DDOT's latest plan to destroy traffic, Georgia Avenue edition

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Yes, I will own the idea that I object to government making it harder for people to use their cars, a mode of transportation that people clearly prefer. I have lived in MoCo for 30+ years and we have seen government continually try to move people to public transit by making their lives miserable. So far, it hasn't worked. Honestly, we know all of you hate Maryland commuters, but I don't think your city thrives if you make everyone want to stop going there.

See, not trying to get people to stop "going here". Trying to curtail their ability to operate their vehicles at double or more the speed limit on pedestrian-dense roads.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Or maybe. Just maybe. These ideas you are pushing are not popular among the population at large and would have a host of negative consequences.

Asking what has happened on 16th since these exact same measures were implemented in 2021 is not radical, obstructionist. whining, moaning or any other epithets you wish to spew. It is common sense and the basic foundation of sound policy making.

I am sorry that your deep seated hatred of fellow Washingtonians, general misanthropy, and evangelical zeal has clouded your judgement to such an extent that you feel personally threatened by such anodyne questions. I would never have imagined that such simple questions could engender a mental break. But here we are.

I'm the PP from before. I'm not against seeing what's happened with other protected bus-ways, at least, since the enforcement from the cameras on the buses has actually started. I would offer that it hasn't REALLY started yet, because its only this past week that DC is able to actually enforce jack shit against MD and VA drivers.

But anyway, you're just pulling the regular old "what-about-ism" that comes up on these threads. If DDOT were to produce those stats and they demonstrated a rise in bus ridership, a reduction in bus through-corridor times, then you'd start in making up all the reasons why 16th and GA or Penn Ave and GA or H St and GA aren't comparable. Just like when cyclists/DDOT brought up large numbers of studies - including local ones - that demonstrated ridership increases and safety improvements of bike lanes.

Because you don't actually give a shit. You just want to block the project.

Obstructionist jerk.

The projection and lying is unreal. How can someone be so aggressive and yet such a victim?

I mainly care about the spillover traffic and the safety issues that causes. I care because I use these roads. The numers for both of those things should be artificially lower from the lack of enforcement and initially lower post-pandemic traffic amounts.

Do you also use Georgia Avenue? Are you also concerned about safety issues on Georgia Avenue?

Also, if you're concerned about safety issues from spillover cars, because you use those streets, then you should support measures that will make those streets safer, such as speed humps and raised crosswalks. If you don't support such measures to make those streets safer, then you're not actually concerned about safety issues on those streets.

An average of *one* person dies each year on Georgia Avenue. Seems pretty safe TBH

I don't know about DC Georgia Avenue, but on MoCo Georgia Avenue, most of the pedestrian deaths are people running across the street in dark clothes at night. Bus lanes would just mean that they'd be hit by a bus instead of a car.

No, they're not. You are wrong on the facts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Yes, I will own the idea that I object to government making it harder for people to use their cars, a mode of transportation that people clearly prefer. I have lived in MoCo for 30+ years and we have seen government continually try to move people to public transit by making their lives miserable. So far, it hasn't worked. Honestly, we know all of you hate Maryland commuters, but I don't think your city thrives if you make everyone want to stop going there.

I'm a Maryland commuter, and I support the bus lanes on Georgia Avenue.

[Anonymous]

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Yes, I will own the idea that I object to government making it harder for people to use their cars, a mode of transportation that people clearly prefer. I have lived in MoCo for 30+ years and we have seen government continually try to move people to public transit by making their lives miserable. So far, it hasn't worked. Honestly, we know all of you hate Maryland commuters, but I don't think your city thrives if you make everyone want to stop going there.

Again, you don't live in DC. And as a 15+ year DC resident and taxpayer, I'm sick and f4cking tired of DC transportation policy catering to people who don't live here. And secondly, you are welcome in DC as long as DC doesn't revolve its transportation policy around your whims and you drive 25 mph instead of 40 mph and perhaps don't kill anyone with your vehicle.

But that's too much for you. You need completely unfettered ability to drive as fast as you want on GA Ave in DC with as little responsibility for driving your vehicle safely and with parking as cheap as possible. That's what you want. You awful subhuman pile of human excrement.

Stay out of DC if you don't like it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Yes, I will own the idea that I object to government making it harder for people to use their cars, a mode of transportation that people clearly prefer. I have lived in MoCo for 30+ years and we have seen government continually try to move people to public transit by making their lives miserable. So far, it hasn't worked. Honestly, we know all of you hate Maryland commuters, but I don't think your city thrives if you make everyone want to stop going there.

Again, you don't live in DC. And as a 15+ year DC resident and taxpayer, I'm sick and f4cking tired of DC transportation policy catering to people who don't live here. And secondly, you are welcome in DC as long as DC doesn't revolve its transportation policy around your whims and you drive 25 mph instead of 40 mph and perhaps don't kill anyone with your vehicle.

