Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is hysterical that the “it’s willpower” crowd has resorted to “but but but Drew Carey” for their arguments, because they’ve got nothing else.

At least he hasn't resorted to getting a shot to lose weight. He had the discipline to stick with a healthy diet and exercise routine. He looks hot!

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is hysterical that the “it’s willpower” crowd has resorted to “but but but Drew Carey” for their arguments, because they’ve got nothing else.

At least he hasn't resorted to getting a shot to lose weight. He had the discipline to stick with a healthy diet and exercise routine. He looks hot!

Haha you really believe that? You are dumber than I thought and that’s saying something.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is hysterical that the “it’s willpower” crowd has resorted to “but but but Drew Carey” for their arguments, because they’ve got nothing else.

At least he hasn't resorted to getting a shot to lose weight. He had the discipline to stick with a healthy diet and exercise routine. He looks hot!

Haha you really believe that? You are dumber than I thought and that’s saying something.

Lolol....exactly. He had WLS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think obesity breaks something (hormones possibly or metabolism?) that can’t be fixed without drugs. It is why even stomach bands don’t work for most obese people - they are still hungry and can’t be satiated even though their stomach is smaller

Obesity is a symptom is something abnormal on a psychological level. Once someone becomes obese and stays obese, then it turns into a medical problem. But the root of it is psychological. A neurotypical person that indulges too much and can't fit into their clothes would say, wow, better stop eating so much- and then actually be able to do it. But some people just can't and continue on gaining and gaining. Then once obesity sets in, you are right, they can't go back and turn the corner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i'm on one of these drugs, mainly for an elevated A1C (diabetes test). My BMI was in the middle of the overweight category when I stared but I was never obese
(rather just chubby--picture a mom of 3 with the small spare tire type of shape).
It's fascinating what the medication does to my appetite--I simply do not get hungry and when I do eat I immediately lose interest in what I'm eating.
I actually find myself getting depressed on the med because the joy of eating is pretty much gone. You know the fun of going out to a new restaurant?
Enjoying an interesting meal? Savoring something that tastes good? All of this is gone and I miss enjoying these things (if that makes sense).

It makes sense.

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2022/nov/09/i-miss-eating-weight-loss-drug-ozempic-food-repulsive

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Anonymous wrote:I think obesity breaks something (hormones possibly or metabolism?) that can’t be fixed without drugs. It is why even stomach bands don’t work for most obese people - they are still hungry and can’t be satiated even though their stomach is smaller

Obesity is a symptom is something abnormal on a psychological level. Once someone becomes obese and stays obese, then it turns into a medical problem. But the root of it is psychological. A neurotypical person that indulges too much and can't fit into their clothes would say, wow, better stop eating so much- and then actually be able to do it. But some people just can't and continue on gaining and gaining. Then once obesity sets in, you are right, they can't go back and turn the corner.

So what’s caused the drastic increase in the psychological condition in the last 40 years?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is hysterical that the “it’s willpower” crowd has resorted to “but but but Drew Carey” for their arguments, because they’ve got nothing else.

At least he hasn't resorted to getting a shot to lose weight. He had the discipline to stick with a healthy diet and exercise routine. He looks hot!

Haha you really believe that? You are dumber than I thought and that’s saying something.

Lolol....exactly. He had WLS.

Not according to Drew

https://www.ctvnews.ca/drew-carey-gives-the-skinny-on-his-weight-loss-1.582140

Please only post factual information on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is hysterical that the “it’s willpower” crowd has resorted to “but but but Drew Carey” for their arguments, because they’ve got nothing else.

At least he hasn't resorted to getting a shot to lose weight. He had the discipline to stick with a healthy diet and exercise routine. He looks hot!

Haha you really believe that? You are dumber than I thought and that’s saying something.

Lolol....exactly. He had WLS.

Not according to Drew

https://www.ctvnews.ca/drew-carey-gives-the-skinny-on-his-weight-loss-1.582140

Please only post factual information on this thread.

I. Don't. Believe. Him. And he doesn't have to share. But anyone that has had WLS, has physical signs that are pretty obvious to recognize especially right after the surgery and the onset of the weight loss. And he had them all. And there's no shame in that. But anyone that believes he didn't have surgery, just doesn't want. Also okay.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is hysterical that the “it’s willpower” crowd has resorted to “but but but Drew Carey” for their arguments, because they’ve got nothing else.

At least he hasn't resorted to getting a shot to lose weight. He had the discipline to stick with a healthy diet and exercise routine. He looks hot!

Haha you really believe that? You are dumber than I thought and that’s saying something.

Lolol....exactly. He had WLS.

Not according to Drew

https://www.ctvnews.ca/drew-carey-gives-the-skinny-on-his-weight-loss-1.582140

Please only post factual information on this thread.

