DDOT's latest plan to destroy traffic, Georgia Avenue edition

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who is on Georgia almost every day, this plan is strange. Of all the Washingtonians who set foot on Georgia during a day, probably not one in a 100 takes the bus. It's pretty much just all cars.

What is the deal with this city wanting to created dedicated lanes to modes of transportation people don't really use? We have 150 miles of bike lanes for the city's approximately 150 bicyclists. We're going to create a bus lane on a street where only a tiny fraction of the people there using the street take the bus?

22,000 people take buses on Georgia Ave *every day.* That is 1/2 the people traveling on Georgia. It is the busiest bus corridor in DC.

https://ago-item-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/604a004ea0874e08be875c2eda2cfbdf/FAQs.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjENr%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJHMEUCIQDTJtZylTcVyDE8RuINrBcBhWbin80B2D2GJD995wUi4QIgYzVkT9rXJZdFUjoc9cQYu%2Bolhi13EsLGuxBe1iuWqP0qtAUIMhAAGgw2MDQ3NTgxMDI2NjUiDME3OcyG6J0ANtZZRCqRBYQMWngcPj6ErP9CaQ%2FOJpr%2FJGGKehfT2l7TxMP1%2FWlNO0echg0JXnmmOz6HjtSQVgsHgnyOI9kQ7eEF7ItQAiP8XMWyCAfGtvDL8JFL3Uhahy2Zj3PfjIohzC3yW38kgZqODd%2BAsQX8MUIxyseOahs%2Bm68iQ2PnUCi56gH9i2BZXS3x926VPLaTzW7uuaNM1dmYTMWxoHloQO6GzJqi7CJkWATzJhrXP9eyjxT8UkHqXpGi3%2FxtttK%2BKPpgFbY2%2BnREeRZGJQg7CBSzyTbrekV9qi0vrfpZy%2BrDzBzaKlclU8uakaEBfHUPnhsB1Ugt0CPFpx9hERGp9DIHLo2%2BaMWmsog22vLbrTlTiDWlflkUeTKLUpo4mDrIuRQ7bLfapwixgDckUgJcK3EXEmSJx4NpFaIhm7IkEv61kmwmfBYos6DGXuZuOVM05bp1G2mAdPY6rzqTWHmGAhYcvHF%2B%2FrFtVJU9aXKGtGFB%2FWBd%2B1zTt1%2BVxZCOio9krJJ20tb22fbpQLv%2B2MZ%2FoxBvO%2FnDez4zbpRJflIODXXPhtJ1JQRCcFRO0oT%2B0i5a4djWsT%2FsTaj9JSPmmcDL%2BZ8kjSWseVjgZ8%2FacRFHaOcIe1nVGSiU%2BU73Zr7cKtohCXR6t67424a48Ufm4Vlzje338R5tj%2Bh14FKQaTXONqXxkvIBd%2BrIAeDXrNxC74wSTCTT23X3u2A9tO4OP5ZwZnSqmOl4xyb1a58fEjTIbRgEiRQIHqfv4B96w1zA1oFkD53KKD%2BJFO80btfven8w4a2Fa%2FJ8IHcliK9ADYT3wE6Sv%2FxO5Y00Mvquo%2BxsgCN7uYXZDXff%2BVoRK3ept9fFN0Wf1ZhhVe4PDobLKY2r3U02sIuVX7dEDzDFrpC4BjqxASjZEpFC668%2BbUTDQvJn56Zre2yCOegzuBJydimXxgs%2FhXIqJ6ERdRfyx8nuR80LbCiJ6CYRtQf6meAZyBeQzp8WQrkV8G92wMkVry5SM6vpy0s7ZIbIlVjQYiZU2wL7CbvGaQBOFWTJmw4N1V5uIEiY1fCTf41w8T0x69Ryx5UpbONKqTfw%2Fg5PP09R2pcrmISpnLWyl0JKUPH7QzQGQ%2FbNhySXWUOBKeMAr1a%2BHjqJ0g%3D%3D&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20241007T180106Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAYZTTEKKEZGODYWHE%2F20241007%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=c9e40009a9f4b058b221a019b001471e6e442f73f369d8737fe6ecfe55f4e44b

Half! Ha! What a lie. Go drive up and down on Georgia and count how many buses you see.

Ok well, if you think DDOT is literally lying then we don’t really have much to talk about. By they way buses can carry many times more people than cars and hence you’ll see fewer of them than cars yet they will still transport more people than cars. Math!!!

Yes, I do think DDOT is lying. Their flyer for this project says "safety is DDOT's #1 Priority on Georgia Avenue" but they dont mention at all how this plan will divert traffic off Georgia onto all the surrounding streets, where people (including tons of kids) actually live. I believe that's called lying by omission.

in fact there is a LENGTHY discussion of that

no, there isn't. the city actually says "the traffic modeling does not suggest drivers will choose side streets to make their existing trips," which i mean does anyone at ddot actually believe that?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in this plan. They say people will switch to using North Capitol. What?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in all these DDOT plans. Most of them seem to stem from working backwards and trying to justify the idea instead of looking at the data and moving forward.