But that's too much for you. You need completely unfettered ability to drive as fast as you want on GA Ave in DC with as little responsibility for driving your vehicle safely and with parking as cheap as possible. That's what you want. You awful subhuman pile of human excrement.

Stay out of DC if you don't like it.

I live in DC and I think this plan is crazy.

There isn't a shred of evidence that DC's other bus only lanes have increased bus ridership.

What will happen is this plan will turn Georgia Avenue into a parking lot, which will redirect tens of thousands of drivers onto all the little streets of Petworth and Brightwood and all the other neighborhoods nearby. Those streets were never designed to accommodate so many cars. Have you been to Petworth? Petworth is mostly just little kids at this point, who would be put in immediate danger by this plan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yes, I will own the idea that I object to government making it harder for people to use their cars, a mode of transportation that people clearly prefer. I have lived in MoCo for 30+ years and we have seen government continually try to move people to public transit by making their lives miserable. So far, it hasn't worked. Honestly, we know all of you hate Maryland commuters, but I don't think your city thrives if you make everyone want to stop going there.

Again, you don't live in DC. And as a 15+ year DC resident and taxpayer, I'm sick and f4cking tired of DC transportation policy catering to people who don't live here. And secondly, you are welcome in DC as long as DC doesn't revolve its transportation policy around your whims and you drive 25 mph instead of 40 mph and perhaps don't kill anyone with your vehicle.

But that's too much for you. You need completely unfettered ability to drive as fast as you want on GA Ave in DC with as little responsibility for driving your vehicle safely and with parking as cheap as possible. That's what you want. You awful subhuman pile of human excrement.

Stay out of DC if you don't like it.

I live in DC and I think this plan is crazy.

There isn't a shred of evidence that DC's other bus only lanes have increased bus ridership.

What will happen is this plan will turn Georgia Avenue into a parking lot, which will redirect tens of thousands of drivers onto all the little streets of Petworth and Brightwood and all the other neighborhoods nearby. Those streets were never designed to accommodate so many cars. Have you been to Petworth? Petworth is mostly just little kids at this point, who would be put in immediate danger by this plan.

Yes, you've said that already, at least ten times. I guess it's good that you've revised it from "hundreds of thousands of drivers" to "tens of thousands of drivers".

Your concern is not about safety, though. It's about driver convenience.

[Anonymous]

Has anyone actually been on Georgia? In the past couple years, they've put in traffic lights at pretty much every single intersection. Between the ridiculous number of traffic lights and the many, many, many bus stops on Georgia, even a bus in a bus only lane will rarely be able to get up the speed limit. This plan seems divorced from reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Yes, I will own the idea that I object to government making it harder for people to use their cars, a mode of transportation that people clearly prefer. I have lived in MoCo for 30+ years and we have seen government continually try to move people to public transit by making their lives miserable. So far, it hasn't worked. Honestly, we know all of you hate Maryland commuters, but I don't think your city thrives if you make everyone want to stop going there.

The xenophobia directed at Marylanders is strange. The DC government couldnt function without them. Do people think teachers and cops and DDOT employees for that matter live in Friendship Heights? No, they live in Maryland.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone actually been on Georgia? In the past couple years, they've put in traffic lights at pretty much every single intersection. Between the ridiculous number of traffic lights and the many, many, many bus stops on Georgia, even a bus in a bus only lane will rarely be able to get up the speed limit. This plan seems divorced from reality.

Bus signal priority and bus queue jump lanes are two well-known, well-used strategies to solve those problems.

https://nacto.org/publication/transit-street-design-guide/intersections/signals-operations/active-transit-signal-priority/
https://nacto.org/publication/transit-street-design-guide/intersections/intersection-design/queue-jump-lanes/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Or maybe. Just maybe. These ideas you are pushing are not popular among the population at large and would have a host of negative consequences.

Asking what has happened on 16th since these exact same measures were implemented in 2021 is not radical, obstructionist. whining, moaning or any other epithets you wish to spew. It is common sense and the basic foundation of sound policy making.

I am sorry that your deep seated hatred of fellow Washingtonians, general misanthropy, and evangelical zeal has clouded your judgement to such an extent that you feel personally threatened by such anodyne questions. I would never have imagined that such simple questions could engender a mental break. But here we are.

I'm the PP from before. I'm not against seeing what's happened with other protected bus-ways, at least, since the enforcement from the cameras on the buses has actually started. I would offer that it hasn't REALLY started yet, because its only this past week that DC is able to actually enforce jack shit against MD and VA drivers.

But anyway, you're just pulling the regular old "what-about-ism" that comes up on these threads. If DDOT were to produce those stats and they demonstrated a rise in bus ridership, a reduction in bus through-corridor times, then you'd start in making up all the reasons why 16th and GA or Penn Ave and GA or H St and GA aren't comparable. Just like when cyclists/DDOT brought up large numbers of studies - including local ones - that demonstrated ridership increases and safety improvements of bike lanes.

Because you don't actually give a shit. You just want to block the project.

Obstructionist jerk.

The projection and lying is unreal. How can someone be so aggressive and yet such a victim?

