Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

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Anonymous wrote:It is not realistic for Wootton cluster to think that they should have no changes to their boundaries. It's one of the closest schools to Crown. It's Wootton, Gaithersburg, and QO that should have the biggest changes.

Then why isn’t RM changing any all? They’re overcrowded and also part of reason to build crown. Wootton is never over capacity but has to change because of DEI goals

QO, GHS and Wootton are also overcrowded and closer to Crown - its just logical that Crown should be filled with communities zoned to these schools.

You’re wrong. QO and RM are overcrowded. Wootton has been undercapacity for many years.

Then MCPS should move out some of the areas serving Wootton but are actually physically closer to Crown, to Crown, and pull in from RM or other areas to Wootton. Wootton should just get different neighborhoods zoned to it then.

I also think that Falls Grove needs to go to Crown and also the houses along Muddy Branch/Diamondback

Not disagreeing with you but none of the options reflect that. None of the options even touch RM which is still overcrowded

If MCPS was smart they would pull in neighborhoods zoned to RM to Wootton and improve the diversity in that school too.

Crown could also actually be a decent and diverse school if they pull in equally from Gaithersburg, QO and Wootton. Pulling in only from Gaithersburg and QO will not do much for Crown.

Agree with all of this.

I agree with this is a good suggestion, but I doubt that MCPS could go down this route. I recall someone says that MCPS could ONLY pick from option A to H with a small twist or change. There is a news that the 2027 budget restraint only allow to let MCPS running. I doubt that they have money to fund a new Crown HS expenses (teachers, staff, utilities and etc).

off topic, but begs the question: does MCPS even have enough funding for the new region models?

I'm also perplexed about RM in the new options. The boundary doesn't change but miraculously it becomes under capacity.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that there is 43!pages of Wootton complaining about getting a new HS along with other outside complaining about the same should tell the superintendent all he needs to know. These people are unserious and clearly not in need of a new facility. Start with Damascus and Magruder as the CIP proposes, move the boundaries to fill the school. If that means Wootton is now split, then so be it.

Why is the only serious way to demonstrate that Wootton needs renovation to close it and move students to Crown? No other school has been presented with such an extreme and unfair option. If this proposal were applied to other schools, the reaction would be immediate and overwhelmingly negative.

This thread has many trolls defending this option who are deeply invested as it effectively transfers the asset from other neighborhoods to their neighborhoods.

To some extent, too many active petitions from Wootton telling the media and public that their current school is unsafe for the last few months pushes MCPS to think outside of box to come out of this proposal option H. It is just one of the options, and Wootton should not completely blame MCPS on this. MCPS has no money, and it is a fact. MCPS wants to solve the urgent issues of renovating many schools to get them at least running (the minimum requirement) on the CIP list.

It is true that Wootton needs some urgent fix because MCPS neglected the building for years. It is equally true that the Wootton community does not want to move. Responsibility for these conditions lies with MCPS, not with the families at Wootton.

Yet the narrative continues to place blame on Wootton while pushing relocation as the preferred solution. This approach ignores the root cause of the problem and unfairly shifts responsibility onto the very community that has been impacted by years of inaction.

There are 22 schools on the CIP. Only Wootton has a brand new school being built close by. Makes sense to make use of it.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that there is 43!pages of Wootton complaining about getting a new HS along with other outside complaining about the same should tell the superintendent all he needs to know. These people are unserious and clearly not in need of a new facility. Start with Damascus and Magruder as the CIP proposes, move the boundaries to fill the school. If that means Wootton is now split, then so be it.

Why is the only serious way to demonstrate that Wootton needs renovation to close it and move students to Crown? No other school has been presented with such an extreme and unfair option. If this proposal were applied to other schools, the reaction would be immediate and overwhelmingly negative.

This thread has many trolls defending this option who are deeply invested as it effectively transfers the asset from other neighborhoods to their neighborhoods.

No other school has a brand new school being built close by.

