Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?

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FYI as someone with connections to folks who work in entertainment, it is accepted as fact in the industry that Drew Carey had WLS. Like all of Hollywood and entertainment, the surgeries they all get are not discussed in public. It’s no different than all the plastic surgery others have had.

It’s totally naive to believe otherwise

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Anonymous wrote:FYI as someone with connections to folks who work in entertainment, it is accepted as fact in the industry that Drew Carey had WLS. Like all of Hollywood and entertainment, the surgeries they all get are not discussed in public. It’s no different than all the plastic surgery others have had.

It’s totally naive to believe otherwise

An anonymous person on the internet claiming to be "someone with connections" is just not considered credible information to most people. TBH, sounds desperate.

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Anonymous wrote:FYI as someone with connections to folks who work in entertainment, it is accepted as fact in the industry that Drew Carey had WLS. Like all of Hollywood and entertainment, the surgeries they all get are not discussed in public. It’s no different than all the plastic surgery others have had.

It’s totally naive to believe otherwise

An anonymous person on the internet claiming to be "someone with connections" is just not considered credible information to most people. TBH, sounds desperate.

I hate to break it to you, but Santa Claus isn’t real either.

[Anonymous]

Lol at the person who doesn’t want to believe all of Hollywood doesn’t have regular and repeated cosmetic and other surgeries, including WLS. That’s pretty funny. Sweet summer child.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Pp and others who believe people need to just suck it up and eat healthy believe that obesity is a moral failing, not a medical problem. The rest of us are over here talking about this from a policy and health perspective and they are in another place.

I would say you are definitely on another planet, no doubt. Your argument about obesity being a "moral failing" is hogwash. Choosing to eat horrible food is simply a choice and has nothing to do with morality. Same thing goes for refusing to exercise. I guess some people would call it laziness, but calling it a moral failing is a huge stretch.

By acting like this is 100% about individual food choices and ignoring the innumerable other factors involved you are actually moralising and oversimplifying an extremely complex problem. You merely calling high calorie food “horrible,” is a moral characterization, then you turn around and call overweight people lazy. You are too busy feeling superior to understand the conversation in this thread.

Your post is a total disaster. You're obsessed with portraying yourself as a victim. Please tell us about the innumerable other factors that have turned our society into a bunch of butterballs.

Let’s look at some of the deliberate policy decisions that have led to an obesity epidemic in the US and contrast to our European counterparts who DON’T have these problems:

1. An emphasis on cars and far flung suburbs where the average person cannot conceivably walk anywhere they would want to go
2. Light regulations on the chemicals in our food air and water that cause endocrine disruption and may lead to conditions like PCOS which have a major impact on weight
3. The massive subsidisation of corn, which leads to unhealthy corn based foods being far cheaper than actual produce
4. A highly dysfunctional healthcare system where people do not seek medical care until they have a crisis level issue
5. A culture that emphasizes long working hours without time to rest, reflect, exercise, or prepare healthy foods, no mandatory paid leave

Also, I’m fit, healthy, and have empathy and an education that allows me to see what this is: a policy and healthcare issue, not a moral one.

This is a perfect example of someone in academia who can't see the forest for the trees. Their ideology is bordering on cult like behavior. No such thing as poor decision making affecting your health. Nope. Nope. I guess they don't see the hoards of people lined up to buy a double barf burger, grande sugary drink, and massive bag full of greasy fries.

Of course there is poor decision making! That doesn't happen in a vacuum. People are nudged toward certain decisions based on environment. We can't legislate people making better decisions, we can help create those circumstances though

This is not helpful. Obesity isn't caused by some sort of moral failing.

I think we can all agree that eating less results in weight loss. The new drugs help people eat less and they lose weight. These drugs will not eliminate obesity because they are a treatment. Most people will still need to be overweight and then continue on to obesity before they can get access to the drugs. Some people may never get access to the drugs due to costs. Some people may not want to take it because it is a shot that has to be taken weekly for life or they are not comfortable with the potential side effects. Also, the trials show that not all people have success with the drugs.

I'm not here to judge strangers. You have the right to be fit or obese and take medication to help with any and all of your issues What is so surprising about this thread is the anger and people who insist that lifestyle changes don't work. They may not work for you or someone you know, but they absolutely do work. Just like the drugs may work for some, but not for all.

To eliminate obesity we need to focus on prevention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lol at the person who doesn’t want to believe all of Hollywood doesn’t have regular and repeated cosmetic and other surgeries, including WLS. That’s pretty funny. Sweet summer child.

Please stop trying to diminish the accomplishments of others. Many people, not just actors, take pride in their physique that was obtained via hard work and disciple. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean that others can't.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol at the person who doesn’t want to believe all of Hollywood doesn’t have regular and repeated cosmetic and other surgeries, including WLS. That’s pretty funny. Sweet summer child.

