Fairfax Murder

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Anonymous wrote:Is someone on here FriendofJoe that posted on Websleuths? What post was pulled by moderators?

I am not but I did see it. It’s basically the same stuff that was posted on Reddit. Websleuths is strict about validating your account so that’s why the likely pulled it. (Friend of Joe did not validate the account).

Is what was posted on Reddit different than what was posted here? If so, link? Or is it a locked Reddit sub now?

I know none of these people, but am a long time DCUM poster and like true crime, so have followed this thread with interest. I agree with everyone who says the time lag here is not normal and so it means the police don’t see this as straightforward self-defense. That said, if this was a consensual cuckhold situation, and the murder wasn’t premeditated, either man could have snapped for whatever reason. If this proves to be premeditated (and I’m sure the police have some idea on this point based on where the weapons came from, etc), then obviously the husband is the more likely suspect. The AP calls x 2 + still being there is *very* weird and anyone not admitting that is kidding themselves. No matter how much you love a family, the average AP doesn’t not stay post a suspicious death/during an ongoing police investigation. This is only a max 2 year gig anyway!

I have a screenshot, here's what it said

"I have known the guy who got shot (Joe Ryan) since he was 8yo. I am not unbiased? But he wouldn't and never has hurt a fly. No
record. Ever. Sweetest kid imaginable.
Here's what I know:
Joe had an unconventional social life. He met this couple recently online, and Joe entered into a "cuckold" relationship with
them. Meaning, they all three agreed he would have sex with the deceased woman.
The wires must have gotten crossed, however. Because on the day Joe was shot and the woman stabbed? Joe arrived at the house,
where he had been before, to have sex with the woman shortly after the man left for work. And the au pair "helpfully" called the
husband to let him know that the wife had a man over. Not sure what she knew. He turned his car around, walked in, and shot
Joe."

This is totally and utterly ridiculous and unbelievable. I don't care if there was a cuckold relationship, but I don't believe for a millisecond that the mother of a little girl, and a woman who seemed to be known for being kind and generous, etc., had her sex partner at her house while her daughter was home, much less the au pair. Nope. No way.

She let him in, he was in fact invited. She wasn't afraid of him because he's not the killer. Stop being ridiculous yourself. You are pulling up old posts to drive down what is really going on. A murder of two innocent people by a husband who know about his wife's relationship outside of the marriage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is someone on here FriendofJoe that posted on Websleuths? What post was pulled by moderators?

I am not but I did see it. It’s basically the same stuff that was posted on Reddit. Websleuths is strict about validating your account so that’s why the likely pulled it. (Friend of Joe did not validate the account).

Is what was posted on Reddit different than what was posted here? If so, link? Or is it a locked Reddit sub now?

I know none of these people, but am a long time DCUM poster and like true crime, so have followed this thread with interest. I agree with everyone who says the time lag here is not normal and so it means the police don’t see this as straightforward self-defense. That said, if this was a consensual cuckhold situation, and the murder wasn’t premeditated, either man could have snapped for whatever reason. If this proves to be premeditated (and I’m sure the police have some idea on this point based on where the weapons came from, etc), then obviously the husband is the more likely suspect. The AP calls x 2 + still being there is *very* weird and anyone not admitting that is kidding themselves. No matter how much you love a family, the average AP doesn’t not stay post a suspicious death/during an ongoing police investigation. This is only a max 2 year gig anyway!

I have a screenshot, here's what it said

"I have known the guy who got shot (Joe Ryan) since he was 8yo. I am not unbiased? But he wouldn't and never has hurt a fly. No
record. Ever. Sweetest kid imaginable.
Here's what I know:
Joe had an unconventional social life. He met this couple recently online, and Joe entered into a "cuckold" relationship with
them. Meaning, they all three agreed he would have sex with the deceased woman.
The wires must have gotten crossed, however. Because on the day Joe was shot and the woman stabbed? Joe arrived at the house,
where he had been before, to have sex with the woman shortly after the man left for work. And the au pair "helpfully" called the
husband to let him know that the wife had a man over. Not sure what she knew. He turned his car around, walked in, and shot
Joe."

This is totally and utterly ridiculous and unbelievable. I don't care if there was a cuckold relationship, but I don't believe for a millisecond that the mother of a little girl, and a woman who seemed to be known for being kind and generous, etc., had her sex partner at her house while her daughter was home, much less the au pair. Nope. No way.

Phone record and cyber records will have the final say. Just because you don’t want to believe it doesn’t make it untrue.