The proponenets of these plans are also weirdly obsessed with Maryland and think nobody in DC takes these routes.

As for N. Capitol, it will be the last N-S route standing after strangling 16th and finishing off Connecticut and Georgia.

They frequently cite what they call similar bus projects in other, unnamed cities. "On peer city projects, bus ridership increased after the installation of bus lanes." But we already have more than 10 miles of bus only lanes here in DC. They could just use data from that. They don't, which is telling. If the numbers were good, they'd cited them. Instead we get vague references to what happened in other, unnamed cities.

We BARELY just started enforcing the bus lanes.

oh stop.

the city began rolling out bus-only lanes in 2019 and from the outset said it would vigorously enforce them.

"Starting today, the city will enforce the new rules, with two trucks nearby to haul any vehicles that park in the lanes, and police and traffic officers will ticket violators. The fine for driving or panking in the bus lanes is $200." --The Washington Post, June 3, 2019

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/06/03/these-lanes-are-buses-only-enforcement-new-downtown-bus-lanes-begins-opening-day/

Dude the automated bus camera just started this summer. Do some basic research NIMBY.

We've had automated bus camera enforcement for more than a year. As the Post story shows, we've had other forms of enforcement in some of these bus only lanes for five years.

Why can't we have *any* data on how *any of these 10+ miles of bus only lanes are doing? Why are we citing "girlfriend-in-Canada" numbers about what supposedly happened in unnamed cities?

We've actually had camera enforcement for about 10 months because the city kept delaying them. But that still doesnt answer the question of why there's no data on any bus lanes at all. They could put out what they have, but they're probably embarrassed by them. But if bus lanes aren't working the way the city said they would, then why create more of them?

If you're really that curious, you can start by requesting years of bus geolocation data from WMATA. That dataset will take some cleaning but where there's a will there's a way. Next you'll have to find yourself a good natural experiment by comparing differences in on-time performance along routes with bus lanes to like routes without bus lanes. This will be a challenge because there are only about a half dozen bus lanes and they are placed along routes that really aren't like any other routes in the city. Don't forget to account for the fact that the installation of the bus lanes - and enforcement thereof - coincided with an event that disrupted and then gradually restored vehicular traffic like nothing else in human history. Inevitably, whatever findings you obtain will be highly sensitive to alternative modeling choices and probably won't convince anyone who understands the slightest thing about bus lanes or causal inference. Of course, you could alternatively do the sensible thing and observe what most of us are seeing with our own eyes and that is that buses tend to move much faster when they are not routinely blocked by traffic.

16th and Georgia are extremely alike. The buses even share a terminus in Silver Spring. You sound like you're trying to cover something up even though you probably just don't know anything about either of those two streets.

Great. You have a sample size of two. Next time, please pay attention in statistics class.

WTF? This isn't complicated. A lot of grand promises were made about 16th and are being repeated for Georgia. They are twins. It's basic common sense to look at the impact from the first one before starting the second one. Especially because there's two whole years of data.

If that policy were applied to roads and highways, no DOT would ever widen another road or highway to "fix congestion". And yet.

Huh? You don't make any sense.

An experimental policy was implemented 3.5 years ago. Before it was implemented claims were made about safety, congestion, diverted traffic and bus ridership. Now the exact same experimental policy has been proposed for another street and the same claims are being made. This new street is strikingly similar to the previous street. It doesn't make sense to ignore whatever has happened on the first street. Maybe the claims were true maybe they weren't.

Either way it makes sense to look at what is currently happening on 16th in order to predict what might happen on Georgia under the same circumstances.

Only a fool goes into production before testing the prototype.

Bus lanes are not "an experimental policy".

I guess you missed the part where you said it was based on experimental research.

I have never said that. I don't think anybody else has said it either. It would be an absurd thing to say. Bus lanes are not an experimental policy.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Or maybe. Just maybe. These ideas you are pushing are not popular among the population at large and would have a host of negative consequences.

Asking what has happened on 16th since these exact same measures were implemented in 2021 is not radical, obstructionist. whining, moaning or any other epithets you wish to spew. It is common sense and the basic foundation of sound policy making.

I am sorry that your deep seated hatred of fellow Washingtonians, general misanthropy, and evangelical zeal has clouded your judgement to such an extent that you feel personally threatened by such anodyne questions. I would never have imagined that such simple questions could engender a mental break. But here we are.

I'm the PP from before. I'm not against seeing what's happened with other protected bus-ways, at least, since the enforcement from the cameras on the buses has actually started. I would offer that it hasn't REALLY started yet, because its only this past week that DC is able to actually enforce jack shit against MD and VA drivers.

