Cops in TX tackle & block desperate parents, while they let shooter rampage thru the school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would have had some create a distraction so others could get past and get in there.

uh-huh

NP, I know there is often grandstanding on this board and it’s hard to say with certainty what someone would do when faced with mortal danger but I do think a large percentage of parents would do anything they could to save their child in this situation. In fact most parents would die without hesitation to save their child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would have had some create a distraction so others could get past and get in there.

uh-huh

NP, I know there is often grandstanding on this board and it’s hard to say with certainty what someone would do when faced with mortal danger but I do think a large percentage of parents would do anything they could to save their child in this situation. In fact most parents would die without hesitation to save their child.

The point is, there were parents being wrestled with and pepper sprayed by cops determined to defend the "perimeter"... as the shots kept ringing out.

I'm sure they (the parents) tried to "create diversions" too. It didn't work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These cops are profoundly incompetent. From chasing him into the school, to standing around as children died. Worthless. They never thought they’d actually have to do anything, did they? They dressed up in their tough guy outfits every day and cashed their paychecks.

Protocol is protocol, civilian.

From the manual:

1) Chase armed assailant into school.
2) Once assailant is safely inside school with children, establish "secure perimeter" around facility.
3) With perimeter established, turn toward parents and others trying to render aid. As necessary, use tasers, pepper spray, chokeholds as necessary to repel access.

Throughout steps 1-3 use the word "tactical" a lot.

Puff chest out and look serious. Wonder what’s for lunch.

[Anonymous]

George Floyd is suffocated by police & the GOP supports the cops.

Kyle Rittenhouse executes 2 protestors & the GOP makes him a hero.

Cops wait outside as 21 people are murdered in school. GOP blames Dems.

Kaepernick takes a knee to protest cop brutality & GOP vilifies him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would have had some create a distraction so others could get past and get in there.

uh-huh

NP, I know there is often grandstanding on this board and it’s hard to say with certainty what someone would do when faced with mortal danger but I do think a large percentage of parents would do anything they could to save their child in this situation. In fact most parents would die without hesitation to save their child.

+1
It’s possible the police would have had to shoot me in the back to stop me from running in there. I can’t imagine the helpless horror those poor kids and parents felt. Extra cruel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like there is only one solution: let teachers and administrators pack heat.

It wouldn’t have helped in this case. The shooter had the element of surprise - he was at the door when the teacher went to lock it and then he shot out the window in the door. When would the teacher have had time to retrieve a firearm? She was dead within a second or two.

Stop it with these dumb fantasies. The gunmen always have the advantage of surprise. Look at the Navy Yard massacre - the gunmen killed the two armed guards at the gatehouse.

Video shows he went into the main school building through a propped open door. In this case, he was already shooting across the street so there was no element of surprise. She had time to get her phone. No criticism of her, just correcting your post re: timeline.

You're both right and wrong. I believe they were two different incidents since both were talked about in the same briefing.

It’s all very confusing. Why was the door propped open?

My guess is that someone popped outside to figure out what the commotion was and the foot stop dropped when they went back in. There's a lot of room for interpretation in the phrase "propped open" and it is clear that the cops are desperately trying to shift some of the blame so an implied exaggeration is par for the course. Remember all the shifting language about the initial response and "barricaded" in reference to a locked door.

Your guess is wrong. Video shows it open prior to the teacher going out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like there is only one solution: let teachers and administrators pack heat.

It wouldn’t have helped in this case. The shooter had the element of surprise - he was at the door when the teacher went to lock it and then he shot out the window in the door. When would the teacher have had time to retrieve a firearm? She was dead within a second or two.

Stop it with these dumb fantasies. The gunmen always have the advantage of surprise. Look at the Navy Yard massacre - the gunmen killed the two armed guards at the gatehouse.

Video shows he went into the main school building through a propped open door. In this case, he was already shooting across the street so there was no element of surprise. She had time to get her phone. No criticism of her, just correcting your post re: timeline.