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Anonymous wrote:When will the next step of the decision process be made about the new Woottonburg?

Late January or early February

Woot-ton-burg! Woot-ton-burg!!

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Anonymous wrote:It is not realistic for Wootton cluster to think that they should have no changes to their boundaries. It's one of the closest schools to Crown. It's Wootton, Gaithersburg, and QO that should have the biggest changes.

Then why isn’t RM changing any all? They’re overcrowded and also part of reason to build crown. Wootton is never over capacity but has to change because of DEI goals

QO, GHS and Wootton are also overcrowded and closer to Crown - its just logical that Crown should be filled with communities zoned to these schools.

You’re wrong. QO and RM are overcrowded. Wootton has been undercapacity for many years.

Then MCPS should move out some of the areas serving Wootton but are actually physically closer to Crown, to Crown, and pull in from RM or other areas to Wootton. Wootton should just get different neighborhoods zoned to it then.

I also think that Falls Grove needs to go to Crown and also the houses along Muddy Branch/Diamondback

Not disagreeing with you but none of the options reflect that. None of the options even touch RM which is still overcrowded

If MCPS was smart they would pull in neighborhoods zoned to RM to Wootton and improve the diversity in that school too.

Crown could also actually be a decent and diverse school if they pull in equally from Gaithersburg, QO and Wootton. Pulling in only from Gaithersburg and QO will not do much for Crown.

Agree with all of this.

I agree with this is a good suggestion, but I doubt that MCPS could go down this route. I recall someone says that MCPS could ONLY pick from option A to H with a small twist or change. There is a news that the 2027 budget restraint only allow to let MCPS running. I doubt that they have money to fund a new Crown HS expenses (teachers, staff, utilities and etc).

off topic, but begs the question: does MCPS even have enough funding for the new region models?

I'm also perplexed about RM in the new options. The boundary doesn't change but miraculously it becomes under capacity.

County council will fund it.

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton isn't the only school that has been neglected - agree it's at the top or very near the top, but Eastern MS is also a disaster for example.

With over 200 schools, there will always be those in great shape that were just renovated, those in the middle that could use some love but there's no money, and those near the top that have been begging for help for years before they are in dire enough shape to be at the top, and get the renovations needed.

See if anyone can dig up information from former Council Member Roger Berliner's "Keeping the Pace" forum, which was I think a decade ago, and showed billions were needed to catch-up/keep the pace of what our schools needed in terms of facilitites. I'm sure that number has at least doubled by now, but the reality is, MCPS will never have the funds to keep up

Add the Tax Payer's League who always comes up for reasons not to fund MCPS, and the Parent Coalition who points out some miniscule point of waste as a reason for not giving what's needed, the current administration's disastrous cuts that will affect Montgomery County for decades, and we are compounding the problem/kicking the can down the road for generations to come

Many of our schools need repairs or replacement and are not even on the list.

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Anonymous wrote:When will the next step of the decision process be made about the new Woottonburg?

Is it really that hard to be a grown up?

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton isn't the only school that has been neglected - agree it's at the top or very near the top, but Eastern MS is also a disaster for example.

With over 200 schools, there will always be those in great shape that were just renovated, those in the middle that could use some love but there's no money, and those near the top that have been begging for help for years before they are in dire enough shape to be at the top, and get the renovations needed.

See if anyone can dig up information from former Council Member Roger Berliner's "Keeping the Pace" forum, which was I think a decade ago, and showed billions were needed to catch-up/keep the pace of what our schools needed in terms of facilitites. I'm sure that number has at least doubled by now, but the reality is, MCPS will never have the funds to keep up

Add the Tax Payer's League who always comes up for reasons not to fund MCPS, and the Parent Coalition who points out some miniscule point of waste as a reason for not giving what's needed, the current administration's disastrous cuts that will affect Montgomery County for decades, and we are compounding the problem/kicking the can down the road for generations to come

Yet MCPS has found funding to lease a brand-new warehouse, install numerous synthetic turf fields, and implement costly bus-in bus-out regional programs. These choices reflect priorities, not an absence of funds.