But anyway, you're just pulling the regular old "what-about-ism" that comes up on these threads. If DDOT were to produce those stats and they demonstrated a rise in bus ridership, a reduction in bus through-corridor times, then you'd start in making up all the reasons why 16th and GA or Penn Ave and GA or H St and GA aren't comparable. Just like when cyclists/DDOT brought up large numbers of studies - including local ones - that demonstrated ridership increases and safety improvements of bike lanes.

Because you don't actually give a shit. You just want to block the project.

Obstructionist jerk.

The projection and lying is unreal. How can someone be so aggressive and yet such a victim?

I mainly care about the spillover traffic and the safety issues that causes. I care because I use these roads. The numers for both of those things should be artificially lower from the lack of enforcement and initially lower post-pandemic traffic amounts.

Do you also use Georgia Avenue? Are you also concerned about safety issues on Georgia Avenue?

Also, if you're concerned about safety issues from spillover cars, because you use those streets, then you should support measures that will make those streets safer, such as speed humps and raised crosswalks. If you don't support such measures to make those streets safer, then you're not actually concerned about safety issues on those streets.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Or maybe. Just maybe. These ideas you are pushing are not popular among the population at large and would have a host of negative consequences.

Asking what has happened on 16th since these exact same measures were implemented in 2021 is not radical, obstructionist. whining, moaning or any other epithets you wish to spew. It is common sense and the basic foundation of sound policy making.

I am sorry that your deep seated hatred of fellow Washingtonians, general misanthropy, and evangelical zeal has clouded your judgement to such an extent that you feel personally threatened by such anodyne questions. I would never have imagined that such simple questions could engender a mental break. But here we are.

I'm the PP from before. I'm not against seeing what's happened with other protected bus-ways, at least, since the enforcement from the cameras on the buses has actually started. I would offer that it hasn't REALLY started yet, because its only this past week that DC is able to actually enforce jack shit against MD and VA drivers.

But anyway, you're just pulling the regular old "what-about-ism" that comes up on these threads. If DDOT were to produce those stats and they demonstrated a rise in bus ridership, a reduction in bus through-corridor times, then you'd start in making up all the reasons why 16th and GA or Penn Ave and GA or H St and GA aren't comparable. Just like when cyclists/DDOT brought up large numbers of studies - including local ones - that demonstrated ridership increases and safety improvements of bike lanes.

Because you don't actually give a shit. You just want to block the project.

Obstructionist jerk.

The projection and lying is unreal. How can someone be so aggressive and yet such a victim?

I mainly care about the spillover traffic and the safety issues that causes. I care because I use these roads. The numers for both of those things should be artificially lower from the lack of enforcement and initially lower post-pandemic traffic amounts.

Do you also use Georgia Avenue? Are you also concerned about safety issues on Georgia Avenue?

Also, if you're concerned about safety issues from spillover cars, because you use those streets, then you should support measures that will make those streets safer, such as speed humps and raised crosswalks. If you don't support such measures to make those streets safer, then you're not actually concerned about safety issues on those streets.

An average of *one* person dies each year on Georgia Avenue. Seems pretty safe TBH

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Or maybe. Just maybe. These ideas you are pushing are not popular among the population at large and would have a host of negative consequences.

Asking what has happened on 16th since these exact same measures were implemented in 2021 is not radical, obstructionist. whining, moaning or any other epithets you wish to spew. It is common sense and the basic foundation of sound policy making.

I am sorry that your deep seated hatred of fellow Washingtonians, general misanthropy, and evangelical zeal has clouded your judgement to such an extent that you feel personally threatened by such anodyne questions. I would never have imagined that such simple questions could engender a mental break. But here we are.

I'm the PP from before. I'm not against seeing what's happened with other protected bus-ways, at least, since the enforcement from the cameras on the buses has actually started. I would offer that it hasn't REALLY started yet, because its only this past week that DC is able to actually enforce jack shit against MD and VA drivers.

But anyway, you're just pulling the regular old "what-about-ism" that comes up on these threads. If DDOT were to produce those stats and they demonstrated a rise in bus ridership, a reduction in bus through-corridor times, then you'd start in making up all the reasons why 16th and GA or Penn Ave and GA or H St and GA aren't comparable. Just like when cyclists/DDOT brought up large numbers of studies - including local ones - that demonstrated ridership increases and safety improvements of bike lanes.

Because you don't actually give a shit. You just want to block the project.

Obstructionist jerk.

The projection and lying is unreal. How can someone be so aggressive and yet such a victim?

I mainly care about the spillover traffic and the safety issues that causes. I care because I use these roads. The numers for both of those things should be artificially lower from the lack of enforcement and initially lower post-pandemic traffic amounts.

Do you also use Georgia Avenue? Are you also concerned about safety issues on Georgia Avenue?

Also, if you're concerned about safety issues from spillover cars, because you use those streets, then you should support measures that will make those streets safer, such as speed humps and raised crosswalks. If you don't support such measures to make those streets safer, then you're not actually concerned about safety issues on those streets.

