Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does it have to be someone’s fault and not just the shooter’s own depravity?
I am a democrat and my boys (20s)are productive members of society. Stop blaming and threatening a political party.This just sadly shows me that I am surrounded by people that do not share my norms or morals. Lynch mob mentality is foreign to me. The only battle cries I hear are the distant drumming of a scary divided nation with the beats getting louder and closer.

+100.
I’m right of center and a fan of Charlie Kirk’s and don’t blame the left or anyone else other than Tyler Robinson himself. There always have and always will be mentally unstable people who commit high profile murders. I don’t understand the need to assign “blame” to any political wing. Even if the left is to “blame” for this, obviously some right wing crazy will do something similar in the future.

I was explaining to a Puerto Rican cab driver how things feel on the mainland in February of 2025. I said things were getting so heated, I didn't see how we could avoid violence. We both hoped I was wrong. I wasn't. This violence is a natural outcome of way overheated rhetoric that is primarily violent online and spills into real life.

I feel like, when I was a kid, there was still some political violence that was a spill-over from the 60s / 70s violence. For example, the Greensboro Massacre by the Klan in 1979. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensboro_massacre

But now it feels like we're entering a new phase of post-Covid political violence fueled by isolation and the fact that some peoples' main lives are online. Both eras were dangerous and led to political violence. We came out of the previous era of political violence because of a consensus that the restoration of good governance was key to the continuance of our democracy. There was a mainstream consensus. Church attendance was higher.

Right now, I just don't see how our current political leadership is capable of leading us towards a better, more civil future.

Eve of Destruction just come on the radio for me and it made me think of this too.

One of the ways we got out of the previous round was through the shared catharsis of Watergate. The way out this time around is Epstein. The exit is staring us right in the face and we're hesitating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did we talk about this?

Charlie Kirk suspect was in romantic relationship with transgender roommate
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

People here are trying to ignore and deflect.

Turns out it was it was as we suspected from the start: radicalized left wing weirdo fueled by his hatred of Charlie’s views.

Yep. So all the left can do now is plug their ears and yell "lalalalalalalalalalal"

They are caught. Got 'em. A lefty queer did it. Like we all knew all along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we talk about this?

Charlie Kirk suspect was in romantic relationship with transgender roommate
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

People here are trying to ignore and deflect.

Turns out it was it was as we suspected from the start: radicalized left wing weirdo fueled by his hatred of Charlie’s views.

Okay, please tell us what "radicalized left wing" means to you. Because if you google search "leftist ideology" Here is what AI gives you. I doubt you'll read any of it but I would ask you: where in there do you see anything in the core principles or various factions about a culture of assassinating your enemies? Admit it, you don't know. Your use of "leftist" is too broad, to undefined, to be seen as a complete over-generalization to a huge group of people 99.9% of whom don't support cold-blooded murder. If it is true he killed Charlie Kirk over his views against trans people, that's a personal thing, not a leftist thing.


Leftist ideology, also known as left-wing politics, broadly encompasses a range of political and social movements that advocate for egalitarianism and social justice. The specific ideas within this umbrella vary greatly, from center-left approaches like social democracy to more radical movements like communism and anarchism.

Core principles
Despite its diversity, leftist ideology is generally defined by several key principles:
Egalitarianism: Promoting human flourishing through cooperation and mutual respect, which requires the elimination of excessive differences in wealth, power, and status.
Social welfare: Regarding social welfare as a primary goal of government and society.
Hostility to traditional elites: Opposition to the power of traditional elites, such as the wealthy and aristocracy.
Support for the working class: Favoring the interests of the working class (or proletariat).

Key historical origin
The terms "left" and "right" originated during the French Revolution of the late 18th century, referring to the seating arrangements in the National Assembly.
Those who sat on the left side of the assembly were generally opposed to the traditional monarchy and aristocracy. They supported the revolution, a democratic republic, and secularism.
Those on the right side supported the traditional institutions of the old order, known as the Ancien Régime.