Rather than simply attributing school condition to a lack of money, MCPS should be held accountable for how funds have been allocated. Mismanagement of resources deserves scrutiny, especially when essential building repairs have been deferred for years

Again, I have to disagree. Those things are part of operations for a school system. If the original warehouse is useless due to leaks, mold, or the lease is up, it has to be replaced. You can't ignore a leaky roof in your home just because you also have to pay the mortgage - you have to do both. Same for turf fields. The inequity because some schools have them and others don't is unacceptable. Every kid needs to have access to play, and when there's no turf, the fields get closed, get divits that sprain ankles, and turn into a muddy mess, that then becomes hard as a rock. You can complain about turf, but it's a losing argument:
Environment - the chemicals it takes to maintain a grass field are just as bad
Cost - a grass field costs less up front, but maintenance is more over 10 years than turf
Injuries - we would all prefer well maintained grass, but we dont have the money for maintenance and the grass fields are in horrific shape (except Churchill, but their booster pays for that, not all the MoCo taxpayers), and those cause injuries too
Temperature - there are rules when it's too hot to play to take more breaks- follow them and it's not a problem

The proposed bus program is not my priority, I think it's a waste of time amd a complete disaster. But the board of education, who we voted for, picked Taylor and this is his priority. We will see what happens here. But you are wrong about the warehouse and the turf

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton isn't the only school that has been neglected - agree it's at the top or very near the top, but Eastern MS is also a disaster for example.

With over 200 schools, there will always be those in great shape that were just renovated, those in the middle that could use some love but there's no money, and those near the top that have been begging for help for years before they are in dire enough shape to be at the top, and get the renovations needed.

See if anyone can dig up information from former Council Member Roger Berliner's "Keeping the Pace" forum, which was I think a decade ago, and showed billions were needed to catch-up/keep the pace of what our schools needed in terms of facilitites. I'm sure that number has at least doubled by now, but the reality is, MCPS will never have the funds to keep up

Add the Tax Payer's League who always comes up for reasons not to fund MCPS, and the Parent Coalition who points out some miniscule point of waste as a reason for not giving what's needed, the current administration's disastrous cuts that will affect Montgomery County for decades, and we are compounding the problem/kicking the can down the road for generations to come

Yet MCPS has found funding to lease a brand-new warehouse, install numerous synthetic turf fields, and implement costly bus-in bus-out regional programs. These choices reflect priorities, not an absence of funds.

Rather than simply attributing school condition to a lack of money, MCPS should be held accountable for how funds have been allocated. Mismanagement of resources deserves scrutiny, especially when essential building repairs have been deferred for years

Again, I have to disagree. Those things are part of operations for a school system. If the original warehouse is useless due to leaks, mold, or the lease is up, it has to be replaced. You can't ignore a leaky roof in your home just because you also have to pay the mortgage - you have to do both. Same for turf fields. The inequity because some schools have them and others don't is unacceptable. Every kid needs to have access to play, and when there's no turf, the fields get closed, get divits that sprain ankles, and turn into a muddy mess, that then becomes hard as a rock. You can complain about turf, but it's a losing argument:
Environment - the chemicals it takes to maintain a grass field are just as bad
Cost - a grass field costs less up front, but maintenance is more over 10 years than turf
Injuries - we would all prefer well maintained grass, but we dont have the money for maintenance and the grass fields are in horrific shape (except Churchill, but their booster pays for that, not all the MoCo taxpayers), and those cause injuries too
Temperature - there are rules when it's too hot to play to take more breaks- follow them and it's not a problem

The proposed bus program is not my priority, I think it's a waste of time amd a complete disaster. But the board of education, who we voted for, picked Taylor and this is his priority. We will see what happens here. But you are wrong about the warehouse and the turf

They only have good fields at some schools. You just raised more inequities.

