My friend would be 200% supportive of no children like hers being born. |
What's funny is how you continue to second guess the experiences of women who are living this situation. |
So you’re in favor of female child abusers having children they don’t want? I’m not saying women never make bad choices or harm other people; I’m just saying that they’re far better at judging their own capabilities than legislators are. |
You're going to force some births, but certainly most women that do not want to continue with a pregnancy will terminate the pregnancy whether it's legal or not. It has always been that way and it always will be that way. |
What kind of crazy logical leap is that?! No! But I’m not going to put out platitudes like “I trust all women with offspring” which is patent nonsense. |
That’s not an argument for anything. If we used that for logic, we would have no laws against anything because there are always crimes. |
You can't legislate away a basic human right. You can try but you can't do it. |
No one has said any of those things, so stop demonizing. |
You avoided the question. When do you start valuing the lives of children? Do you favor the right of mothers to smother babies after birth, for instance? When do you want the state to be able to step in? I am, incidentally, not entirely anti-abortion. I actually am in favor of widespread right to abortion in the first trimester, but far more limited rights to abortion around the time of viability, because at that point the child has a life that can survive independently. I also think that the absolute refusal of current pro-choice advocates to acknowledge that a fetus is a human life at stake, that children have value, that the state has an interest in protecting lives (both mother and child, not just mothers), and that the abortion procedure in the second and third trimesters is barbaric is harming the cause. We have moved from “safe, legal, and rare” to “celebrate your abortion on TikTok and on stage” and that is losing a lot of people who know that abortion ends a child’s life. The reason this isn’t a single-issue voting issue for many women is that they do not want to be grouped with people who favor broad rights to abortion through the third trimester, and those are the loudest voices now. “Celebrate your abortion” was a catastrophically wrong campaign choice and something that many women want nothing to do with. |
I’m grateful everyday for my special needs child, but even though my child will have some lifelong struggles, they have a normal IQ, can communicate, can toilet independently, dress themselves, etc. I know how hard it is to parent a child who has greater than average needs, how isolating it can be, even without profound disabilities. If you haven’t walked a mile into is PP’s friend’s shoes, you have no right to judge her and you definitely have no idea how you’d feel in the same position. Just be grateful every day for your healthy, neurotypical children. |
That’s not a platitude. Who do you think is in the best position to judge whether an individual woman can handle pregnancy, childbirth, parenting, special needs? You think (mostly male) state legislators are the ones who should have the decision making authority over women’s bodies and family planning? |
Haha. These boys couldn't handle pregnancy, and childbirth. They are so clueless. |
No one has said "abortion up until birth" but that didn't stop you from inventing it. |
Plenty of people in this thread have advocated for the right to terminate in the third trimester for genetic abnormalities. Are you opposed to that? |
So Trump is going to push for a national abortion ban like we all suspect. Thanks for putting it out there. |