An average of *one* person dies each year on Georgia Avenue. Seems pretty safe TBH

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Or maybe. Just maybe. These ideas you are pushing are not popular among the population at large and would have a host of negative consequences.

Asking what has happened on 16th since these exact same measures were implemented in 2021 is not radical, obstructionist. whining, moaning or any other epithets you wish to spew. It is common sense and the basic foundation of sound policy making.

I am sorry that your deep seated hatred of fellow Washingtonians, general misanthropy, and evangelical zeal has clouded your judgement to such an extent that you feel personally threatened by such anodyne questions. I would never have imagined that such simple questions could engender a mental break. But here we are.

I'm the PP from before. I'm not against seeing what's happened with other protected bus-ways, at least, since the enforcement from the cameras on the buses has actually started. I would offer that it hasn't REALLY started yet, because its only this past week that DC is able to actually enforce jack shit against MD and VA drivers.

But anyway, you're just pulling the regular old "what-about-ism" that comes up on these threads. If DDOT were to produce those stats and they demonstrated a rise in bus ridership, a reduction in bus through-corridor times, then you'd start in making up all the reasons why 16th and GA or Penn Ave and GA or H St and GA aren't comparable. Just like when cyclists/DDOT brought up large numbers of studies - including local ones - that demonstrated ridership increases and safety improvements of bike lanes.

Because you don't actually give a shit. You just want to block the project.

Obstructionist jerk.

The projection and lying is unreal. How can someone be so aggressive and yet such a victim?

I mainly care about the spillover traffic and the safety issues that causes. I care because I use these roads. The numers for both of those things should be artificially lower from the lack of enforcement and initially lower post-pandemic traffic amounts.

Do you also use Georgia Avenue? Are you also concerned about safety issues on Georgia Avenue?

Also, if you're concerned about safety issues from spillover cars, because you use those streets, then you should support measures that will make those streets safer, such as speed humps and raised crosswalks. If you don't support such measures to make those streets safer, then you're not actually concerned about safety issues on those streets.

An average of *one* person dies each year on Georgia Avenue. Seems pretty safe TBH

The biggest problem with Georgia Avenue is all the double parking. How about we ticket people who double park, and then traffic will move more quickly for everyone? Problem solved!

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Or maybe. Just maybe. These ideas you are pushing are not popular among the population at large and would have a host of negative consequences.

Asking what has happened on 16th since these exact same measures were implemented in 2021 is not radical, obstructionist. whining, moaning or any other epithets you wish to spew. It is common sense and the basic foundation of sound policy making.

I am sorry that your deep seated hatred of fellow Washingtonians, general misanthropy, and evangelical zeal has clouded your judgement to such an extent that you feel personally threatened by such anodyne questions. I would never have imagined that such simple questions could engender a mental break. But here we are.

I'm the PP from before. I'm not against seeing what's happened with other protected bus-ways, at least, since the enforcement from the cameras on the buses has actually started. I would offer that it hasn't REALLY started yet, because its only this past week that DC is able to actually enforce jack shit against MD and VA drivers.

But anyway, you're just pulling the regular old "what-about-ism" that comes up on these threads. If DDOT were to produce those stats and they demonstrated a rise in bus ridership, a reduction in bus through-corridor times, then you'd start in making up all the reasons why 16th and GA or Penn Ave and GA or H St and GA aren't comparable. Just like when cyclists/DDOT brought up large numbers of studies - including local ones - that demonstrated ridership increases and safety improvements of bike lanes.

Because you don't actually give a shit. You just want to block the project.

Obstructionist jerk.

The projection and lying is unreal. How can someone be so aggressive and yet such a victim?

I mainly care about the spillover traffic and the safety issues that causes. I care because I use these roads. The numers for both of those things should be artificially lower from the lack of enforcement and initially lower post-pandemic traffic amounts.

Do you also use Georgia Avenue? Are you also concerned about safety issues on Georgia Avenue?

Also, if you're concerned about safety issues from spillover cars, because you use those streets, then you should support measures that will make those streets safer, such as speed humps and raised crosswalks. If you don't support such measures to make those streets safer, then you're not actually concerned about safety issues on those streets.

An average of *one* person dies each year on Georgia Avenue. Seems pretty safe TBH

The biggest problem with Georgia Avenue is all the double parking. How about we ticket people who double park, and then traffic will move more quickly for everyone? Problem solved!

You've already said that, basically word for word, at least five times, and it was equally wrong each time. The biggest problem with Georgia Avenue is NOT all the double parking. I don't know who the "we" is who would ticket people who double park. Traffic would not move more quickly for everyone. And the problem would not be solved.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Or maybe. Just maybe. These ideas you are pushing are not popular among the population at large and would have a host of negative consequences.

Asking what has happened on 16th since these exact same measures were implemented in 2021 is not radical, obstructionist. whining, moaning or any other epithets you wish to spew. It is common sense and the basic foundation of sound policy making.