I. Don't. Believe. Him. And he doesn't have to share. But anyone that has had WLS, has physical signs that are pretty obvious to recognize especially right after the surgery and the onset of the weight loss. And he had them all. And there's no shame in that. But anyone that believes he didn't have surgery, just doesn't want. Also okay.

There are no physical signs that someone had weight loss surgery (other than scars which presumably you haven’t seen Carey’s. I think he got WLS too, more than once actually, but you can’t tell by looking at him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think obesity breaks something (hormones possibly or metabolism?) that can’t be fixed without drugs. It is why even stomach bands don’t work for most obese people - they are still hungry and can’t be satiated even though their stomach is smaller

Obesity is a symptom is something abnormal on a psychological level. Once someone becomes obese and stays obese, then it turns into a medical problem. But the root of it is psychological. A neurotypical person that indulges too much and can't fit into their clothes would say, wow, better stop eating so much- and then actually be able to do it. But some people just can't and continue on gaining and gaining. Then once obesity sets in, you are right, they can't go back and turn the corner.

Really? Because two-thirds or more of Americans are overweight or obese, so are you suggesting that a majority of Americans aren't "neurotypical" or have "something abnormal on a psychological level"?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is hysterical that the “it’s willpower” crowd has resorted to “but but but Drew Carey” for their arguments, because they’ve got nothing else.

At least he hasn't resorted to getting a shot to lose weight. He had the discipline to stick with a healthy diet and exercise routine. He looks hot!

Haha you really believe that? You are dumber than I thought and that’s saying something.

Lolol....exactly. He had WLS.

Not according to Drew

https://www.ctvnews.ca/drew-carey-gives-the-skinny-on-his-weight-loss-1.582140

Please only post factual information on this thread.

I. Don't. Believe. Him. And he doesn't have to share. But anyone that has had WLS, has physical signs that are pretty obvious to recognize especially right after the surgery and the onset of the weight loss. And he had them all. And there's no shame in that. But anyone that believes he didn't have surgery, just doesn't want. Also okay.

There are no physical signs that someone had weight loss surgery (other than scars which presumably you haven’t seen Carey’s. I think he got WLS too, more than once actually, but you can’t tell by looking at him.

We can agree to disagree. But as someone who works in a hospital where I see these patients everyday, I have a different opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is hysterical that the “it’s willpower” crowd has resorted to “but but but Drew Carey” for their arguments, because they’ve got nothing else.

At least he hasn't resorted to getting a shot to lose weight. He had the discipline to stick with a healthy diet and exercise routine. He looks hot!

Haha you really believe that? You are dumber than I thought and that’s saying something.

Lolol....exactly. He had WLS.

Not according to Drew

https://www.ctvnews.ca/drew-carey-gives-the-skinny-on-his-weight-loss-1.582140

Please only post factual information on this thread.

I. Don't. Believe. Him. And he doesn't have to share. But anyone that has had WLS, has physical signs that are pretty obvious to recognize especially right after the surgery and the onset of the weight loss. And he had them all. And there's no shame in that. But anyone that believes he didn't have surgery, just doesn't want. Also okay.

There are no physical signs that someone had weight loss surgery (other than scars which presumably you haven’t seen Carey’s. I think he got WLS too, more than once actually, but you can’t tell by looking at him.

We can agree to disagree. But as someone who works in a hospital where I see these patients everyday, I have a different opinion.

I mean, there are physical signs that someone had lost a lot of weight obviously, but whether that’s through surgery, drugs, or diet and exercise you can’t tell the difference.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is hysterical that the “it’s willpower” crowd has resorted to “but but but Drew Carey” for their arguments, because they’ve got nothing else.

At least he hasn't resorted to getting a shot to lose weight. He had the discipline to stick with a healthy diet and exercise routine. He looks hot!

Haha you really believe that? You are dumber than I thought and that’s saying something.

Lolol....exactly. He had WLS.

Not according to Drew

https://www.ctvnews.ca/drew-carey-gives-the-skinny-on-his-weight-loss-1.582140

Please only post factual information on this thread.

I. Don't. Believe. Him. And he doesn't have to share. But anyone that has had WLS, has physical signs that are pretty obvious to recognize especially right after the surgery and the onset of the weight loss. And he had them all. And there's no shame in that. But anyone that believes he didn't have surgery, just doesn't want. Also okay.

There are no physical signs that someone had weight loss surgery (other than scars which presumably you haven’t seen Carey’s. I think he got WLS too, more than once actually, but you can’t tell by looking at him.

We can agree to disagree. But as someone who works in a hospital where I see these patients everyday, I have a different opinion.

I mean, there are physical signs that someone had lost a lot of weight obviously, but whether that’s through surgery, drugs, or diet and exercise you can’t tell the difference.

Ok. If you say so.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Pp and others who believe people need to just suck it up and eat healthy believe that obesity is a moral failing, not a medical problem. The rest of us are over here talking about this from a policy and health perspective and they are in another place.