Major ideological variations
Social democracy
This center-left ideology supports the regulation and modification of capitalist economies to protect social equality, rather than seeking their total abolition.
Advocacy: Policies like a strong welfare state, extensive universal services, progressive taxation, and strong labor rights.
Economics: Favors a mixed economy within a democratic capitalist system and uses government intervention and Keynesian economics.
Social liberalism
As a form of center-left liberalism, this ideology supports capitalism but advocates for regulations to reduce wealth inequality. It holds that individual freedom can be threatened by large private actors and that the government should take action to help individuals realize their full potential.

Progressivism
Progressivism advocates for continuous, gradual social reform to improve society. It is typically associated with social liberalism and social democracy.
Key theme: Redistributive policies aimed at improving societal well-being.
Modern progressivism: In the U.S., it can include policies such as greater wealth redistribution, a higher minimum wage, universal healthcare, and environmental justice.

Democratic socialism
Often considered more radical than social democracy, this ideology seeks to replace capitalism with socialism through democratic and electoral means, rather than a revolution.

Communism
A more radical leftist ideology, it is based on the theories of thinkers like Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Communism aims for a classless, moneyless, and stateless society where the major institutions of economic life are controlled by the community or state.

Anarchism
This far-left ideology rejects all forms of involuntary hierarchy and is against state control. Anarchists advocate for a decentralized, classless, and stateless society, where organizing structures are based on mutual cooperation.

Green politics
Emerging in the 1970s, this ideological movement emphasizes environmentalism, social justice, nonviolence, and decentralized governance. It can be viewed as an evolution of New Left or left-libertarian ideas.

Left-wing populism
Becoming more influential since the 2010s, this movement frames politics as a conflict between the common people and an elite. It advocates for policies such as democratic socialism and social democracy.

The complexity of the political spectrum
It is important to note that a single left-right spectrum is often considered an oversimplification. Many political scientists use a two-axis model that considers both economic issues (left-right) and socio-cultural issues (authority-liberty) to provide a more nuanced understanding of different political beliefs. Furthermore, what is considered "left" can change over time and vary significantly across different countries

It’s pretty sad you’re trying to hard to deflect away from his trans partner and his leftist ideology.

It's pretty sad you cannot define what you mean by leftist ideology. You might as well admit you just want to hate all liberals/Democrats and be done with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we talk about this?

Charlie Kirk suspect was in romantic relationship with transgender roommate
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

People here are trying to ignore and deflect.

Turns out it was it was as we suspected from the start: radicalized left wing weirdo fueled by his hatred of Charlie’s views.

Okay, please tell us what "radicalized left wing" means to you. Because if you google search "leftist ideology" Here is what AI gives you. I doubt you'll read any of it but I would ask you: where in there do you see anything in the core principles or various factions about a culture of assassinating your enemies? Admit it, you don't know. Your use of "leftist" is too broad, to undefined, to be seen as a complete over-generalization to a huge group of people 99.9% of whom don't support cold-blooded murder. If it is true he killed Charlie Kirk over his views against trans people, that's a personal thing, not a leftist thing.


Leftist ideology, also known as left-wing politics, broadly encompasses a range of political and social movements that advocate for egalitarianism and social justice. The specific ideas within this umbrella vary greatly, from center-left approaches like social democracy to more radical movements like communism and anarchism.

Core principles
Despite its diversity, leftist ideology is generally defined by several key principles:
Egalitarianism: Promoting human flourishing through cooperation and mutual respect, which requires the elimination of excessive differences in wealth, power, and status.
Social welfare: Regarding social welfare as a primary goal of government and society.
Hostility to traditional elites: Opposition to the power of traditional elites, such as the wealthy and aristocracy.
Support for the working class: Favoring the interests of the working class (or proletariat).

Key historical origin
The terms "left" and "right" originated during the French Revolution of the late 18th century, referring to the seating arrangements in the National Assembly.
Those who sat on the left side of the assembly were generally opposed to the traditional monarchy and aristocracy. They supported the revolution, a democratic republic, and secularism.
Those on the right side supported the traditional institutions of the old order, known as the Ancien Régime.