I am sorry that your deep seated hatred of fellow Washingtonians, general misanthropy, and evangelical zeal has clouded your judgement to such an extent that you feel personally threatened by such anodyne questions. I would never have imagined that such simple questions could engender a mental break. But here we are.

I'm the PP from before. I'm not against seeing what's happened with other protected bus-ways, at least, since the enforcement from the cameras on the buses has actually started. I would offer that it hasn't REALLY started yet, because its only this past week that DC is able to actually enforce jack shit against MD and VA drivers.

But anyway, you're just pulling the regular old "what-about-ism" that comes up on these threads. If DDOT were to produce those stats and they demonstrated a rise in bus ridership, a reduction in bus through-corridor times, then you'd start in making up all the reasons why 16th and GA or Penn Ave and GA or H St and GA aren't comparable. Just like when cyclists/DDOT brought up large numbers of studies - including local ones - that demonstrated ridership increases and safety improvements of bike lanes.

Because you don't actually give a shit. You just want to block the project.

Obstructionist jerk.

The projection and lying is unreal. How can someone be so aggressive and yet such a victim?

I mainly care about the spillover traffic and the safety issues that causes. I care because I use these roads. The numers for both of those things should be artificially lower from the lack of enforcement and initially lower post-pandemic traffic amounts.

Do you also use Georgia Avenue? Are you also concerned about safety issues on Georgia Avenue?

Also, if you're concerned about safety issues from spillover cars, because you use those streets, then you should support measures that will make those streets safer, such as speed humps and raised crosswalks. If you don't support such measures to make those streets safer, then you're not actually concerned about safety issues on those streets.

An average of *one* person dies each year on Georgia Avenue. Seems pretty safe TBH

The biggest problem with Georgia Avenue is all the double parking. How about we ticket people who double park, and then traffic will move more quickly for everyone? Problem solved!

It's curious the city is somehow powerless to do anything about all the double parking on Georgia Avenue, but keeping people out of a bus lane on Georgia Avenue will be a cinch. In fact, the city has struggled to keep cars out of bus lanes since the first bus-only lane went in in 2019.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Or maybe. Just maybe. These ideas you are pushing are not popular among the population at large and would have a host of negative consequences.

Asking what has happened on 16th since these exact same measures were implemented in 2021 is not radical, obstructionist. whining, moaning or any other epithets you wish to spew. It is common sense and the basic foundation of sound policy making.

I am sorry that your deep seated hatred of fellow Washingtonians, general misanthropy, and evangelical zeal has clouded your judgement to such an extent that you feel personally threatened by such anodyne questions. I would never have imagined that such simple questions could engender a mental break. But here we are.

I'm the PP from before. I'm not against seeing what's happened with other protected bus-ways, at least, since the enforcement from the cameras on the buses has actually started. I would offer that it hasn't REALLY started yet, because its only this past week that DC is able to actually enforce jack shit against MD and VA drivers.

But anyway, you're just pulling the regular old "what-about-ism" that comes up on these threads. If DDOT were to produce those stats and they demonstrated a rise in bus ridership, a reduction in bus through-corridor times, then you'd start in making up all the reasons why 16th and GA or Penn Ave and GA or H St and GA aren't comparable. Just like when cyclists/DDOT brought up large numbers of studies - including local ones - that demonstrated ridership increases and safety improvements of bike lanes.

Because you don't actually give a shit. You just want to block the project.

Obstructionist jerk.

The projection and lying is unreal. How can someone be so aggressive and yet such a victim?

I mainly care about the spillover traffic and the safety issues that causes. I care because I use these roads. The numers for both of those things should be artificially lower from the lack of enforcement and initially lower post-pandemic traffic amounts.

Do you also use Georgia Avenue? Are you also concerned about safety issues on Georgia Avenue?

Also, if you're concerned about safety issues from spillover cars, because you use those streets, then you should support measures that will make those streets safer, such as speed humps and raised crosswalks. If you don't support such measures to make those streets safer, then you're not actually concerned about safety issues on those streets.

An average of *one* person dies each year on Georgia Avenue. Seems pretty safe TBH

The biggest problem with Georgia Avenue is all the double parking. How about we ticket people who double park, and then traffic will move more quickly for everyone? Problem solved!

It's curious the city is somehow powerless to do anything about all the double parking on Georgia Avenue, but keeping people out of a bus lane on Georgia Avenue will be a cinch. In fact, the city has struggled to keep cars out of bus lanes since the first bus-only lane went in in 2019.

Enforcing traffic laws is not really a thing in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Or maybe. Just maybe. These ideas you are pushing are not popular among the population at large and would have a host of negative consequences.

Asking what has happened on 16th since these exact same measures were implemented in 2021 is not radical, obstructionist. whining, moaning or any other epithets you wish to spew. It is common sense and the basic foundation of sound policy making.