You're both right and wrong. I believe they were two different incidents since both were talked about in the same briefing.

It’s all very confusing. Why was the door propped open?

My guess is that someone popped outside to figure out what the commotion was and the foot stop dropped when they went back in. There's a lot of room for interpretation in the phrase "propped open" and it is clear that the cops are desperately trying to shift some of the blame so an implied exaggeration is par for the course. Remember all the shifting language about the initial response and "barricaded" in reference to a locked door.

Your guess is wrong. Video shows it open prior to the teacher going out.

Have they released the videos? It's masochistic but for some reason I really want to see exactly what those 19 cops were doing in the hallway for an hour.

[Anonymous]

Omg 100’s o about white old dudes standing outside that school while they rescued their own kids listening to the screams of those children

Every single one of those men should be fired.

Anyone who thinks we should not have common sense guns laws you and the other MAGA idiots leave the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Omg 100’s o about white old dudes standing outside that school while they rescued their own kids listening to the screams of those children

Every single one of those men should be fired.

Anyone who thinks we should not have common sense guns laws you and the other MAGA idiots leave the US.

They should be sent to jail for the rest of their lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Omg 100’s o about white old dudes standing outside that school while they rescued their own kids listening to the screams of those children

Every single one of those men should be fired.

Anyone who thinks we should not have common sense guns laws you and the other MAGA idiots leave the US.

Why do you want common sense gun laws? The time for that has past. Getting “common” sense gun laws will take the same time and energy as banned guns and ammo. Just go for a total ban. It’s the only thing that makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Omg 100’s o about white old dudes standing outside that school while they rescued their own kids listening to the screams of those children

Every single one of those men should be fired.

Anyone who thinks we should not have common sense guns laws you and the other MAGA idiots leave the US.

Why do you want common sense gun laws? The time for that has past. Getting “common” sense gun laws will take the same time and energy as banned guns and ammo. Just go for a total ban. It’s the only thing that makes sense.

Yeah, I’m done with trying to reach a compromise. It’s been decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Omg 100’s o about white old dudes standing outside that school while they rescued their own kids listening to the screams of those children

Every single one of those men should be fired.

Anyone who thinks we should not have common sense guns laws you and the other MAGA idiots leave the US.

Totally agree. They are complicit murderers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like there is only one solution: let teachers and administrators pack heat.

It wouldn’t have helped in this case. The shooter had the element of surprise - he was at the door when the teacher went to lock it and then he shot out the window in the door. When would the teacher have had time to retrieve a firearm? She was dead within a second or two.

Stop it with these dumb fantasies. The gunmen always have the advantage of surprise. Look at the Navy Yard massacre - the gunmen killed the two armed guards at the gatehouse.

Video shows he went into the main school building through a propped open door. In this case, he was already shooting across the street so there was no element of surprise. She had time to get her phone. No criticism of her, just correcting your post re: timeline.

You're both right and wrong. I believe they were two different incidents since both were talked about in the same briefing.

It’s all very confusing. Why was the door propped open?

My guess is that someone popped outside to figure out what the commotion was and the foot stop dropped when they went back in. There's a lot of room for interpretation in the phrase "propped open" and it is clear that the cops are desperately trying to shift some of the blame so an implied exaggeration is par for the course. Remember all the shifting language about the initial response and "barricaded" in reference to a locked door.

Your guess is wrong. Video shows it open prior to the teacher going out.

+1 PP, assault weapons don't kill people, propped-open doors do. Stand tall, Republicans.

[Anonymous]

I mean is this any different than what Black people have been saying for literally years? That the cops are murderers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean is this any different than what Black people have been saying for literally years? That the cops are murderers?

Um... The assault weapons-armed shooters are the murderers. The cops just stood around and did nothing while it was going on. They were afraid of getting shot... by an assault weapon. (They turn people into mush.)

and Republicans think there's no problem.