2024 US News rankings

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Do rich people have a different ranking ?

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This is actually a decent ranking. The true elites are still at the top, and the underrated publics got a bump

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UVA moves UP in the USNews rankings, and the haters are out in full force. I love it!

Please save your ammo for Wake, William & Mary, Tulane, Tufts, NYU, etc. Who dropped like a stone. Drop it like it’s hot!

Ha.

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Anonymous wrote:Guys if you think your state school is on par w a “lower Ivy” and yet all rankings tell you something different, the problem is you

Depends on the state school. UVA is the best school in the South, so it probably is.

Which south are we talking about? The one with Duke, Vandy, Rice and Emory?

Vandy, Rice, and Emory all trended down this year, UVA trended up and isn't stopping anytime soon. Duke is just a basketball school.

UVA trended up to the #5 public.

It’s obvious that a troll is deliberately trying to make UVA look bad.

It's all about momentum. You want your kid to end up at a school that will continue paying off 10, 20 years down the road. UVA is only going up, and based on potential it's the best school in the South. I'm not saying it's the best school everywhere, just the South, which I think is more than reasonable. The extremely loyal alumni base helps kids get top jobs and opportunities anywhere in the country, not just the South. It's law and business schools are also by far the best in the South. Not sure what there is to discuss here.

It’s almost like you’re willfully voiding the entire existence of Duke.

and UNC, Vanderbilt, Rice, Emory. . .

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Anonymous wrote:Tufts is probably being punished because it skews wealthy. Not enough Pell grant and first gen admits.

So, people, if you think it's hard to get into a highly rejective school, it will be even harder now with schools gaming the system and admit more Pell grants and First gen students.

How do I get my kid pell grants and make them first gen? Can I just not identify as their parent?

NP here. That is not how it works. You have to submit taxes, etc. for consideration of financial aid, and you can be chosen for audit at any time. If you provide false information, you are on the hook with the U.S. government (not just the school).

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Anonymous wrote:UVA moves UP in the USNews rankings, and the haters are out in full force. I love it!

Please save your ammo for Wake, William & Mary, Tulane, Tufts, NYU, etc. Who dropped like a stone. Drop it like it’s hot!

Ha.

It seems you do not know as much about schools as you want to believe. DP here.

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Anonymous wrote:Guys if you think your state school is on par w a “lower Ivy” and yet all rankings tell you something different, the problem is you

Depends on the state school. UVA is the best school in the South, so it probably is.

Which south are we talking about? The one with Duke, Vandy, Rice and Emory?

Vandy, Rice, and Emory all trended down this year, UVA trended up and isn't stopping anytime soon. Duke is just a basketball school.

UVA trended up to the #5 public.

It’s obvious that a troll is deliberately trying to make UVA look bad.

I believe that UVA being a (not "the") top public is accurate. No one I know believes any more than that about UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is 47
W&M has fallen to 53

UMD gives alot of aid to First Gen, Low income, and URM. This is why they have risen so much in the rankings.

This isn’t about UMD?

dp.. I think the UMD poster is giving an example of why a college could have gone up in the ranks.

Someone posted in another thread that the pell grant factor was only an extra .5% in the ranking. I don't know if that's true.

Yes this is exactly why. Many of the public schools that have surged ie UMD give lots of scholarship $ to lower income students so that they can attend. Take a look at the instagram postings for a school like Wheaton in MoCo. Many students being given full or partial aid by the university. Not saying there is anything wrong with it but UMD is now at least 50 % URM. As well, as many other students who are minorities (Asian) from schools like Rockville and z Blair getting help to attend UMD. This must have factored into moving the dial for UMD way up.

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Anonymous wrote:Guys if you think your state school is on par w a “lower Ivy” and yet all rankings tell you something different, the problem is you

Depends on the state school. UVA is the best school in the South, so it probably is.

Which south are we talking about? The one with Duke, Vandy, Rice and Emory?

Vandy, Rice, and Emory all trended down this year, UVA trended up and isn't stopping anytime soon. Duke is just a basketball school.

UVA trended up to the #5 public.

It’s obvious that a troll is deliberately trying to make UVA look bad.

It's all about momentum. You want your kid to end up at a school that will continue paying off 10, 20 years down the road. UVA is only going up, and based on potential it's the best school in the South. I'm not saying it's the best school everywhere, just the South, which I think is more than reasonable. The extremely loyal alumni base helps kids get top jobs and opportunities anywhere in the country, not just the South. It's law and business schools are also by far the best in the South. Not sure what there is to discuss here.

It’s almost like you’re willfully voiding the entire existence of Duke.

Again, Duke is just a basketball school. Kids with actual academic ambitions don't go there. On the other hand, UVA funnels in dozens of geniuses from TJ every year, and all of those kids are more capable than any kid at Duke.

I can’t tell if this is a troll post or not. Duke funnels a lot of kids from NCSSM, which is also a phenomenal school. It’s ranked right with Stanford and Harvard for research funding. It has top law, medicine, and business programs. Campus is beautiful and it’s a relatively “new” school. And it does all of this while still having a great sports and social culture.