I am sorry that your deep seated hatred of fellow Washingtonians, general misanthropy, and evangelical zeal has clouded your judgement to such an extent that you feel personally threatened by such anodyne questions. I would never have imagined that such simple questions could engender a mental break. But here we are.

I'm the PP from before. I'm not against seeing what's happened with other protected bus-ways, at least, since the enforcement from the cameras on the buses has actually started. I would offer that it hasn't REALLY started yet, because its only this past week that DC is able to actually enforce jack shit against MD and VA drivers.

But anyway, you're just pulling the regular old "what-about-ism" that comes up on these threads. If DDOT were to produce those stats and they demonstrated a rise in bus ridership, a reduction in bus through-corridor times, then you'd start in making up all the reasons why 16th and GA or Penn Ave and GA or H St and GA aren't comparable. Just like when cyclists/DDOT brought up large numbers of studies - including local ones - that demonstrated ridership increases and safety improvements of bike lanes.

Because you don't actually give a shit. You just want to block the project.

Obstructionist jerk.

The projection and lying is unreal. How can someone be so aggressive and yet such a victim?

I mainly care about the spillover traffic and the safety issues that causes. I care because I use these roads. The numers for both of those things should be artificially lower from the lack of enforcement and initially lower post-pandemic traffic amounts.

Do you also use Georgia Avenue? Are you also concerned about safety issues on Georgia Avenue?

Also, if you're concerned about safety issues from spillover cars, because you use those streets, then you should support measures that will make those streets safer, such as speed humps and raised crosswalks. If you don't support such measures to make those streets safer, then you're not actually concerned about safety issues on those streets.

Yes, I do. Otherwise I wouldn't be talking about it.

But this is a perfect example of your circular logic and the nonsense it produces. I don't have an opinion on speed bumps, except that it is beyond stupid to manufacture a problem and then propose a solution. There was an old lady who swallowed a fly and all that.

Besides, it is my understanding that blocks can get speed bumps installed relatively easily as long as they have the support of a majority of the residents on the block. That seems perfectly reasonable to me but I gather it does not seem reasonable to you.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Or maybe. Just maybe. These ideas you are pushing are not popular among the population at large and would have a host of negative consequences.

Asking what has happened on 16th since these exact same measures were implemented in 2021 is not radical, obstructionist. whining, moaning or any other epithets you wish to spew. It is common sense and the basic foundation of sound policy making.

I am sorry that your deep seated hatred of fellow Washingtonians, general misanthropy, and evangelical zeal has clouded your judgement to such an extent that you feel personally threatened by such anodyne questions. I would never have imagined that such simple questions could engender a mental break. But here we are.

I'm the PP from before. I'm not against seeing what's happened with other protected bus-ways, at least, since the enforcement from the cameras on the buses has actually started. I would offer that it hasn't REALLY started yet, because its only this past week that DC is able to actually enforce jack shit against MD and VA drivers.

But anyway, you're just pulling the regular old "what-about-ism" that comes up on these threads. If DDOT were to produce those stats and they demonstrated a rise in bus ridership, a reduction in bus through-corridor times, then you'd start in making up all the reasons why 16th and GA or Penn Ave and GA or H St and GA aren't comparable. Just like when cyclists/DDOT brought up large numbers of studies - including local ones - that demonstrated ridership increases and safety improvements of bike lanes.

Because you don't actually give a shit. You just want to block the project.

Obstructionist jerk.

The projection and lying is unreal. How can someone be so aggressive and yet such a victim?

I mainly care about the spillover traffic and the safety issues that causes. I care because I use these roads. The numers for both of those things should be artificially lower from the lack of enforcement and initially lower post-pandemic traffic amounts.

Do you also use Georgia Avenue? Are you also concerned about safety issues on Georgia Avenue?

Also, if you're concerned about safety issues from spillover cars, because you use those streets, then you should support measures that will make those streets safer, such as speed humps and raised crosswalks. If you don't support such measures to make those streets safer, then you're not actually concerned about safety issues on those streets.

Yes, I do. Otherwise I wouldn't be talking about it.

But this is a perfect example of your circular logic and the nonsense it produces. I don't have an opinion on speed bumps, except that it is beyond stupid to manufacture a problem and then propose a solution. There was an old lady who swallowed a fly and all that.

Besides, it is my understanding that blocks can get speed bumps installed relatively easily as long as they have the support of a majority of the residents on the block. That seems perfectly reasonable to me but I gather it does not seem reasonable to you.

Oh come on. You’d be screaming about your rights being violated if the plan was originally just speed humps. (Which cannot actually be installed on Georgia, but hey, never let facts get in the way.)

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Or maybe. Just maybe. These ideas you are pushing are not popular among the population at large and would have a host of negative consequences.

Asking what has happened on 16th since these exact same measures were implemented in 2021 is not radical, obstructionist. whining, moaning or any other epithets you wish to spew. It is common sense and the basic foundation of sound policy making.