Major ideological variations
Social democracy
This center-left ideology supports the regulation and modification of capitalist economies to protect social equality, rather than seeking their total abolition.
Advocacy: Policies like a strong welfare state, extensive universal services, progressive taxation, and strong labor rights.
Economics: Favors a mixed economy within a democratic capitalist system and uses government intervention and Keynesian economics.
Social liberalism
As a form of center-left liberalism, this ideology supports capitalism but advocates for regulations to reduce wealth inequality. It holds that individual freedom can be threatened by large private actors and that the government should take action to help individuals realize their full potential.

Progressivism
Progressivism advocates for continuous, gradual social reform to improve society. It is typically associated with social liberalism and social democracy.
Key theme: Redistributive policies aimed at improving societal well-being.
Modern progressivism: In the U.S., it can include policies such as greater wealth redistribution, a higher minimum wage, universal healthcare, and environmental justice.

Democratic socialism
Often considered more radical than social democracy, this ideology seeks to replace capitalism with socialism through democratic and electoral means, rather than a revolution.

Communism
A more radical leftist ideology, it is based on the theories of thinkers like Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Communism aims for a classless, moneyless, and stateless society where the major institutions of economic life are controlled by the community or state.

Anarchism
This far-left ideology rejects all forms of involuntary hierarchy and is against state control. Anarchists advocate for a decentralized, classless, and stateless society, where organizing structures are based on mutual cooperation.

Green politics
Emerging in the 1970s, this ideological movement emphasizes environmentalism, social justice, nonviolence, and decentralized governance. It can be viewed as an evolution of New Left or left-libertarian ideas.

Left-wing populism
Becoming more influential since the 2010s, this movement frames politics as a conflict between the common people and an elite. It advocates for policies such as democratic socialism and social democracy.

The complexity of the political spectrum
It is important to note that a single left-right spectrum is often considered an oversimplification. Many political scientists use a two-axis model that considers both economic issues (left-right) and socio-cultural issues (authority-liberty) to provide a more nuanced understanding of different political beliefs. Furthermore, what is considered "left" can change over time and vary significantly across different countries

It’s pretty sad you’re trying to hard to deflect away from his trans partner and his leftist ideology.

Yeah, why must people complicate things with learning and education? Why can’t they just come up with simple smooth brain answers like the MAGAs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So now, it is known that the shooter was:
1. A Leftist
2. Gay

How long will the left continue to deny their role here?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/us/kirk-shooting-suspect-ideology-partner.html

The left doesn’t own this person. What about his MAGA parents?

Try again. The left wanted Kirk dead. MAGA didn't.

Please cite real, verifiable sources for this. There certainly is plenty of evidence the far alt-right were after him. Where are the death threats from the "left"? Exactly WHO do you mean by "the left". Where did "they" call for his death, versus vehemently disagreeing with him.

This is a huge accusation you are making. What is your specific and verifiable proof?

Try and keep up, again. Every major news outlet has tons of articles about legiobn of Dems being fired for celebrating his murder.

You have not answered the question. Who are these "leftists" that called for his death. Where do you see this. If you cannot produce an example, you are talking out your ass.

Also, this idea of "celebrating" is being over used. There were not legions of people celebrating. There may be quite a few that don't care that he is dead or won't mourn him or posted his own words. That's not celebrating. Not to mention, simple searches can show you people on the right doing the exact same thing for political violence against Democrats or liberals. A GOP SENATOR had inappropriate posts after the deaths of the Minnesota politicians. Did you condemn him so vehemently? Kirk himself made inappropriate comments after the attack on Paul Pelosi. Were you appalled then?

So you RWNJ with your pious cries of foul play have no leg to stand on. You tolerate lies and mocking and worse by RWNJs against libs and Dems All the Time but suddenly you are so appalled by people who don't fall into tears and wailing when Charlie Kirk dies.

Hypocrisy writ large.

Sure, deny what is in front of the entire countty. No one is doing your homework for you. No one will stop you from shining a light on your moronic ignorance either. Continue to pop off with lies while we all laught at you. Maybe your boss will even fire you. You never know...

Unless you shine the light on the RWNJs as well and you call for the exact same repercussions for every RW politician or person who posted similar things about violence against liberals and democrats, of which there are far MORE examples, you can sit down and shut up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we talk about this?

