Cops in TX tackle & block desperate parents, while they let shooter rampage thru the school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like there is only one solution: let teachers and administrators pack heat.

It wouldn’t have helped in this case. The shooter had the element of surprise - he was at the door when the teacher went to lock it and then he shot out the window in the door. When would the teacher have had time to retrieve a firearm? She was dead within a second or two.

Stop it with these dumb fantasies. The gunmen always have the advantage of surprise. Look at the Navy Yard massacre - the gunmen killed the two armed guards at the gatehouse.

Video shows he went into the main school building through a propped open door. In this case, he was already shooting across the street so there was no element of surprise. She had time to get her phone. No criticism of her, just correcting your post re: timeline.

You're both right and wrong. I believe they were two different incidents since both were talked about in the same briefing.

It’s all very confusing. Why was the door propped open?

My guess is that someone popped outside to figure out what the commotion was and the foot stop dropped when they went back in. There's a lot of room for interpretation in the phrase "propped open" and it is clear that the cops are desperately trying to shift some of the blame so an implied exaggeration is par for the course. Remember all the shifting language about the initial response and "barricaded" in reference to a locked door.

[Anonymous]

These cops are profoundly incompetent. From chasing him into the school, to standing around as children died. Worthless. They never thought they’d actually have to do anything, did they? They dressed up in their tough guy outfits every day and cashed their paychecks.

[Anonymous]

Are we seriously going to argue about an open propped door??? What was stopping him from shooting the door down? That’s what he did to the classroom door. Stop making lame excuses and wondering if the open door is what caused this massacre. It was the assault weapon! It’s always the assault weapon!

[Anonymous]

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... The police on the scene put a mother in handcuffs as she begged them to go in and save her children. They blocked parents trying to organize to charge in to stop the shooter, including a father who learned his daughter was murdered while he argued with the cops...

These cops need to be prosecuted. What a pack of incompetent clowns.

[Anonymous]

Funny how all this time we never needed good guys to even have guns we just needed them to be motivated those parents were willing to run in with no guns and take on an active.

We have the one thing that the Republicans sore would save us all which is more guns didn't do a damn thing and stood in a parking lot for an hour.

[Anonymous]

The cops should be ashamed and their SWAT team needs to be dismantled because it's obvious that they are not worth the money spent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are we seriously going to argue about an open propped door??? What was stopping him from shooting the door down? That’s what he did to the classroom door. Stop making lame excuses and wondering if the open door is what caused this massacre. It was the assault weapon! It’s always the assault weapon!

And a man. It’s always a man.

[Anonymous]

The classrooms face outside and it is hot in south texas schools with shitty AC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like there is only one solution: let teachers and administrators pack heat.

It wouldn’t have helped in this case. The shooter had the element of surprise - he was at the door when the teacher went to lock it and then he shot out the window in the door. When would the teacher have had time to retrieve a firearm? She was dead within a second or two.

Stop it with these dumb fantasies. The gunmen always have the advantage of surprise. Look at the Navy Yard massacre - the gunmen killed the two armed guards at the gatehouse.

Video shows he went into the main school building through a propped open door. In this case, he was already shooting across the street so there was no element of surprise. She had time to get her phone. No criticism of her, just correcting your post re: timeline.

You're both right and wrong. I believe they were two different incidents since both were talked about in the same briefing.

It’s all very confusing. Why was the door propped open?

And also what kind of sale on assault weapons were they having at the gun store where he (the school shooter) bought the two rifles the week before? Was there any kind of special deal on extended (30 round) clips?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These cops are profoundly incompetent. From chasing him into the school, to standing around as children died. Worthless. They never thought they’d actually have to do anything, did they? They dressed up in their tough guy outfits every day and cashed their paychecks.

Protocol is protocol, civilian.

From the manual:

1) Chase armed assailant into school.
2) Once assailant is safely inside school with children, establish "secure perimeter" around facility.
3) With perimeter established, turn toward parents and others trying to render aid. As necessary, use tasers, pepper spray, chokeholds as necessary to repel access.

Throughout steps 1-3 use the word "tactical" a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

... The police on the scene put a mother in handcuffs as she begged them to go in and save her children. They blocked parents trying to organize to charge in to stop the shooter, including a father who learned his daughter was murdered while he argued with the cops...

These cops need to be prosecuted. What a pack of incompetent clowns.

I can’t imagine the agony of being a parent physically restrained by cops while your baby is terrified and dying in a school a hundred yards away. I honestly might by an assault rifle myself and go shoot the cops who held me back. The rage and anger would consume me.

[Anonymous]

I would have had some create a distraction so others could get past and get in there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would have had some create a distraction so others could get past and get in there.

I believe one of the moms who was initially held down was able to jump a fence and get her kids out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would have had some create a distraction so others could get past and get in there.

uh-huh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would have had some create a distraction so others could get past and get in there.

I believe one of the moms who was initially held down was able to jump a fence and get her kids out.

Yes. That seems completely possible to me. Anyone that has a child in school could relate to wanting to get in to help the children and desperately wanting to get past anyone trying to stop them.