I am sorry that your deep seated hatred of fellow Washingtonians, general misanthropy, and evangelical zeal has clouded your judgement to such an extent that you feel personally threatened by such anodyne questions. I would never have imagined that such simple questions could engender a mental break. But here we are.

I'm the PP from before. I'm not against seeing what's happened with other protected bus-ways, at least, since the enforcement from the cameras on the buses has actually started. I would offer that it hasn't REALLY started yet, because its only this past week that DC is able to actually enforce jack shit against MD and VA drivers.

But anyway, you're just pulling the regular old "what-about-ism" that comes up on these threads. If DDOT were to produce those stats and they demonstrated a rise in bus ridership, a reduction in bus through-corridor times, then you'd start in making up all the reasons why 16th and GA or Penn Ave and GA or H St and GA aren't comparable. Just like when cyclists/DDOT brought up large numbers of studies - including local ones - that demonstrated ridership increases and safety improvements of bike lanes.

Because you don't actually give a shit. You just want to block the project.

Obstructionist jerk.

The projection and lying is unreal. How can someone be so aggressive and yet such a victim?

I mainly care about the spillover traffic and the safety issues that causes. I care because I use these roads. The numers for both of those things should be artificially lower from the lack of enforcement and initially lower post-pandemic traffic amounts.

Do you also use Georgia Avenue? Are you also concerned about safety issues on Georgia Avenue?

Also, if you're concerned about safety issues from spillover cars, because you use those streets, then you should support measures that will make those streets safer, such as speed humps and raised crosswalks. If you don't support such measures to make those streets safer, then you're not actually concerned about safety issues on those streets.

An average of *one* person dies each year on Georgia Avenue. Seems pretty safe TBH

First, let's not minimize even one person dying. Second, a low death rate does not at all mean that the road is safe. Pedestrians are still in danger even if they don't die.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Or maybe. Just maybe. These ideas you are pushing are not popular among the population at large and would have a host of negative consequences.

Asking what has happened on 16th since these exact same measures were implemented in 2021 is not radical, obstructionist. whining, moaning or any other epithets you wish to spew. It is common sense and the basic foundation of sound policy making.

I am sorry that your deep seated hatred of fellow Washingtonians, general misanthropy, and evangelical zeal has clouded your judgement to such an extent that you feel personally threatened by such anodyne questions. I would never have imagined that such simple questions could engender a mental break. But here we are.

I'm the PP from before. I'm not against seeing what's happened with other protected bus-ways, at least, since the enforcement from the cameras on the buses has actually started. I would offer that it hasn't REALLY started yet, because its only this past week that DC is able to actually enforce jack shit against MD and VA drivers.

But anyway, you're just pulling the regular old "what-about-ism" that comes up on these threads. If DDOT were to produce those stats and they demonstrated a rise in bus ridership, a reduction in bus through-corridor times, then you'd start in making up all the reasons why 16th and GA or Penn Ave and GA or H St and GA aren't comparable. Just like when cyclists/DDOT brought up large numbers of studies - including local ones - that demonstrated ridership increases and safety improvements of bike lanes.

Because you don't actually give a shit. You just want to block the project.

Obstructionist jerk.

The projection and lying is unreal. How can someone be so aggressive and yet such a victim?

I mainly care about the spillover traffic and the safety issues that causes. I care because I use these roads. The numers for both of those things should be artificially lower from the lack of enforcement and initially lower post-pandemic traffic amounts.

Do you also use Georgia Avenue? Are you also concerned about safety issues on Georgia Avenue?

Also, if you're concerned about safety issues from spillover cars, because you use those streets, then you should support measures that will make those streets safer, such as speed humps and raised crosswalks. If you don't support such measures to make those streets safer, then you're not actually concerned about safety issues on those streets.

An average of *one* person dies each year on Georgia Avenue. Seems pretty safe TBH

First, let's not minimize even one person dying. Second, a low death rate does not at all mean that the road is safe. Pedestrians are still in danger even if they don't die.

Especially not when you claim to object to the Georgia Avenue bus lanes based on danger to pedestrians.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Or maybe. Just maybe. These ideas you are pushing are not popular among the population at large and would have a host of negative consequences.

Asking what has happened on 16th since these exact same measures were implemented in 2021 is not radical, obstructionist. whining, moaning or any other epithets you wish to spew. It is common sense and the basic foundation of sound policy making.

I am sorry that your deep seated hatred of fellow Washingtonians, general misanthropy, and evangelical zeal has clouded your judgement to such an extent that you feel personally threatened by such anodyne questions. I would never have imagined that such simple questions could engender a mental break. But here we are.

I'm the PP from before. I'm not against seeing what's happened with other protected bus-ways, at least, since the enforcement from the cameras on the buses has actually started. I would offer that it hasn't REALLY started yet, because its only this past week that DC is able to actually enforce jack shit against MD and VA drivers.