[Anonymous]

I’m guessing the au pair heard something upstairs (sexual), tried to call the husband and he didn’t answer, so called 911. He called back as she was doing that so she hung up with 911. She told him she heard somebody upstairs with the wife. The husband came home and shot him. He may not have recognized him as the man they were online with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is someone on here FriendofJoe that posted on Websleuths? What post was pulled by moderators?

I am not but I did see it. It’s basically the same stuff that was posted on Reddit. Websleuths is strict about validating your account so that’s why the likely pulled it. (Friend of Joe did not validate the account).

Is what was posted on Reddit different than what was posted here? If so, link? Or is it a locked Reddit sub now?

I know none of these people, but am a long time DCUM poster and like true crime, so have followed this thread with interest. I agree with everyone who says the time lag here is not normal and so it means the police don’t see this as straightforward self-defense. That said, if this was a consensual cuckhold situation, and the murder wasn’t premeditated, either man could have snapped for whatever reason. If this proves to be premeditated (and I’m sure the police have some idea on this point based on where the weapons came from, etc), then obviously the husband is the more likely suspect. The AP calls x 2 + still being there is *very* weird and anyone not admitting that is kidding themselves. No matter how much you love a family, the average AP doesn’t not stay post a suspicious death/during an ongoing police investigation. This is only a max 2 year gig anyway!

I have a screenshot, here's what it said

"I have known the guy who got shot (Joe Ryan) since he was 8yo. I am not unbiased? But he wouldn't and never has hurt a fly. No
record. Ever. Sweetest kid imaginable.
Here's what I know:
Joe had an unconventional social life. He met this couple recently online, and Joe entered into a "cuckold" relationship with
them. Meaning, they all three agreed he would have sex with the deceased woman.
The wires must have gotten crossed, however. Because on the day Joe was shot and the woman stabbed? Joe arrived at the house,
where he had been before, to have sex with the woman shortly after the man left for work. And the au pair "helpfully" called the
husband to let him know that the wife had a man over. Not sure what she knew. He turned his car around, walked in, and shot
Joe."

This is totally and utterly ridiculous and unbelievable. I don't care if there was a cuckold relationship, but I don't believe for a millisecond that the mother of a little girl, and a woman who seemed to be known for being kind and generous, etc., had her sex partner at her house while her daughter was home, much less the au pair. Nope. No way.

Phone record and cyber records will have the final say. Just because you don’t want to believe it doesn’t make it untrue.

I don't understand why people in year 2023 don't know that adults have carried sex lives and relationships even if it's not their personal choice. Many people have adult relations and are great people. Time will tell as the case progresses. I believe that JR is not the killer personally. I believe it's the husband. It just makes sense to Me based on what we have learned from the chief about what happened on the day, and what we have learned since then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing the au pair heard something upstairs (sexual), tried to call the husband and he didn’t answer, so called 911. He called back as she was doing that so she hung up with 911. She told him she heard somebody upstairs with the wife. The husband came home and shot him. He may not have recognized him as the man they were online with.

they all knew each other, and the 911 call said he shot Ryan, he knew his name, he announced it. So you have the story totally wrong.

No one calls 911 for sex sounds. "Hello what's your emergency? ... I hear someone having sex upstairs" <----- that doesnt make sense at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing the au pair heard something upstairs (sexual), tried to call the husband and he didn’t answer, so called 911. He called back as she was doing that so she hung up with 911. She told him she heard somebody upstairs with the wife. The husband came home and shot him. He may not have recognized him as the man they were online with.

they all knew each other, and the 911 call said he shot Ryan, he knew his name, he announced it. So you have the story totally wrong.

No one calls 911 for sex sounds. "Hello what's your emergency? ... I hear someone having sex upstairs" <----- that doesnt make sense at all. [/quote
If the au pair didn’t know a man was upstairs with Christine, she would have thought something was wrong. She knew the husband had left for work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is someone on here FriendofJoe that posted on Websleuths? What post was pulled by moderators?

I am not but I did see it. It’s basically the same stuff that was posted on Reddit. Websleuths is strict about validating your account so that’s why the likely pulled it. (Friend of Joe did not validate the account).

Is what was posted on Reddit different than what was posted here? If so, link? Or is it a locked Reddit sub now?

I know none of these people, but am a long time DCUM poster and like true crime, so have followed this thread with interest. I agree with everyone who says the time lag here is not normal and so it means the police don’t see this as straightforward self-defense. That said, if this was a consensual cuckhold situation, and the murder wasn’t premeditated, either man could have snapped for whatever reason. If this proves to be premeditated (and I’m sure the police have some idea on this point based on where the weapons came from, etc), then obviously the husband is the more likely suspect. The AP calls x 2 + still being there is *very* weird and anyone not admitting that is kidding themselves. No matter how much you love a family, the average AP doesn’t not stay post a suspicious death/during an ongoing police investigation. This is only a max 2 year gig anyway!

