Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t care who he was in a relationship with. It doesn’t matter. His mom and dad armed him, taught him to shoot, and this is the outcome.

Yes they did. And they also have two younger boys. It’s time to enact a parent/guardian gun law. If you indoctrinate your kids, or anyone in your care, your guns are confiscated and you will stand trial. The outcome will determine imprisonment.

He's an adult now, though. How long would the parents' responsibility last?

On DCum it's at least into the kid turns 60

Lol

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Anonymous wrote:I have zero hope or expectation that stricter gun laws will ever happen in this country at this point.

Well, they might, but only when we have a total authoritarian takeover and that would be to protect the authoritarian from the people.

We can’t even get rid of archaic Birthright Citizenship, how would we get rid of Right to Bear Arms?

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I came on here the other day as a Dem to praise Governor Cox for his calls for unity AND I RETRACT THEM.

Governor Cox is no unifier. Sadly his words the other day were empty given his gross press tour this weekend and the gasoline he just poured on the situation.

The WSJ reported that Trump called him immediately after the speech to tell him it was trash. Now, the governor says the shooter was "deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology," with no proof. He said the shooter isn't cooperative, and so he has to "draw conclusions."

It's sad but now my fury at MAGA is back. They're the violent ones and nobody is willing to stand up and tell the truth. Trump came out today and said when someone asked him how he might unify the country, "I don't care to."

As an American I'm disgusted, that no GOP will call out this dangerous rhetoric.

It’s been proven he was a leftists with a trans lover and he hated Charlie Kirk.

Can you point to what evidence proves that? And not just some claim from a Governor who said the shooter "isn't cooperative."

Why would the governor lie. The roommate is cooperating.

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I came on here the other day as a Dem to praise Governor Cox for his calls for unity AND I RETRACT THEM.

Governor Cox is no unifier. Sadly his words the other day were empty given his gross press tour this weekend and the gasoline he just poured on the situation.

The WSJ reported that Trump called him immediately after the speech to tell him it was trash. Now, the governor says the shooter was "deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology," with no proof. He said the shooter isn't cooperative, and so he has to "draw conclusions."

It's sad but now my fury at MAGA is back. They're the violent ones and nobody is willing to stand up and tell the truth. Trump came out today and said when someone asked him how he might unify the country, "I don't care to."

As an American I'm disgusted, that no GOP will call out this dangerous rhetoric.

Umm, so you suddenly don't like him because he communicated some of the results of the ongoing investigation? Is it because those results go against your belief of the world?

DP. The state of political discourse these days is that virtually everything to come out of GOP politicians mouths is 100% propaganda, spin, lies and distortions. That's not communication - it's deception. I won't believe a word of it until I see actual evidence of all of this for myself. And frankly your insistences to us mean nothing. You've set the stage for our skepticism with your entire MAGA movement with your pathological liar leader Donald J. Trump. We just don't believe you anymore. You've lied to us far too many times. Own it, and start doing better. Hold your leaders accountable when they tell lies, like we've tried to do.

Amen. The GOP and their followers lost any credibility a long time ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Oops, sorry accidentally hit send...

I came on here the other day as a Dem to praise Governor Cox for his calls for unity AND I RETRACT THEM.

Governor Cox is no unifier. Sadly his words the other day were empty given his gross press tour this weekend and the gasoline he just poured on the situation.

The WSJ reported that Trump called him immediately after the speech to tell him it was trash. Now, the governor says the shooter was "deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology," with no proof. He said the shooter isn't cooperative, and so he has to "draw conclusions."

It's sad but now my fury at MAGA is back. They're the violent ones and nobody is willing to stand up and tell the truth. Trump came out today and said when someone asked him how he might unify the country, "I don't care to."

As an American I'm disgusted, that no GOP will call out this dangerous rhetoric.

You’re the expert no doubt!

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Anonymous wrote:Oops, sorry accidentally hit send...

I came on here the other day as a Dem to praise Governor Cox for his calls for unity AND I RETRACT THEM.

Governor Cox is no unifier. Sadly his words the other day were empty given his gross press tour this weekend and the gasoline he just poured on the situation.

The WSJ reported that Trump called him immediately after the speech to tell him it was trash. Now, the governor says the shooter was "deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology," with no proof. He said the shooter isn't cooperative, and so he has to "draw conclusions."

It's sad but now my fury at MAGA is back. They're the violent ones and nobody is willing to stand up and tell the truth. Trump came out today and said when someone asked him how he might unify the country, "I don't care to."