But anyway, you're just pulling the regular old "what-about-ism" that comes up on these threads. If DDOT were to produce those stats and they demonstrated a rise in bus ridership, a reduction in bus through-corridor times, then you'd start in making up all the reasons why 16th and GA or Penn Ave and GA or H St and GA aren't comparable. Just like when cyclists/DDOT brought up large numbers of studies - including local ones - that demonstrated ridership increases and safety improvements of bike lanes.

Because you don't actually give a shit. You just want to block the project.

Obstructionist jerk.

The projection and lying is unreal. How can someone be so aggressive and yet such a victim?

I mainly care about the spillover traffic and the safety issues that causes. I care because I use these roads. The numers for both of those things should be artificially lower from the lack of enforcement and initially lower post-pandemic traffic amounts.

Do you also use Georgia Avenue? Are you also concerned about safety issues on Georgia Avenue?

Also, if you're concerned about safety issues from spillover cars, because you use those streets, then you should support measures that will make those streets safer, such as speed humps and raised crosswalks. If you don't support such measures to make those streets safer, then you're not actually concerned about safety issues on those streets.

An average of *one* person dies each year on Georgia Avenue. Seems pretty safe TBH

The biggest problem with Georgia Avenue is all the double parking. How about we ticket people who double park, and then traffic will move more quickly for everyone? Problem solved!

It's curious the city is somehow powerless to do anything about all the double parking on Georgia Avenue, but keeping people out of a bus lane on Georgia Avenue will be a cinch. In fact, the city has struggled to keep cars out of bus lanes since the first bus-only lane went in in 2019.

I've never lived in a city where double parking is so accepted...

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Yes, I will own the idea that I object to government making it harder for people to use their cars, a mode of transportation that people clearly prefer. I have lived in MoCo for 30+ years and we have seen government continually try to move people to public transit by making their lives miserable. So far, it hasn't worked. Honestly, we know all of you hate Maryland commuters, but I don't think your city thrives if you make everyone want to stop going there.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that within a few days this thread has almost hit 50 pages and so is on track to ramp up to the same amount as the Conn Ave bike lanes. Only proving that all of you people opposing the Conn Ave bike lanes because of entitled scofflaw cyclists or some shit are full of crap. You carbrain morons oppose anything that impedes your commute hard stop. Whether that's a bike lane, the goddamn streetcar, a bus lane, or a streetery. There's no negotiation or design consideration that DDOT or any advocates for any multimodal transportation because you can't get your head out of your ass long enough to take a step back and consider a bigger picture.

Ridiculous.

DDOT staff should come here and read this garbage so that the next time Nick Delledonne and crew show up to whine and moan they can just be ignored for the obstructionists they are.

Or maybe. Just maybe. These ideas you are pushing are not popular among the population at large and would have a host of negative consequences.

Asking what has happened on 16th since these exact same measures were implemented in 2021 is not radical, obstructionist. whining, moaning or any other epithets you wish to spew. It is common sense and the basic foundation of sound policy making.

I am sorry that your deep seated hatred of fellow Washingtonians, general misanthropy, and evangelical zeal has clouded your judgement to such an extent that you feel personally threatened by such anodyne questions. I would never have imagined that such simple questions could engender a mental break. But here we are.

I'm the PP from before. I'm not against seeing what's happened with other protected bus-ways, at least, since the enforcement from the cameras on the buses has actually started. I would offer that it hasn't REALLY started yet, because its only this past week that DC is able to actually enforce jack shit against MD and VA drivers.

But anyway, you're just pulling the regular old "what-about-ism" that comes up on these threads. If DDOT were to produce those stats and they demonstrated a rise in bus ridership, a reduction in bus through-corridor times, then you'd start in making up all the reasons why 16th and GA or Penn Ave and GA or H St and GA aren't comparable. Just like when cyclists/DDOT brought up large numbers of studies - including local ones - that demonstrated ridership increases and safety improvements of bike lanes.

Because you don't actually give a shit. You just want to block the project.

Obstructionist jerk.

The projection and lying is unreal. How can someone be so aggressive and yet such a victim?

I mainly care about the spillover traffic and the safety issues that causes. I care because I use these roads. The numers for both of those things should be artificially lower from the lack of enforcement and initially lower post-pandemic traffic amounts.

Do you also use Georgia Avenue? Are you also concerned about safety issues on Georgia Avenue?

Also, if you're concerned about safety issues from spillover cars, because you use those streets, then you should support measures that will make those streets safer, such as speed humps and raised crosswalks. If you don't support such measures to make those streets safer, then you're not actually concerned about safety issues on those streets.

An average of *one* person dies each year on Georgia Avenue. Seems pretty safe TBH

I don't know about DC Georgia Avenue, but on MoCo Georgia Avenue, most of the pedestrian deaths are people running across the street in dark clothes at night. Bus lanes would just mean that they'd be hit by a bus instead of a car.