They do ignore roof, plumbing, gas and electrical issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton isn't the only school that has been neglected - agree it's at the top or very near the top, but Eastern MS is also a disaster for example.

With over 200 schools, there will always be those in great shape that were just renovated, those in the middle that could use some love but there's no money, and those near the top that have been begging for help for years before they are in dire enough shape to be at the top, and get the renovations needed.

See if anyone can dig up information from former Council Member Roger Berliner's "Keeping the Pace" forum, which was I think a decade ago, and showed billions were needed to catch-up/keep the pace of what our schools needed in terms of facilitites. I'm sure that number has at least doubled by now, but the reality is, MCPS will never have the funds to keep up

Add the Tax Payer's League who always comes up for reasons not to fund MCPS, and the Parent Coalition who points out some miniscule point of waste as a reason for not giving what's needed, the current administration's disastrous cuts that will affect Montgomery County for decades, and we are compounding the problem/kicking the can down the road for generations to come

Yet MCPS has found funding to lease a brand-new warehouse, install numerous synthetic turf fields, and implement costly bus-in bus-out regional programs. These choices reflect priorities, not an absence of funds.

Rather than simply attributing school condition to a lack of money, MCPS should be held accountable for how funds have been allocated. Mismanagement of resources deserves scrutiny, especially when essential building repairs have been deferred for years

Again, I have to disagree. Those things are part of operations for a school system. If the original warehouse is useless due to leaks, mold, or the lease is up, it has to be replaced. You can't ignore a leaky roof in your home just because you also have to pay the mortgage - you have to do both. Same for turf fields. The inequity because some schools have them and others don't is unacceptable. Every kid needs to have access to play, and when there's no turf, the fields get closed, get divits that sprain ankles, and turn into a muddy mess, that then becomes hard as a rock. You can complain about turf, but it's a losing argument:
Environment - the chemicals it takes to maintain a grass field are just as bad
Cost - a grass field costs less up front, but maintenance is more over 10 years than turf
Injuries - we would all prefer well maintained grass, but we dont have the money for maintenance and the grass fields are in horrific shape (except Churchill, but their booster pays for that, not all the MoCo taxpayers), and those cause injuries too
Temperature - there are rules when it's too hot to play to take more breaks- follow them and it's not a problem

The proposed bus program is not my priority, I think it's a waste of time amd a complete disaster. But the board of education, who we voted for, picked Taylor and this is his priority. We will see what happens here. But you are wrong about the warehouse and the turf

Why is it ok to have leaks and molds at schools but not ok for a warehouse? How is it equitable some schools have nice facilities and others have to endure unsafe buildings? Isn’t that more important than turf fields?
I don’t think turf fields are environmentally friendly. It’s basically plastic and needs to be replaced quickly and the cost is a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that there is 43!pages of Wootton complaining about getting a new HS along with other outside complaining about the same should tell the superintendent all he needs to know. These people are unserious and clearly not in need of a new facility. Start with Damascus and Magruder as the CIP proposes, move the boundaries to fill the school. If that means Wootton is now split, then so be it.

Why is the only serious way to demonstrate that Wootton needs renovation to close it and move students to Crown? No other school has been presented with such an extreme and unfair option. If this proposal were applied to other schools, the reaction would be immediate and overwhelmingly negative.

This thread has many trolls defending this option who are deeply invested as it effectively transfers the asset from other neighborhoods to their neighborhoods.

The you need to stop demanding being bumped to the front of the line. You got the new school. Other schools are already in much worse shape. I’d be thrilled to be offered a new school.

Stop the same comment again and again. I already replied many times Wootton has the second worst CFI. Only one school is in slight worse shape.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that there is 43!pages of Wootton complaining about getting a new HS along with other outside complaining about the same should tell the superintendent all he needs to know. These people are unserious and clearly not in need of a new facility. Start with Damascus and Magruder as the CIP proposes, move the boundaries to fill the school. If that means Wootton is now split, then so be it.