Charlie Kirk suspect was in romantic relationship with transgender roommate
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

People here are trying to ignore and deflect.

Turns out it was it was as we suspected from the start: radicalized left wing weirdo fueled by his hatred of Charlie’s views.

This.

Oh, I bet that we are going to find out so much more about the shooter, the roommate, Turning Point, Fuentes, so many things and people will be introduced into evidence.

And I bet he’ll plead guilty and we’ll get none of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we talk about this?

Charlie Kirk suspect was in romantic relationship with transgender roommate
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

People here are trying to ignore and deflect.

Turns out it was it was as we suspected from the start: radicalized left wing weirdo fueled by his hatred of Charlie’s views.

Hate begets hate.

Yes, the hate of the RWNJs has many casualties.

The right wing have been spewing hateful messages since Trump made it ok to do that. Hate begets hate.

Also, you conveniently ignore actual politicians who are Dems who have been murdered/attacked in the past few years.

And let's not forget Comet Ping Pong. That wasn't lefties who shot up the pizza place.

Words are powerful. If you spew hateful message, you will get hate in return. And Trump is doing nothing to unite the country. He's even more divisive in his second term.

-signed an Independent

I am not going to get into a tit-for-tat with you. I could name plenty of incendiary remarks and actions on the part of the left that has caused death and destruction (have we forgotten about the baseball shooting or the attempted assassinations of Kavanaugh/Lee Zeldin/Trump?).

When people are constantly - and i mean CONSTANTLY - referred to as fascist, nazis, and the like - it signals to unhinged idiots that these people need to be taken out by any means necessary. Why wouldn't you want to kill a Nazi?

And, one more thing.... signing yourself as an "Independent" means nothing. Nothing at all.

If the Marschstiefel fits…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that the shooter probably had NO political motive. The media and the public are desperate to pin this on a political motive. That makes it easier for our brains to compartmentalize and explain the act. No one wants to think about the possibility that the shooter simply did it for fun or as a way to "troll" the country because they get enjoyment out of simply pouring gas on a fire.

Surprisingly enough, most mass shooters in US history do not have political motivations. They are simply disturbed men with broken psyche. This kid spent wayyyyyyy too much time on the internet and playing video games. He spent way too much time on tiktok and 4chan. Just utter brainrot from the internet.

But no one wants to admit this, because it implies our culture has gone down the tubes. It also implies it there is threat out there we can't so easily conteol be because it is politically agnostic. It could be anyone in the future that isn't so easily groupable because it wasn't politically motivated. That's a far scarier thought, because how many young Americans are out there now with brain rot due to too many video games or too many tiktok videos?

This. Someone up thread remarked that the Isle Vista shooter started the incel movement. It’s total misunderstanding of who that kid was. He wasn’t an “incel”. He desperately wanted to have a relationship, but he was socially awkward. His parents did everything they could. There were signs, but they were subtle and he needed many more services. Just like this kid and the Colorado shooter, and so on, and so on,…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we talk about this?

Charlie Kirk suspect was in romantic relationship with transgender roommate
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

People here are trying to ignore and deflect.

Turns out it was it was as we suspected from the start: radicalized left wing weirdo fueled by his hatred of Charlie’s views.

Yep. So all the left can do now is plug their ears and yell "lalalalalalalalalalal"

They are caught. Got 'em. A lefty queer did it. Like we all knew all along.

I’ve said all along- who cares. RWNJ, LWNJ. Focus on the nut job portion and stop it with selective outrage. Either all gun deaths are horrible to you or none are. The popularity of the victim means nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we talk about this?

Charlie Kirk suspect was in romantic relationship with transgender roommate
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

People here are trying to ignore and deflect.

Turns out it was it was as we suspected from the start: radicalized left wing weirdo fueled by his hatred of Charlie’s views.

Yep. So all the left can do now is plug their ears and yell "lalalalalalalalalalal"

They are caught. Got 'em. A lefty queer did it. Like we all knew all along.

We should report this one to make sure that they don’t have children at home and to make sure they they don’t work with children. I’m sure that CPS would be interested in someone so unstable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we talk about this?

