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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.[/quote]

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid? [/quote]

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.[/quote]

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese. [/quote]

Pp and others who believe people need to just suck it up and eat healthy believe that obesity is a moral failing, not a medical problem.  The rest of us are over here talking about this from a policy and health perspective and they are in another place.[/quote]

I would say you are definitely on another planet, no doubt. Your argument about obesity being a "moral failing" is hogwash. Choosing to eat horrible food is simply a choice and has nothing to do with morality. Same thing goes for refusing to exercise. I guess some people would call it laziness, but calling it a moral failing is a huge stretch. [/quote]

By acting like this is 100% about individual food choices and ignoring the innumerable other factors involved you are actually moralising and oversimplifying an extremely complex problem.  You merely calling high calorie food “horrible,” is a moral characterization, then you turn around and call overweight people lazy.  You are too busy feeling superior to understand the conversation in this thread.  [/quote]

Your post is a total disaster. You're obsessed with portraying yourself as a victim. Please tell us about the innumerable other factors that have turned our society into a bunch of butterballs.[/quote]

Let’s look at some of the deliberate policy decisions that have led to an obesity epidemic in the US and contrast to our European counterparts who DON’T have these problems:

1.  An emphasis on cars and far flung suburbs where the average person cannot conceivably walk anywhere they would want to go
2.  Light regulations on the chemicals in our food air and water that cause endocrine disruption and may lead to conditions like PCOS which have a major impact on weight
3.  The massive subsidisation of corn, which leads to unhealthy corn based foods being far cheaper than actual produce
4.  A highly dysfunctional healthcare system where people do not seek medical care until they have a crisis level issue
5.  A culture that emphasizes long working hours without time to rest, reflect, exercise, or prepare healthy foods, no mandatory paid leave

Also, I’m fit, healthy, and have empathy and an education that allows me to see what this is: a policy and healthcare issue, not a moral one.[/quote]

This is a perfect example of someone in academia who can't see the forest for the trees. Their ideology is bordering on cult like behavior. No such thing as poor decision making affecting your health. Nope. Nope. I guess they don't see the hoards of people lined up to buy a double barf burger, grande sugary drink, and massive bag full of greasy fries. [/quote]

[b]Of course there is poor decision making![/b]  That doesn't happen in a vacuum.  People are nudged toward certain decisions based on environment.  We can't legislate people making better decisions, we can help create those circumstances though[/quote]

This is not helpful. Obesity isn't caused by some sort of moral failing.[/quote]

I think we can all agree that eating less results in weight loss. The new drugs help people eat less and they lose weight. These drugs will not eliminate obesity because they are a treatment. Most people will still need to be overweight and then continue on to obesity before they can get access to the drugs. Some people may never get access to the drugs due to costs. Some people may not want to take it because it is a shot that has to be taken weekly for life or they are not comfortable with the potential side effects. Also, the trials show that not all people have success with the drugs.

I'm not here to judge strangers. You have the right to be fit or obese and take medication to help with any and all of your issues What is so surprising about this thread is the anger and [b]people who insist that lifestyle changes don't work[/b]. They may not work for you or someone you know, but they absolutely do work. Just like the drugs may work for some, but not for all.

To eliminate obesity we need to focus on prevention.[/quote]

I don't think the disagreement is about whether a lifestyle change can, in some circumstances, result in sustained weight loss.  Of course it can.  But diet and exercise alone fails for the vast majority of people because the lifestyle change needed is too extreme to maintain.

And sure, you can say over and over again that it CAN work in theory and give examples of situations where it has, but everyone knows it isn't realistic for the vast majority of the population to lose weight that way.  If it was, they would have the lost the weight already bc people have been preaching diet and exercise at overweight people nonstop for decades.  [/quote]

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