Why is the only serious way to demonstrate that Wootton needs renovation to close it and move students to Crown? No other school has been presented with such an extreme and unfair option. If this proposal were applied to other schools, the reaction would be immediate and overwhelmingly negative.

This thread has many trolls defending this option who are deeply invested as it effectively transfers the asset from other neighborhoods to their neighborhoods.

The you need to stop demanding being bumped to the front of the line. You got the new school. Other schools are already in much worse shape. I’d be thrilled to be offered a new school.

Please provide citations for this. Wootton families are asking for remediation of immediate problems, not a full renovation. Wootton is on the CIP for 2035 (after being bumped twice). That demonstrates Wootton families are patient. They just don't want to move to Crown. Why can't you understand this (you probably do understand, but you're trolling).

Are you suggesting that remediation isn't even a possibility due to lack of funds? If this were the case, then Crown's construction should cease immediately because there is no need for a brand new school costing $400M that will be under enrolled. While you're at it, go ahead and halt all CIP for full renovations and focus on simple remediation of existing buildings. That would save MCPS hundreds of millions of dollars. Oh, and no more renovation of sports fields or facilities. Those are a luxury if you can't remediate mold, HVAC, gas lines, etc.... in schools that need it.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that there is 43!pages of Wootton complaining about getting a new HS along with other outside complaining about the same should tell the superintendent all he needs to know. These people are unserious and clearly not in need of a new facility. Start with Damascus and Magruder as the CIP proposes, move the boundaries to fill the school. If that means Wootton is now split, then so be it.

Why is the only serious way to demonstrate that Wootton needs renovation to close it and move students to Crown? No other school has been presented with such an extreme and unfair option. If this proposal were applied to other schools, the reaction would be immediate and overwhelmingly negative.

This thread has many trolls defending this option who are deeply invested as it effectively transfers the asset from other neighborhoods to their neighborhoods.

The you need to stop demanding being bumped to the front of the line. You got the new school. Other schools are already in much worse shape. I’d be thrilled to be offered a new school.

Please provide citations for this. Wootton families are asking for remediation of immediate problems, not a full renovation. Wootton is on the CIP for 2035 (after being bumped twice). That demonstrates Wootton families are patient. They just don't want to move to Crown. Why can't you understand this (you probably do understand, but you're trolling).

Are you suggesting that remediation isn't even a possibility due to lack of funds? If this were the case, then Crown's construction should cease immediately because there is no need for a brand new school costing $400M that will be under enrolled. While you're at it, go ahead and halt all CIP for full renovations and focus on simple remediation of existing buildings. That would save MCPS hundreds of millions of dollars. Oh, and no more renovation of sports fields or facilities. Those are a luxury if you can't remediate mold, HVAC, gas lines, etc.... in schools that need it.

What are the only immediate problems that Wootton wants to be remediated with all of the petitions out there? Do you have a list? Are those immediate problems costing millions or just a few thousands or hundred thousands here and there? If those immediate problems cost a lot of money and current Wootton can still open to operate, MCPS probably would want to wait until the full renovation in 2035. Sometimes it is just faster and cheaper to tear up the building and build a new one.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wootton isn't the only school that has been neglected - agree it's at the top or very near the top, but Eastern MS is also a disaster for example.

With over 200 schools, there will always be those in great shape that were just renovated, those in the middle that could use some love but there's no money, and those near the top that have been begging for help for years before they are in dire enough shape to be at the top, and get the renovations needed.

See if anyone can dig up information from former Council Member Roger Berliner's "Keeping the Pace" forum, which was I think a decade ago, and showed billions were needed to catch-up/keep the pace of what our schools needed in terms of facilitites. I'm sure that number has at least doubled by now, but the reality is, MCPS will never have the funds to keep up

Add the Tax Payer's League who always comes up for reasons not to fund MCPS, and the Parent Coalition who points out some miniscule point of waste as a reason for not giving what's needed, the current administration's disastrous cuts that will affect Montgomery County for decades, and we are compounding the problem/kicking the can down the road for generations to come

Yet MCPS has found funding to lease a brand-new warehouse, install numerous synthetic turf fields, and implement costly bus-in bus-out regional programs. These choices reflect priorities, not an absence of funds.