Charlie Kirk suspect was in romantic relationship with transgender roommate
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

People here are trying to ignore and deflect.

Turns out it was it was as we suspected from the start: radicalized left wing weirdo fueled by his hatred of Charlie’s views.

This.

Oh, I bet that we are going to find out so much more about the shooter, the roommate, Turning Point, Fuentes, so many things and people will be introduced into evidence.

Apparently a pastor friend said Charlie Kirk saw him a couple months ago and asked him to pray for him. He told him
“ I think they’re going to try to kill me”. Sadly, he was right.

I know many conservatives get death threats but it’s sad he felt that and he was right.

“They’re” is doing some heavy lifting.

[Anonymous]

I'd find it a lot easier to believe Robinson was in a relationship with his roommate if, rather than just taking their neighbor at his word, they could produce as evidence a birthday note Robinson had written to his roommate, outlined by a naked woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we talk about this?

Charlie Kirk suspect was in romantic relationship with transgender roommate
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

People here are trying to ignore and deflect.

Turns out it was it was as we suspected from the start: radicalized left wing weirdo fueled by his hatred of Charlie’s views.

Hate begets hate.

Yes, the hate of the RWNJs has many casualties.

The right wing have been spewing hateful messages since Trump made it ok to do that. Hate begets hate.

Also, you conveniently ignore actual politicians who are Dems who have been murdered/attacked in the past few years.

And let's not forget Comet Ping Pong. That wasn't lefties who shot up the pizza place.

Words are powerful. If you spew hateful message, you will get hate in return. And Trump is doing nothing to unite the country. He's even more divisive in his second term.

-signed an Independent

I am not going to get into a tit-for-tat with you. I could name plenty of incendiary remarks and actions on the part of the left that has caused death and destruction (have we forgotten about the baseball shooting or the attempted assassinations of Kavanaugh/Lee Zeldin/Trump?).

When people are constantly - and i mean CONSTANTLY - referred to as fascist, nazis, and the like - it signals to unhinged idiots that these people need to be taken out by any means necessary. Why wouldn't you want to kill a Nazi?

And, one more thing.... signing yourself as an "Independent" means nothing. Nothing at all.

1) who on the left, what public officials? Name them.
2) If you don't think what is happening right now with Trump and this administration isn't Christian Nationalist fascism, I don't know what to tell you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we talk about this?

Charlie Kirk suspect was in romantic relationship with transgender roommate
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

People here are trying to ignore and deflect.

Turns out it was it was as we suspected from the start: radicalized left wing weirdo fueled by his hatred of Charlie’s views.

This.

Oh, I bet that we are going to find out so much more about the shooter, the roommate, Turning Point, Fuentes, so many things and people will be introduced into evidence.

And I bet he’ll plead guilty and we’ll get none of that.

Maybe, but maybe we will still find out fun stuff about all of the parties anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does it have to be someone’s fault and not just the shooter’s own depravity?
I am a democrat and my boys (20s)are productive members of society. Stop blaming and threatening a political party.This just sadly shows me that I am surrounded by people that do not share my norms or morals. Lynch mob mentality is foreign to me. The only battle cries I hear are the distant drumming of a scary divided nation with the beats getting louder and closer.

+100.
I’m right of center and a fan of Charlie Kirk’s and don’t blame the left or anyone else other than Tyler Robinson himself. There always have and always will be mentally unstable people who commit high profile murders. I don’t understand the need to assign “blame” to any political wing. Even if the left is to “blame” for this, obviously some right wing crazy will do something similar in the future.

Because only one political wing labeled him a Fascist.

Kirk was anti-trans and was very vocal about it. Hate begets hate. I don't believe people should be murdered for their political views, but in this country, where so many have easy access to guns, I would definitely not say anything publicly that could trigger people, pardon the pun.

Also, if Kirk and MAGA are so supportive of free speech, why do they want to dox people for voicing their opinions about Kirk?

Charlie Kirk didn’t believe in trans but he was not mean towards them. He didn’t hate them.

The left started it with cancel culture. You can’t be angry now that it’s turning back onto your side.

He was literally hating on them when he was shot.