Please stop trying to diminish the accomplishments of others. Many people, not just actors, take pride in their physique that was obtained via hard work and disciple. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean that others can't.

I don’t need to lose weight.

You are delusional, though. Do you truly believe statements put out by publicists in People and carefully crafted to build an image are factual? Do you believe everything Hollywood tells you without question? I’m honestly kind of intrigued by you, though I guess you are not that uncommon in lacking critical thinking skills. It’s fascinating to watch someone who just swallows everything they are told by Hollywood hook, line, and sinker.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Pp and others who believe people need to just suck it up and eat healthy believe that obesity is a moral failing, not a medical problem. The rest of us are over here talking about this from a policy and health perspective and they are in another place.

I would say you are definitely on another planet, no doubt. Your argument about obesity being a "moral failing" is hogwash. Choosing to eat horrible food is simply a choice and has nothing to do with morality. Same thing goes for refusing to exercise. I guess some people would call it laziness, but calling it a moral failing is a huge stretch.

By acting like this is 100% about individual food choices and ignoring the innumerable other factors involved you are actually moralising and oversimplifying an extremely complex problem. You merely calling high calorie food “horrible,” is a moral characterization, then you turn around and call overweight people lazy. You are too busy feeling superior to understand the conversation in this thread.

Your post is a total disaster. You're obsessed with portraying yourself as a victim. Please tell us about the innumerable other factors that have turned our society into a bunch of butterballs.

Let’s look at some of the deliberate policy decisions that have led to an obesity epidemic in the US and contrast to our European counterparts who DON’T have these problems:

1. An emphasis on cars and far flung suburbs where the average person cannot conceivably walk anywhere they would want to go
2. Light regulations on the chemicals in our food air and water that cause endocrine disruption and may lead to conditions like PCOS which have a major impact on weight
3. The massive subsidisation of corn, which leads to unhealthy corn based foods being far cheaper than actual produce
4. A highly dysfunctional healthcare system where people do not seek medical care until they have a crisis level issue
5. A culture that emphasizes long working hours without time to rest, reflect, exercise, or prepare healthy foods, no mandatory paid leave

Also, I’m fit, healthy, and have empathy and an education that allows me to see what this is: a policy and healthcare issue, not a moral one.

This is a perfect example of someone in academia who can't see the forest for the trees. Their ideology is bordering on cult like behavior. No such thing as poor decision making affecting your health. Nope. Nope. I guess they don't see the hoards of people lined up to buy a double barf burger, grande sugary drink, and massive bag full of greasy fries.

Of course there is poor decision making! That doesn't happen in a vacuum. People are nudged toward certain decisions based on environment. We can't legislate people making better decisions, we can help create those circumstances though

This is not helpful. Obesity isn't caused by some sort of moral failing.

I think we can all agree that eating less results in weight loss. The new drugs help people eat less and they lose weight. These drugs will not eliminate obesity because they are a treatment. Most people will still need to be overweight and then continue on to obesity before they can get access to the drugs. Some people may never get access to the drugs due to costs. Some people may not want to take it because it is a shot that has to be taken weekly for life or they are not comfortable with the potential side effects. Also, the trials show that not all people have success with the drugs.

I'm not here to judge strangers. You have the right to be fit or obese and take medication to help with any and all of your issues What is so surprising about this thread is the anger and people who insist that lifestyle changes don't work. They may not work for you or someone you know, but they absolutely do work. Just like the drugs may work for some, but not for all.

To eliminate obesity we need to focus on prevention.

I don't think the disagreement is about whether a lifestyle change can, in some circumstances, result in sustained weight loss. Of course it can. But diet and exercise alone fails for the vast majority of people because the lifestyle change needed is too extreme to maintain.

And sure, you can say over and over again that it CAN work in theory and give examples of situations where it has, but everyone knows it isn't realistic for the vast majority of the population to lose weight that way. If it was, they would have the lost the weight already bc people have been preaching diet and exercise at overweight people nonstop for decades.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Pp and others who believe people need to just suck it up and eat healthy believe that obesity is a moral failing, not a medical problem. The rest of us are over here talking about this from a policy and health perspective and they are in another place.

I would say you are definitely on another planet, no doubt. Your argument about obesity being a "moral failing" is hogwash. Choosing to eat horrible food is simply a choice and has nothing to do with morality. Same thing goes for refusing to exercise. I guess some people would call it laziness, but calling it a moral failing is a huge stretch.