As an American I'm disgusted, that no GOP will call out this dangerous rhetoric.

It’s been proven he was a leftists with a trans lover and he hated Charlie Kirk.

Can you point to what evidence proves that? And not just some claim from a Governor who said the shooter "isn't cooperative."

DP. It has been "reported" with enough details that it appears to be true. Certainly, more true than the reports that he was right of MAGA.

The governor said that more details will be released on Tuesday. I think that is when he is charged or indicted or whatever the correct term is

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We are also going to find out shortly how much trans porn MAGA consumes. I just saw some data analytics, but not a postable link yet.

MAGA.
Trans porn.
Religious right.
Pedo.

It’s all coming to a head!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not even going to attempt to read this thread, but I wanted to drop in to say that Charlie Kirk's assassination is/was deeply affecting to me. Seeing the video (somewhat inadvertently) was like a punch a gut. I've always been registered as a democrat but I changed my registration to republican yesterday. I know you all are going to say I'm a troll, but I can no longer stomach the political program infecting the democratic party from the left. Democrats are lost in the woods, either operating under total cognitive dissonance, or employing a murderous hate-filled practice of politics that I want no part of. My eyes were first opened to this hate-filled politics when seeing the rising levels of acceptable antisemitism and the treatment of American Jews on college campuses (already on Oct 8 = those jews had what was coming, they deserved to be slaughtered and raped), but Kirk's assassination is the final straw. He did not deserve this, no one does. Words are not violence, they do not permit violence in response. I did not agree with much of his politics, but I was thankful that SOMEONE still believed in the value of debate in the public square, and he was teaching that to the next generations.

Sure you did…

Why would you leave a party whose leaders ALL condemned the shooting and called for peace, and join a party whose leaders are calling for escalation and more political violence?

Please explain.

More cognitive dissonance. It's convenient to select for "leaders" and ignore the electorate. Maybe you're not seeing the many celebrations on social media from leftists.

Plenty of republican leaders are calling for calm and peace. Governor Cox has been very impressive.

Plenty of GOP leaders are calling for retribution and more violence, including the POTUS. No Dems are calling for violence and never have.

Stop lying.

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Anonymous wrote:Oops, sorry accidentally hit send...

I came on here the other day as a Dem to praise Governor Cox for his calls for unity AND I RETRACT THEM.

Governor Cox is no unifier. Sadly his words the other day were empty given his gross press tour this weekend and the gasoline he just poured on the situation.

The WSJ reported that Trump called him immediately after the speech to tell him it was trash. Now, the governor says the shooter was "deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology," with no proof. He said the shooter isn't cooperative, and so he has to "draw conclusions."

It's sad but now my fury at MAGA is back. They're the violent ones and nobody is willing to stand up and tell the truth. Trump came out today and said when someone asked him how he might unify the country, "I don't care to."

As an American I'm disgusted, that no GOP will call out this dangerous rhetoric.

Umm, so you suddenly don't like him because he communicated some of the results of the ongoing investigation? Is it because those results go against your belief of the world?

It has nothing to do with like/unlike--that's so childish. I retracted my praise for him being a unifier. You can't call for unity one day and start flame throwing the next.

I'm not at all guilty for Charlie Kirk's murder because I'm a Dem, yet Cox changed his tune after Trump called. I find it sad that MAGA is using Charlie as a pawn, but maybe he would have wanted that. His "civil discourse" is being used to stoke outrage, division, and hatred. Knowing this information doesn't bring him back.

Funny, Cox didn't mention this family's extreme gun obsession and how Trump made it easier in his first term for people who have mental health challenges to buy a gun. That's what killed Kirk. But, nobody's calling him out and his....again, dangerous rhetoric.

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These are proper responses to this from civilized and responsible leaders. If we have any hope of reconciling our differences and stopping the downfall of this country, we have to take them seriously and act and speak in good faith.

George W. Bush:

“Today, a young man was murdered in cold blood while expressing his political views. It happened on a college campus, where the open exchange of opposing ideas should be sacrosanct. Violence and vitriol must be purged from the public square. Members of other political parties are not our enemies; they are our fellow citizens. May God bless Charlie Kirk and his family, and may God guide America toward civility.”

Barack Obama:

We don’t yet know what motivated the person who shot and killed Charlie Kirk, but this kind of despicable violence has no place in our democracy. Michelle and I will be praying for Charlie’s family tonight, especially his wife Erika and their two young children.

