Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a PhD, am a biomedical researcher, and am highly accomplished. I work on advances that may now help women (and men) in diagnosing and treating a range of medical conditions. I have tenure at an elite institution where I do this work.

20 years ago I had a stillbirth when i was traveling for work. I was traveling and in another country for work, giving a lecture about my research. This terrible process ended in a restroom at a public place. I was in a country that has been historically repulsed by abortion, and has been portrayed by the press as being cruel to women. When this happened I could not understand what was happening. I locked myself in the restroom. I was bleeding, and bleeding. I only wanted to get home to my family,and I though that if I could just get throug this I would get home to my family. I passed out. I can read this story and see how one would easily characterize my behavior as trying to "just get on with my day." Only difference between me and the woman facing felony charges is that I lost *a lot* of blood, and despite my desires, I ended up unconscious as opposed to "going about my normal day."

I next remember being in an ambulance with paramedics. Who knows what I had left behind - it could easily have been the same things this woman left beind. Even in this most conservative of countries, where I was, I was treated humanely. A fetus was lost, yes. I was given surgery that prevented sepsis under the conditions, and able to recover. No one, in this most religious of countries, talked of a crime. I got to fly home. I now have two wonderful children, who were born healthy after those terrible days. The health system in that country treated me for free. They probably "unclogged" a toilet. I will never know, for no one ever asked.

Thus, I could easily have been this woman, and perhaps, though I probably do not share my skin color with her, who would think that was relevant? In the moment, a purely primal, reptilian instinct overtook me, involving fear and trying to keep myself, and my family, intact. Perhaps the woman now charged is something else entirely, and really just wanted to drown out drugs, evil, whatever you are thinking. But until you have evidence of this, I also hope you will consider a little of what it is like to be in these shoes. And I will use the proceeds from the tens of patents I have been lucky enough to file and license in my career as a biomedical researcher to help women miserable enough to have to face these moments. If this woman has a gofundme page, or any other way to support the scared women who modern laws make scofflaws and much, much worse, I will be there. I am optimistic I am not alone in such a mission, though heartbroken my option is to write a check as a means of countering the scorn of our society in 2023 AD, vs doing nothing as people slander a women in terror and fear. I can pile the most horrible motives cast on this thread on a woman and still feel a need to support someone, and care of them in their darkest hour. God bless those of you lucky enough to be able to pass simplistic judgement on her without knowing any possible alternative, who do not know anything about what it is like to be "overcome with emotion" the article the OP mentions quotes.

Count me in. If anyone finds the gofundme please share. Even if you start a new thread with the info. I want her to know that she has love and support not disgust and judgment.

I am a physician. My pregnancy losses were DEVASTATING.
I flushed. Both times. Actually was on call during my second. I know more about this topic than I would like on a personal and professional level.

Charging her in this fashion with a felony is inhumane. Indecent. Infuriating.

We must take action.

+1 million

(and I'm sorry for PP's and others' losses)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

so the staff at the hospital should be facing any felony charges this woman faces.

+1 the mishandling of the corpse began when she was denied a D&C.

+1 The hospital already wouldn't take it, so what was she supposed to do with it? Take it back there? No one knows what to to do!

Felony charges are beyond outrageous. Whoever brought those charges, may they rot in hell.

[Anonymous]

She must have hurt her baby plugging it in the head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She must have hurt her baby plugging it in the head.

Plunging? It was already deceased, so while there may have been impact to the tissue, there was no pain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She must have hurt her baby plugging it in the head.

Plunging? It was already deceased, so while there may have been impact to the tissue, there was no pain.

The forensics guy said no trauma to the body.

[Anonymous]

awful

[Anonymous]

As a prosecutor and a woman who has has two miscarriages and an abortion, I can't imagine how these prosecutors think this case is worthy or provable.

How can they prove that she knew the fetus was out of her body when she flushed? Or that she saw it and understood that it was in one piece, for lack of a better term? What if the sensations she was experiencing on the toilet felt like when her membranes ruptured and she didn't know she was in labor?

The Ohio statute criminalizes (as a misdemeanor) treating a corpse in a way that would outrage "reasonable family sensibilities." It is a felony to treat a corpse in a way that would "outrage reasonable community sensibilities." What is the difference between a family sensibility and a community sensibility? More to the point, how does that language put anyone on notice of how to respond to a miscarriage/stillbirth?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a prosecutor and a woman who has has two miscarriages and an abortion, I can't imagine how these prosecutors think this case is worthy or provable.

How can they prove that she knew the fetus was out of her body when she flushed? Or that she saw it and understood that it was in one piece, for lack of a better term? What if the sensations she was experiencing on the toilet felt like when her membranes ruptured and she didn't know she was in labor?

The Ohio statute criminalizes (as a misdemeanor) treating a corpse in a way that would outrage "reasonable family sensibilities." It is a felony to treat a corpse in a way that would "outrage reasonable community sensibilities." What is the difference between a family sensibility and a community sensibility? More to the point, how does that language put anyone on notice of how to respond to a miscarriage/stillbirth?

Amen. And not to be too graphic, but here goes.

If the state of Ohio is calling a non-viable fetus a "corpse", please tell me how it is acceptable for a woman to push a "corpse" through her vagina?

Lawmakers need to understand that a woman giving birth or expelling a dead fetus is just in a different situation that any other non pregnant person, dealing with a recently deceased person's body. Sure, if you wake up one morning and you find grandma died in her sleep (or your spouse or child), yes, you need to treat their deceased body with respect and according to community standards.