Duke isn't really a peer of Harvard and Stanford though (for undergrad, law, med, or business school) is it? I don't think Chicago would even consider Duke as a true peer professional school wise but it probably would for undergrad.

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Anonymous wrote:Guys if you think your state school is on par w a “lower Ivy” and yet all rankings tell you something different, the problem is you

Depends on the state school. UVA is the best school in the South, so it probably is.

Which south are we talking about? The one with Duke, Vandy, Rice and Emory?

Vandy, Rice, and Emory all trended down this year, UVA trended up and isn't stopping anytime soon. Duke is just a basketball school.

UVA trended up to the #5 public.

It’s obvious that a troll is deliberately trying to make UVA look bad.

It's all about momentum. You want your kid to end up at a school that will continue paying off 10, 20 years down the road. UVA is only going up, and based on potential it's the best school in the South. I'm not saying it's the best school everywhere, just the South, which I think is more than reasonable. The extremely loyal alumni base helps kids get top jobs and opportunities anywhere in the country, not just the South. It's law and business schools are also by far the best in the South. Not sure what there is to discuss here.

It’s almost like you’re willfully voiding the entire existence of Duke.

Again, Duke is just a basketball school. Kids with actual academic ambitions don't go there. On the other hand, UVA funnels in dozens of geniuses from TJ every year, and all of those kids are more capable than any kid at Duke.

I can’t tell if this is a troll post or not. Duke funnels a lot of kids from NCSSM, which is also a phenomenal school. It’s ranked right with Stanford and Harvard for research funding. It has top law, medicine, and business programs. Campus is beautiful and it’s a relatively “new” school. And it does all of this while still having a great sports and social culture.

Duke isn't really a peer of Harvard and Stanford though (for undergrad, law, med, or business school) is it? I don't think Chicago would even consider Duke as a true peer professional school wise but it probably would for undergrad.

Correct. Duke is not a peer of Harvard or Stanford.

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Anonymous wrote:Tufts is probably being punished because it skews wealthy. Not enough Pell grant and first gen admits.

So, people, if you think it's hard to get into a highly rejective school, it will be even harder now with schools gaming the system and admit more Pell grants and First gen students.

Now people are starting to contradict themselves. Tufts at #40 is "being punished because it skews wealthy"? Virginia Tech is #47 and people were claiming that was because they had Pell grants and first gen students. W&M is even further down the list at #53, but some were claiming the student body "skewed wealthy."

Face it, none of you have a grasp on why one school moves up but another moves down.

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Anonymous wrote:Tufts is probably being punished because it skews wealthy. Not enough Pell grant and first gen admits.

So, people, if you think it's hard to get into a highly rejective school, it will be even harder now with schools gaming the system and admit more Pell grants and First gen students.

so why is duke up?

Exactly. What someone claims as a reason for one school moving up/down doesn't apply to the other school(s).

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Anonymous wrote:Tufts is probably being punished because it skews wealthy. Not enough Pell grant and first gen admits.

So, people, if you think it's hard to get into a highly rejective school, it will be even harder now with schools gaming the system and admit more Pell grants and First gen students.

so why is duke up?

They must be paying off USNWR

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Anonymous wrote:These rankings are becoming less relevant. UMC and wealthy families seem to be diverging from USNWR and towards some other source of information (network of private HS college counselors, secret book?). I think the increased focus on Pell grant recipients/first gen just exacerbates the pressures not to provide any support to UMC/ UC families outside the 1% --and UMC includes very much MC families in HCOLA. So instead, these families are going to institutions that provide merit aid or more robust financial aid for higher income families. So these institutions are attracting more strong UMC families--which is what many people want in terms of developing social networks etc. The rankings are diverging from reality--and with test optional there's less of a way to consistently judge merit.

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The whole college industry seems hell bent on squeezing kids with parents making a bit above average and for whom $400k is a non-neglbel amount, and $800k for two kids is actually quite a bit.

There’s a clear risk very good colleges that fell in the rankings will adjust admissions to regain in the rankings.

And, good luck getting support for financing a public sector that makes every effort make sure MC / UMC get nothing back for paid taxes.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still shocked that Michigan and UNC are at 21 and 22. They can't hold a candle too UVA. Everyone in my social circle regards UVA in the same tier as the lower ivies, Michigan and UNC are bottom tier party schools

Maybe you need to braoden your social circle?

I get it, but in reality, at Michigan, virtually every single program/department within the University is top 10, or even top 5 in the country. UVa cannot come close to saying the same thing.

The UVA boosters in the forum really need to take a step back.

On the west coast, Michigan is considered around the level of Berkeley and UCLA. UVA is not, though I can’t speak for the south. No one would think of it as equivalent to a lower tier Ivy here.

Are you an authority or Expert™️ of some sort? On what evidence do you base your claims?