Bernie Sanders:

I want to say a few words regarding the terrible murder yesterday of Charlie Kirk — someone whom I strongly disagreed with on almost every issue but who was clearly a very smart and effective communicator and organizer — and someone unafraid to get out into the world and engage the public. My condolences go out to his wife and family.

A free and democratic society, which is what America is supposed to be about, depends upon the basic premise that people can speak out, organize and take part in public life without fear — without worrying that they might be killed, injured or humiliated for expressing their political views. In fact, that is the essence of what freedom is about and what democracy is about. You have a point of view, that’s great. I have a point of view that is different than yours, that’s great. Let’s argue it out. We make our case to the American people at the local, state and federal level, and we hold free elections in which the people decide what they want. That’s called freedom and democracy. And I want as many people as possible to participate in that process without fear.

Freedom and democracy is not about political violence. It is not about assassinating public officials. It is not about trying to intimidate people who speak out on an issue. Political violence, in fact, is political cowardice. It means that you cannot convince people of the correctness of your ideas, and you have to impose them through force. Every American, no matter what one’s political point of view may be, must condemn all forms of political violence and all forms of intimidation. We must welcome and respect dissenting points of view. That’s what our Constitution is about. That’s what our Bill of Rights is about. That, in fact, is what freedom is about.

The murder of Charlie Kirk is part of a disturbing rise in political violence that threatens to hollow out public life and make people afraid of participating. From the January 6, 2021, attack on the United States Capitol, to the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, to the attack on Paul Pelosi, to the attempted kidnapping of Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, to the murder of Minnesota Speaker of the House Melissa Hortman and her husband, to the arson attack on Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, to the shooting of UnitedHealth executive Brian Thompson and the shooting several years ago of Rep. Steve Scalise, this chilling rise in violence has targeted public figures across the political spectrum.

Sadly, this is not a new phenomenon. We all remember the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Senator Robert F. Kennedy, John Lennon, Medgar Evers and the attempted assassinations of President Ronald Reagan and Alabama Governor George Wallace.

This is a difficult and contentious moment in American history. Democracy in our country and throughout the world is under attack. And there are a lot of reasons for that, which need serious discussion. But, bottom line: If we honestly believe in democracy, if we believe in freedom, all of us must be loud and clear. Political violence, regardless of ideology, is not the answer and must be condemned.

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Anonymous wrote:We are also going to find out shortly how much trans porn MAGA consumes. I just saw some data analytics, but not a postable link yet.

MAGA.
Trans porn.
Religious right.
Pedo.

It’s all coming to a head!

He’s not maga. I’m sorry you are so disappointed

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Anonymous wrote:Why does it have to be someone’s fault and not just the shooter’s own depravity?
I am a democrat and my boys (20s)are productive members of society. Stop blaming and threatening a political party.This just sadly shows me that I am surrounded by people that do not share my norms or morals. Lynch mob mentality is foreign to me. The only battle cries I hear are the distant drumming of a scary divided nation with the beats getting louder and closer.

+100.
I’m right of center and a fan of Charlie Kirk’s and don’t blame the left or anyone else other than Tyler Robinson himself. There always have and always will be mentally unstable people who commit high profile murders. I don’t understand the need to assign “blame” to any political wing. Even if the left is to “blame” for this, obviously some right wing crazy will do something similar in the future.

Because only one political wing labeled him a Fascist.

Kirk was anti-trans and was very vocal about it. Hate begets hate. I don't believe people should be murdered for their political views, but in this country, where so many have easy access to guns, I would definitely not say anything publicly that could trigger people, pardon the pun.

Also, if Kirk and MAGA are so supportive of free speech, why do they want to dox people for voicing their opinions about Kirk?

Charlie Kirk didn’t believe in trans but he was not mean towards them. He didn’t hate them.

The left started it with cancel culture. You can’t be angry now that it’s turning back onto your side.

He was literally hating on them when he was shot.

He was speaking facts. We have had multiple trans and non-binary mass shooters.

And they amount to .0001% of the total mass shooters, the overwhelmimg majority of whom are white males between the ages of 15 and 25. Why was Kirk so focused on trans people? It's like a fetish with the right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are also going to find out shortly how much trans porn MAGA consumes. I just saw some data analytics, but not a postable link yet.

MAGA.
Trans porn.
Religious right.
Pedo.

It’s all coming to a head!

You can keep pretending that the gay shooter with a transitioning boyfriend that assassinated the most influential conservative personality among young people is somehow MAGA, but you look dumber every minute.