But women who are carrying a dead fetus? Please put them in a different category. It truly is different when the "corpse" became a "corpse" within your own body, and your body has to expel it. No other time does a person have to push a corpse out of their own body and then be expected to deal with it according to "community standards". Please. Understand that there is a difference here.

[Anonymous]

The POS prosecutor’s name is Lewis Guarnieri. He made this horrible call. Let’s make sure every Google search comes here and he never works a real job ever again.

[Anonymous]

All the forced birthers have largely left the political threads about abortion since they have realized that they are not going to be jollied along there, so it’s fun to see them here, merrily pushing their misogynistic and life hating garbage like anyone wants it. All of your forced birthers sound like you aren’t particularly bright, like you lack critical thinking at any level and like you enjoy torturing women.

To the normal people who think women are people, come and join us in politics if you aren’t already there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a prosecutor and a woman who has has two miscarriages and an abortion, I can't imagine how these prosecutors think this case is worthy or provable.

How can they prove that she knew the fetus was out of her body when she flushed? Or that she saw it and understood that it was in one piece, for lack of a better term? What if the sensations she was experiencing on the toilet felt like when her membranes ruptured and she didn't know she was in labor?

The Ohio statute criminalizes (as a misdemeanor) treating a corpse in a way that would outrage "reasonable family sensibilities." It is a felony to treat a corpse in a way that would "outrage reasonable community sensibilities." What is the difference between a family sensibility and a community sensibility? More to the point, how does that language put anyone on notice of how to respond to a miscarriage/stillbirth?

There’s likely more to this story than we know. Whenever something sounds a little far fetched it usually is.

My guess is the corpse would have tested positive for drugs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a prosecutor and a woman who has has two miscarriages and an abortion, I can't imagine how these prosecutors think this case is worthy or provable.

How can they prove that she knew the fetus was out of her body when she flushed? Or that she saw it and understood that it was in one piece, for lack of a better term? What if the sensations she was experiencing on the toilet felt like when her membranes ruptured and she didn't know she was in labor?

The Ohio statute criminalizes (as a misdemeanor) treating a corpse in a way that would outrage "reasonable family sensibilities." It is a felony to treat a corpse in a way that would "outrage reasonable community sensibilities." What is the difference between a family sensibility and a community sensibility? More to the point, how does that language put anyone on notice of how to respond to a miscarriage/stillbirth?

There’s likely more to this story than we know. Whenever something sounds a little far fetched it usually is.

My guess is the corpse would have tested positive for drugs.

My hope is that a forced birther like you says that with their whole chest and gets sued into the mud for libel/slander. You pretend to care about life and here you are casting the first stone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a prosecutor and a woman who has has two miscarriages and an abortion, I can't imagine how these prosecutors think this case is worthy or provable.

How can they prove that she knew the fetus was out of her body when she flushed? Or that she saw it and understood that it was in one piece, for lack of a better term? What if the sensations she was experiencing on the toilet felt like when her membranes ruptured and she didn't know she was in labor?

The Ohio statute criminalizes (as a misdemeanor) treating a corpse in a way that would outrage "reasonable family sensibilities." It is a felony to treat a corpse in a way that would "outrage reasonable community sensibilities." What is the difference between a family sensibility and a community sensibility? More to the point, how does that language put anyone on notice of how to respond to a miscarriage/stillbirth?

There’s likely more to this story than we know. Whenever something sounds a little far fetched it usually is.

My guess is the corpse would have tested positive for drugs.

Wrong. It’s just a bunch of men mad that abortion is now legal under the law in Ohio so they trumped up fake charges in retaliation,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a prosecutor and a woman who has has two miscarriages and an abortion, I can't imagine how these prosecutors think this case is worthy or provable.

How can they prove that she knew the fetus was out of her body when she flushed? Or that she saw it and understood that it was in one piece, for lack of a better term? What if the sensations she was experiencing on the toilet felt like when her membranes ruptured and she didn't know she was in labor?

The Ohio statute criminalizes (as a misdemeanor) treating a corpse in a way that would outrage "reasonable family sensibilities." It is a felony to treat a corpse in a way that would "outrage reasonable community sensibilities." What is the difference between a family sensibility and a community sensibility? More to the point, how does that language put anyone on notice of how to respond to a miscarriage/stillbirth?

There’s likely more to this story than we know. Whenever something sounds a little far fetched it usually is.

My guess is the corpse would have tested positive for drugs.

My hope is that a forced birther like you says that with their whole chest and gets sued into the mud for libel/slander. You pretend to care about life and here you are casting the first stone.

I’m not a forced birther. I just find the story suspect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a prosecutor and a woman who has has two miscarriages and an abortion, I can't imagine how these prosecutors think this case is worthy or provable.

How can they prove that she knew the fetus was out of her body when she flushed? Or that she saw it and understood that it was in one piece, for lack of a better term? What if the sensations she was experiencing on the toilet felt like when her membranes ruptured and she didn't know she was in labor?

The Ohio statute criminalizes (as a misdemeanor) treating a corpse in a way that would outrage "reasonable family sensibilities." It is a felony to treat a corpse in a way that would "outrage reasonable community sensibilities." What is the difference between a family sensibility and a community sensibility? More to the point, how does that language put anyone on notice of how to respond to a miscarriage/stillbirth?

There’s likely more to this story than we know. Whenever something sounds a little far fetched it usually is.

My guess is the corpse would have tested positive for drugs.

Wrong. It’s just a bunch of men mad that abortion is now legal under the law in Ohio so they trumped up fake charges in retaliation,

How do you know this?