I would say you are definitely on another planet, no doubt. Your argument about obesity being a "moral failing" is hogwash. Choosing to eat horrible food is simply a choice and has nothing to do with morality. Same thing goes for refusing to exercise. I guess some people would call it laziness, but calling it a moral failing is a huge stretch.

By acting like this is 100% about individual food choices and ignoring the innumerable other factors involved you are actually moralising and oversimplifying an extremely complex problem. You merely calling high calorie food “horrible,” is a moral characterization, then you turn around and call overweight people lazy. You are too busy feeling superior to understand the conversation in this thread.

Your post is a total disaster. You're obsessed with portraying yourself as a victim. Please tell us about the innumerable other factors that have turned our society into a bunch of butterballs.

Let’s look at some of the deliberate policy decisions that have led to an obesity epidemic in the US and contrast to our European counterparts who DON’T have these problems:

1. An emphasis on cars and far flung suburbs where the average person cannot conceivably walk anywhere they would want to go
2. Light regulations on the chemicals in our food air and water that cause endocrine disruption and may lead to conditions like PCOS which have a major impact on weight
3. The massive subsidisation of corn, which leads to unhealthy corn based foods being far cheaper than actual produce
4. A highly dysfunctional healthcare system where people do not seek medical care until they have a crisis level issue
5. A culture that emphasizes long working hours without time to rest, reflect, exercise, or prepare healthy foods, no mandatory paid leave

Also, I’m fit, healthy, and have empathy and an education that allows me to see what this is: a policy and healthcare issue, not a moral one.

This is a perfect example of someone in academia who can't see the forest for the trees. Their ideology is bordering on cult like behavior. No such thing as poor decision making affecting your health. Nope. Nope. I guess they don't see the hoards of people lined up to buy a double barf burger, grande sugary drink, and massive bag full of greasy fries.

Of course there is poor decision making! That doesn't happen in a vacuum. People are nudged toward certain decisions based on environment. We can't legislate people making better decisions, we can help create those circumstances though

This is not helpful. Obesity isn't caused by some sort of moral failing.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Pp and others who believe people need to just suck it up and eat healthy believe that obesity is a moral failing, not a medical problem. The rest of us are over here talking about this from a policy and health perspective and they are in another place.

I would say you are definitely on another planet, no doubt. Your argument about obesity being a "moral failing" is hogwash. Choosing to eat horrible food is simply a choice and has nothing to do with morality. Same thing goes for refusing to exercise. I guess some people would call it laziness, but calling it a moral failing is a huge stretch.

By acting like this is 100% about individual food choices and ignoring the innumerable other factors involved you are actually moralising and oversimplifying an extremely complex problem. You merely calling high calorie food “horrible,” is a moral characterization, then you turn around and call overweight people lazy. You are too busy feeling superior to understand the conversation in this thread.

Your post is a total disaster. You're obsessed with portraying yourself as a victim. Please tell us about the innumerable other factors that have turned our society into a bunch of butterballs.

Let’s look at some of the deliberate policy decisions that have led to an obesity epidemic in the US and contrast to our European counterparts who DON’T have these problems:

1. An emphasis on cars and far flung suburbs where the average person cannot conceivably walk anywhere they would want to go
2. Light regulations on the chemicals in our food air and water that cause endocrine disruption and may lead to conditions like PCOS which have a major impact on weight
3. The massive subsidisation of corn, which leads to unhealthy corn based foods being far cheaper than actual produce
4. A highly dysfunctional healthcare system where people do not seek medical care until they have a crisis level issue
5. A culture that emphasizes long working hours without time to rest, reflect, exercise, or prepare healthy foods, no mandatory paid leave

Also, I’m fit, healthy, and have empathy and an education that allows me to see what this is: a policy and healthcare issue, not a moral one.

This is a perfect example of someone in academia who can't see the forest for the trees. Their ideology is bordering on cult like behavior. No such thing as poor decision making affecting your health. Nope. Nope. I guess they don't see the hoards of people lined up to buy a double barf burger, grande sugary drink, and massive bag full of greasy fries.

Of course there is poor decision making! That doesn't happen in a vacuum. People are nudged toward certain decisions based on environment. We can't legislate people making better decisions, we can help create those circumstances though

This is not helpful. Obesity isn't caused by some sort of moral failing.

I don't consider it a moral failing to make a poor decision. What I meant is, in perfect controlled circumstances, many (probably most) obese people could get to a normal weight through diet and exercise and maintain it. But we don't live in perfect controlled circumstances, we live in reality, and in reality diet and exercise alone don't work long-term for the vast majority of people. And I totally agree that the "set point" for different bodies is different and obese and overweight people have to fight much harder to get the same result as someone who is naturally thinner.

My point is, all the people saying "just do diet and exercise!" are making a suggestion that is not going to be effective for the vast majority of people, and they know that, but for some reason, they want to keep arguing that it COULD work, if only people were different, which they aren't. And I just don't think it's worth arguing about.