I have a screenshot, here's what it said

"I have known the guy who got shot (Joe Ryan) since he was 8yo. I am not unbiased? But he wouldn't and never has hurt a fly. No
record. Ever. Sweetest kid imaginable.
Here's what I know:
Joe had an unconventional social life. He met this couple recently online, and Joe entered into a "cuckold" relationship with
them. Meaning, they all three agreed he would have sex with the deceased woman.
The wires must have gotten crossed, however. Because on the day Joe was shot and the woman stabbed? Joe arrived at the house,
where he had been before, to have sex with the woman shortly after the man left for work. And the au pair "helpfully" called the
husband to let him know that the wife had a man over. Not sure what she knew. He turned his car around, walked in, and shot
Joe."

This is totally and utterly ridiculous and unbelievable. I don't care if there was a cuckold relationship, but I don't believe for a millisecond that the mother of a little girl, and a woman who seemed to be known for being kind and generous, etc., had her sex partner at her house while her daughter was home, much less the au pair. Nope. No way.

Phone record and cyber records will have the final say. Just because you don’t want to believe it doesn’t make it untrue.

I don't understand why people in year 2023 don't know that adults have carried sex lives and relationships even if it's not their personal choice. Many people have adult relations and are great people. Time will tell as the case progresses. I believe that JR is not the killer personally. I believe it's the husband. It just makes sense to Me based on what we have learned from the chief about what happened on the day, and what we have learned since then.

Not what I said at all. I realize we have at least one fetishist on here that is desperate for the cuckold scenario to be true, but there is nothing other than that speculation that indicates that was the case. And nothing known about the Banfieds would indicate that Christine Banfield would bring this guy into the house with her daughter and the au pair there. The police and actual evidence can prove me wrong, but I am not betting on it.

[Anonymous]

Per people who say they knew him, Joe was into that type of relationship and he told the Reddit poster he had begun such a rx with the Banfields. And LE said they were all known to one another. So not completely out of thin air. Time will tell @ that and @ DH's rx with AP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing the au pair heard something upstairs (sexual), tried to call the husband and he didn’t answer, so called 911. He called back as she was doing that so she hung up with 911. She told him she heard somebody upstairs with the wife. The husband came home and shot him. He may not have recognized him as the man they were online with.

But then, what? The wife helpfully lay in bed while the husband put his gun down and stabbed her? That doesn’t make sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing the au pair heard something upstairs (sexual), tried to call the husband and he didn’t answer, so called 911. He called back as she was doing that so she hung up with 911. She told him she heard somebody upstairs with the wife. The husband came home and shot him. He may not have recognized him as the man they were online with.

But then, what? The wife helpfully lay in bed while the husband put his gun down and stabbed her? That doesn’t make sense.

There were two adults still alive in the end and two victims dead. I believe Ryan may have had a gun held to him while the wife was stabbed by the husband. It is possible that JR was shot first and then the wife stabbed.

[Anonymous]

I really feel like blaming Ryan by calling into question his life style choices is a way to make him look guilty instead of actually talking about the case and what people know. Not only do they keep tossing the sexual fetish thing up but forgetting we do not know what Christine and her husband were actually into. So far I have heard overwhelmingly that Joe was a nice guy, and that Christine was a kind woman. So far I have not heard anything good about the husband at all or the au pair for that matter.

If the tv show is going to do a show on this there is a reason. Their producers think it's a mystery worth looking at. I hope that we all find out more but I would bet the husband is the killer and that the au pair still living there is involved also.

[Anonymous]

Why would an au pair stay in a house where two people were murdered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would an au pair stay in a house where two people were murdered.

EXACTLY! they would do that because they are romantically linked to the husband who committed the murders, or they helped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Per people who say they knew him, Joe was into that type of relationship and he told the Reddit poster he had begun such a rx with the Banfields. And LE said they were all known to one another. So not completely out of thin air. Time will tell @ that and @ DH's rx with AP.

"Per people who say they knew him" - i.e. - anonymous people on the internet

Joe was into that type of relationship and he told the Reddit poster he had begun such a rx with the Banfields." - again, anonymous people on the internet. "

And LE said they were all known to one another." - which can mean anything from the desperately wished for sexual relationship or he was a handyman or he had dated the au pair or he was a stalker.

"So not completely out of thin air." - Except it kind of is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would an au pair stay in a house where two people were murdered.

This is my only question. My kid would be on the first plane home after that.