By acting like this is 100% about individual food choices and ignoring the innumerable other factors involved you are actually moralising and oversimplifying an extremely complex problem. You merely calling high calorie food “horrible,” is a moral characterization, then you turn around and call overweight people lazy. You are too busy feeling superior to understand the conversation in this thread.

Your post is a total disaster. You're obsessed with portraying yourself as a victim. Please tell us about the innumerable other factors that have turned our society into a bunch of butterballs.

Let’s look at some of the deliberate policy decisions that have led to an obesity epidemic in the US and contrast to our European counterparts who DON’T have these problems:

1. An emphasis on cars and far flung suburbs where the average person cannot conceivably walk anywhere they would want to go
2. Light regulations on the chemicals in our food air and water that cause endocrine disruption and may lead to conditions like PCOS which have a major impact on weight
3. The massive subsidisation of corn, which leads to unhealthy corn based foods being far cheaper than actual produce
4. A highly dysfunctional healthcare system where people do not seek medical care until they have a crisis level issue
5. A culture that emphasizes long working hours without time to rest, reflect, exercise, or prepare healthy foods, no mandatory paid leave

Also, I’m fit, healthy, and have empathy and an education that allows me to see what this is: a policy and healthcare issue, not a moral one.

This is a perfect example of someone in academia who can't see the forest for the trees. Their ideology is bordering on cult like behavior. No such thing as poor decision making affecting your health. Nope. Nope. I guess they don't see the hoards of people lined up to buy a double barf burger, grande sugary drink, and massive bag full of greasy fries.

Of course there is poor decision making! That doesn't happen in a vacuum. People are nudged toward certain decisions based on environment. We can't legislate people making better decisions, we can help create those circumstances though

This is not helpful. Obesity isn't caused by some sort of moral failing.

I think we can all agree that eating less results in weight loss. The new drugs help people eat less and they lose weight. These drugs will not eliminate obesity because they are a treatment. Most people will still need to be overweight and then continue on to obesity before they can get access to the drugs. Some people may never get access to the drugs due to costs. Some people may not want to take it because it is a shot that has to be taken weekly for life or they are not comfortable with the potential side effects. Also, the trials show that not all people have success with the drugs.

I'm not here to judge strangers. You have the right to be fit or obese and take medication to help with any and all of your issues What is so surprising about this thread is the anger and people who insist that lifestyle changes don't work. They may not work for you or someone you know, but they absolutely do work. Just like the drugs may work for some, but not for all.

To eliminate obesity we need to focus on prevention.

I don't think the disagreement is about whether a lifestyle change can, in some circumstances, result in sustained weight loss. Of course it can. But diet and exercise alone fails for the vast majority of people because the lifestyle change needed is too extreme to maintain.

And sure, you can say over and over again that it CAN work in theory and give examples of situations where it has, but everyone knows it isn't realistic for the vast majority of the population to lose weight that way. If it was, they would have the lost the weight already bc people have been preaching diet and exercise at overweight people nonstop for decades.

The 2 immediate prior posters are both reasonable. They understand and acknowledge it's not all or nothing (on either side). But this post is full of people insisting either 1) diet and exercise DON'T work, or 2) diet and exercise is all it takes. The extremists on both sides are who are fighting over the past 44 pages. Both are wrong but don't want to allow grace, or compromise, with the other side. Per usual now a days.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Pp and others who believe people need to just suck it up and eat healthy believe that obesity is a moral failing, not a medical problem. The rest of us are over here talking about this from a policy and health perspective and they are in another place.

I would say you are definitely on another planet, no doubt. Your argument about obesity being a "moral failing" is hogwash. Choosing to eat horrible food is simply a choice and has nothing to do with morality. Same thing goes for refusing to exercise. I guess some people would call it laziness, but calling it a moral failing is a huge stretch.

By acting like this is 100% about individual food choices and ignoring the innumerable other factors involved you are actually moralising and oversimplifying an extremely complex problem. You merely calling high calorie food “horrible,” is a moral characterization, then you turn around and call overweight people lazy. You are too busy feeling superior to understand the conversation in this thread.

Your post is a total disaster. You're obsessed with portraying yourself as a victim. Please tell us about the innumerable other factors that have turned our society into a bunch of butterballs.

Let’s look at some of the deliberate policy decisions that have led to an obesity epidemic in the US and contrast to our European counterparts who DON’T have these problems:

1. An emphasis on cars and far flung suburbs where the average person cannot conceivably walk anywhere they would want to go
2. Light regulations on the chemicals in our food air and water that cause endocrine disruption and may lead to conditions like PCOS which have a major impact on weight
3. The massive subsidisation of corn, which leads to unhealthy corn based foods being far cheaper than actual produce
4. A highly dysfunctional healthcare system where people do not seek medical care until they have a crisis level issue
5. A culture that emphasizes long working hours without time to rest, reflect, exercise, or prepare healthy foods, no mandatory paid leave

Also, I’m fit, healthy, and have empathy and an education that allows me to see what this is: a policy and healthcare issue, not a moral one.