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I've been asking this every 100 pages or so of this thread. Why have there been no medical statements from doctors, or medical examiners? It is very odd to have absolutely nothing on this. It's almost like it was staged or something.

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Anonymous wrote:Did we talk about this?

Charlie Kirk suspect was in romantic relationship with transgender roommate
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

People here are trying to ignore and deflect.

Turns out it was it was as we suspected from the start: radicalized left wing weirdo fueled by his hatred of Charlie’s views.

Hate begets hate.

Yes, the hate of the RWNJs has many casualties.

The right wing have been spewing hateful messages since Trump made it ok to do that. Hate begets hate.

Also, you conveniently ignore actual politicians who are Dems who have been murdered/attacked in the past few years.

And let's not forget Comet Ping Pong. That wasn't lefties who shot up the pizza place.

Words are powerful. If you spew hateful message, you will get hate in return. And Trump is doing nothing to unite the country. He's even more divisive in his second term.

-signed an Independent

I am not going to get into a tit-for-tat with you. I could name plenty of incendiary remarks and actions on the part of the left that has caused death and destruction (have we forgotten about the baseball shooting or the attempted assassinations of Kavanaugh/Lee Zeldin/Trump?).

When people are constantly - and i mean CONSTANTLY - referred to as fascist, nazis, and the like - it signals to unhinged idiots that these people need to be taken out by any means necessary. Why wouldn't you want to kill a Nazi?

And, one more thing.... signing yourself as an "Independent" means nothing. Nothing at all.

That you would post this when your POTUS says more direct threats every single day is telling. You are lost.

In the world where I live, calling someone a fascist is not an invitation to murder, it is a description related to their words and behavior. What kind of sicko are you that you think a certain label means someone should be killed?

You are the dangerous one.

Oh, please. You don't even know me. Quit throwing out insults to anonymous people. In other words, grow up.
And, as for your labeling people with insulting and defamatory labels........
(It is not a coincidence that the killer had "fascist" inscribed on the balistics)

What extremists do — and the modern left has mastered this craft — is dehumanization.

They strip their opponents of humanity, redefine them as monsters, and then killing or silencing them becomes "acceptable." This is not new. It is an ancient technique.

They call us “Naz*s,” “fascists,” “threats to democracy.” They say we want to “disappear” people or “take away rights.” The rhetoric is so grotesque that to a warped mind, or to a young and impressionable mind, we no longer appear as fellow citizens — we become villains to be destroyed.

History is full of examples:

Nazi Germany: Jews were called “rats” and “vermin” in propaganda films and newspapers. Once a people is seen as a disease, extermination feels like “cleansing.”

Rwanda (1994): Tutsis were labeled “cockroaches” by Hutu extremists on the radio. That word helped unleash a genocide that killed 800,000 in 100 days.

Stalin’s USSR: Political dissidents were called “enemies.” Once branded, they could be imprisoned, starved, or shot — and many neighbors even helped.

American slavery and segregation: Slaveholders and later groups like the KKK portrayed black Americans as subhuman. That lie justified both slavery and lynching.

Even militaries do it — soldiers are trained to see the enemy as “targets,” not fathers, mothers, or children. It is how humans overcome the natural revulsion to killing.

And notice: it is always the young they go after. Minds not fully formed. High schools, universities, and pop culture are the battleground. Because if you can plant the seed early, if you can normalize seeing political opponents as monsters, the next step becomes easy.

That is why indoctrination always begins young. The left understands the strategy. We must understand it too.

The MAGA projection just never ends. Wake up, this is YOU guys. The right deploys this strategy, not the left.

Your whole post is describing exactly what the American GOP and their RWNJs do to immigrants, trans and gay people, and POC every day. And now they are doing it to "the left". The POTUS is issuing sweeping generalizations to get all on "the left". Vengeance against people only because they disagree with him. Nancy Mace blamed this killing on Democrats, no qualifier. They are spreading lies and hatred to get idiots like you to turn on your neighbors if they disagree with you.

No Democrats called for his murder. None. Zero. There is no leftist conspiracy just like there was no deep state after Trump. Trump and MAGA support authoritarianism. They deserve the label. It is accurate. And, again, if you think that label to accurately describe their beliefs and behavior is a call for killing, that is YOUR deluded thinking and your PATHOLOGY.

Trump conjures these demons to fool gullible ignorant fools like you and the MAGA faithful and excuse his deplorable calls for violence and retribution against his made up enemies. It's authoritarian. It's wrong.

MAGA and Trump are the danger here. Wake up. (you wont. you're gone.)