I mainly care about the spillover traffic and the safety issues that causes. I care because I use these roads. The numers for both of those things should be artificially lower from the lack of enforcement and initially lower post-pandemic traffic amounts.

Do you also use Georgia Avenue? Are you also concerned about safety issues on Georgia Avenue?

Also, if you're concerned about safety issues from spillover cars, because you use those streets, then you should support measures that will make those streets safer, such as speed humps and raised crosswalks. If you don't support such measures to make those streets safer, then you're not actually concerned about safety issues on those streets.

An average of *one* person dies each year on Georgia Avenue. Seems pretty safe TBH

The biggest problem with Georgia Avenue is all the double parking. How about we ticket people who double park, and then traffic will move more quickly for everyone? Problem solved!

It's curious the city is somehow powerless to do anything about all the double parking on Georgia Avenue, but keeping people out of a bus lane on Georgia Avenue will be a cinch. In fact, the city has struggled to keep cars out of bus lanes since the first bus-only lane went in in 2019.

Everyone knows the bus only lanes in DC have never really been given a chance, even though we've had some of them for five years, because we only just started automated enforcement, also known as traffic cameras, and they will be amazing.

And everyone knows that traffic cameras are useless to fight the plague of double parking on Georgia, and we shouldn't even bother trying, because, um, reasons?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Yes, I will own the idea that I object to government making it harder for people to use their cars, a mode of transportation that people clearly prefer. I have lived in MoCo for 30+ years and we have seen government continually try to move people to public transit by making their lives miserable. So far, it hasn't worked. Honestly, we know all of you hate Maryland commuters, but I don't think your city thrives if you make everyone want to stop going there.

The xenophobia directed at Marylanders is strange. The DC government couldnt function without them. Do people think teachers and cops and DDOT employees for that matter live in Friendship Heights? No, they live in Maryland.

...Friendship Heights is in Maryland...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Yes, I will own the idea that I object to government making it harder for people to use their cars, a mode of transportation that people clearly prefer. I have lived in MoCo for 30+ years and we have seen government continually try to move people to public transit by making their lives miserable. So far, it hasn't worked. Honestly, we know all of you hate Maryland commuters, but I don't think your city thrives if you make everyone want to stop going there.

The xenophobia directed at Marylanders is strange. The DC government couldnt function without them. Do people think teachers and cops and DDOT employees for that matter live in Friendship Heights? No, they live in Maryland.

...Friendship Heights is in Maryland...

There's a neighborhood in DC called Friendship Heights. I know it's difficult, but try to keep up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Yes, I will own the idea that I object to government making it harder for people to use their cars, a mode of transportation that people clearly prefer. I have lived in MoCo for 30+ years and we have seen government continually try to move people to public transit by making their lives miserable. So far, it hasn't worked. Honestly, we know all of you hate Maryland commuters, but I don't think your city thrives if you make everyone want to stop going there.

The xenophobia directed at Marylanders is strange. The DC government couldnt function without them. Do people think teachers and cops and DDOT employees for that matter live in Friendship Heights? No, they live in Maryland.

...Friendship Heights is in Maryland...

There's a neighborhood in DC called Friendship Heights. I know it's difficult, but try to keep up.

Friendship Heights is also in Maryland.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yes, I will own the idea that I object to government making it harder for people to use their cars, a mode of transportation that people clearly prefer. I have lived in MoCo for 30+ years and we have seen government continually try to move people to public transit by making their lives miserable. So far, it hasn't worked. Honestly, we know all of you hate Maryland commuters, but I don't think your city thrives if you make everyone want to stop going there.

Again, you don't live in DC. And as a 15+ year DC resident and taxpayer, I'm sick and f4cking tired of DC transportation policy catering to people who don't live here. And secondly, you are welcome in DC as long as DC doesn't revolve its transportation policy around your whims and you drive 25 mph instead of 40 mph and perhaps don't kill anyone with your vehicle.

But that's too much for you. You need completely unfettered ability to drive as fast as you want on GA Ave in DC with as little responsibility for driving your vehicle safely and with parking as cheap as possible. That's what you want. You awful subhuman pile of human excrement.

Stay out of DC if you don't like it.

This is just nonsense. Have you ever even driven on Georgia? Between all the unnecessary traffic lights and all the double parking and the cars turning left and all the speed cameras and the sheer number of drivers, it's hard to even go 25 miles per hour, let alone exceed the speed limit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Yes, I will own the idea that I object to government making it harder for people to use their cars, a mode of transportation that people clearly prefer. I have lived in MoCo for 30+ years and we have seen government continually try to move people to public transit by making their lives miserable. So far, it hasn't worked. Honestly, we know all of you hate Maryland commuters, but I don't think your city thrives if you make everyone want to stop going there.

The xenophobia directed at Marylanders is strange. The DC government couldnt function without them. Do people think teachers and cops and DDOT employees for that matter live in Friendship Heights? No, they live in Maryland.

"Marylanders" is code for black people.