This is a perfect example of someone in academia who can't see the forest for the trees. Their ideology is bordering on cult like behavior. No such thing as poor decision making affecting your health. Nope. Nope. I guess they don't see the hoards of people lined up to buy a double barf burger, grande sugary drink, and massive bag full of greasy fries.

Of course there is poor decision making! That doesn't happen in a vacuum. People are nudged toward certain decisions based on environment. We can't legislate people making better decisions, we can help create those circumstances though

This is not helpful. Obesity isn't caused by some sort of moral failing.

I think we can all agree that eating less results in weight loss. The new drugs help people eat less and they lose weight. These drugs will not eliminate obesity because they are a treatment. Most people will still need to be overweight and then continue on to obesity before they can get access to the drugs. Some people may never get access to the drugs due to costs. Some people may not want to take it because it is a shot that has to be taken weekly for life or they are not comfortable with the potential side effects. Also, the trials show that not all people have success with the drugs.

I'm not here to judge strangers. You have the right to be fit or obese and take medication to help with any and all of your issues What is so surprising about this thread is the anger and people who insist that lifestyle changes don't work. They may not work for you or someone you know, but they absolutely do work. Just like the drugs may work for some, but not for all.

To eliminate obesity we need to focus on prevention.

I don't think the disagreement is about whether a lifestyle change can, in some circumstances, result in sustained weight loss. Of course it can. But diet and exercise alone fails for the vast majority of people because the lifestyle change needed is too extreme to maintain.

And sure, you can say over and over again that it CAN work in theory and give examples of situations where it has, but everyone knows it isn't realistic for the vast majority of the population to lose weight that way. If it was, they would have the lost the weight already bc people have been preaching diet and exercise at overweight people nonstop for decades.

DP, but I think this is where the question of choices comes into play. I don't believe that every overweight/obese person has actually tried lifestyle changes. There are places where the majority of friends and family are all obese and it seems "normal." There is the fat acceptance movement that is putting fat models in ads. There is continued new offerings of tasty foods to tempt people. I am sure some people don't even care or try to lose weight, they think YOLO or are in denial that they have an issue when they see others around them are all the same (large) size. And of course, there are those who can't afford healthy food, who can't cook because of lack of ability or facilities, who are poor and spend all their energy just surviving without regard to nutrition. Some people just can't make it work for whatever reason. But the point is, just because we've all heard the message to diet and exercise doesn't mean people are actually following the advice. So the fact that so many are obese is not evidence that all of them tried diet and exercise and it didn't work.

Also, there is is the issue of mixed messaging over the decades that has probably damaged people who actually DID try to pay attention. Like 12 servings of grains a day, but no eggs! Diet advice has flip-flopped so much over the years, and even still there are disagreements. So I don't blame people for being confused and thinking why even bother trying?

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The truth is, a lot of people *don’t* understand the calories in foods and how that relates to their own energy needs. I’m not talking about posters on this thread, just the general population. And then there are people that do understand, but have excessive hunger or other reasons for overeating.

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Anonymous wrote:The truth is, a lot of people *don’t* understand the calories in foods and how that relates to their own energy needs. I’m not talking about posters on this thread, just the general population. And then there are people that do understand, but have excessive hunger or other reasons for overeating.

I get that feeling every time I drive by McDonalds and smell those glorious freedom fries! YOLO baby!!

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Anonymous wrote:I trust “science” more than the morons in this thread, I guess.

+1 We learned why people become obese in 7th grade science class.

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Anonymous wrote:It's only good for weight loss while you're taking it. As soon as you stop taking it, the weight comes right back.

Bingo!

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Anonymous wrote:The truth is, a lot of people *don’t* understand the calories in foods and how that relates to their own energy needs. I’m not talking about posters on this thread, just the general population. And then there are people that do understand, but have excessive hunger or other reasons for overeating.

I don’t disagree that a lot of people don’t have a good grasp, but I don’t think it’s relevant to our current obesity situation. As a population we understand our energy needs better than ever before in human history and yet we are the fattest we’ve ever been. Most people understood nothing about calories in foods and their energy needs even 50 years ago, and they still were much less fat. The average person knew much much less about calories and energy expenditure and didn’t have the luxury of the information at their fingertips the way we do. People, for the most part, ate according to their hunger and that was enough for 90% of people’s weight to remain relatively stable for their whole life. Why they were able to do that and the people of today are not is something we don’t fully understand.