Rather than simply attributing school condition to a lack of money, MCPS should be held accountable for how funds have been allocated. Mismanagement of resources deserves scrutiny, especially when essential building repairs have been deferred for years

Again, I have to disagree. Those things are part of operations for a school system. If the original warehouse is useless due to leaks, mold, or the lease is up, it has to be replaced. You can't ignore a leaky roof in your home just because you also have to pay the mortgage - you have to do both. Same for turf fields. The inequity because some schools have them and others don't is unacceptable. Every kid needs to have access to play, and when there's no turf, the fields get closed, get divits that sprain ankles, and turn into a muddy mess, that then becomes hard as a rock. You can complain about turf, but it's a losing argument:
Environment - the chemicals it takes to maintain a grass field are just as bad
Cost - a grass field costs less up front, but maintenance is more over 10 years than turf
Injuries - we would all prefer well maintained grass, but we dont have the money for maintenance and the grass fields are in horrific shape (except Churchill, but their booster pays for that, not all the MoCo taxpayers), and those cause injuries too
Temperature - there are rules when it's too hot to play to take more breaks- follow them and it's not a problem

The proposed bus program is not my priority, I think it's a waste of time amd a complete disaster. But the board of education, who we voted for, picked Taylor and this is his priority. We will see what happens here. But you are wrong about the warehouse and the turf

Why is it ok to have leaks and molds at schools but not ok for a warehouse? How is it equitable some schools have nice facilities and others have to endure unsafe buildings? Isn’t that more important than turf fields?
I don’t think turf fields are environmentally friendly. It’s basically plastic and needs to be replaced quickly and the cost is a lot.

Big difference between storage and students/staff in buildings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that there is 43!pages of Wootton complaining about getting a new HS along with other outside complaining about the same should tell the superintendent all he needs to know. These people are unserious and clearly not in need of a new facility. Start with Damascus and Magruder as the CIP proposes, move the boundaries to fill the school. If that means Wootton is now split, then so be it.

Why is the only serious way to demonstrate that Wootton needs renovation to close it and move students to Crown? No other school has been presented with such an extreme and unfair option. If this proposal were applied to other schools, the reaction would be immediate and overwhelmingly negative.

This thread has many trolls defending this option who are deeply invested as it effectively transfers the asset from other neighborhoods to their neighborhoods.

The you need to stop demanding being bumped to the front of the line. You got the new school. Other schools are already in much worse shape. I’d be thrilled to be offered a new school.

Please provide citations for this. Wootton families are asking for remediation of immediate problems, not a full renovation. Wootton is on the CIP for 2035 (after being bumped twice). That demonstrates Wootton families are patient. They just don't want to move to Crown. Why can't you understand this (you probably do understand, but you're trolling).

Are you suggesting that remediation isn't even a possibility due to lack of funds? If this were the case, then Crown's construction should cease immediately because there is no need for a brand new school costing $400M that will be under enrolled. While you're at it, go ahead and halt all CIP for full renovations and focus on simple remediation of existing buildings. That would save MCPS hundreds of millions of dollars. Oh, and no more renovation of sports fields or facilities. Those are a luxury if you can't remediate mold, HVAC, gas lines, etc.... in schools that need it.

What are the only immediate problems that Wootton wants to be remediated with all of the petitions out there? Do you have a list? Are those immediate problems costing millions or just a few thousands or hundred thousands here and there? If those immediate problems cost a lot of money and current Wootton can still open to operate, MCPS probably would want to wait until the full renovation in 2035. Sometimes it is just faster and cheaper to tear up the building and build a new one.

They don't care about logic. They demanded a new building, got one offerend and now are complaining as its not what they wanted. If MCPS is doing a full renovation in 10 years, thats more than most schools are getting.