What’s going on with the two bills?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is becoming more evident is that the Democrats have proposed a host of things that would grow government and cause problems for most Americans - amnesty for illegals, reduced funding for hospitals in rural and low income ares, more IRS agents to audit Americans, sharing income by banks with the IRS......

Then, they have added freebies that would benefit a portion of Americans..... childcare, preschool, elder care - in hopes that Americans overlook the crap that is in the bill.

Then, they tell us that it costs nothing.

What a load of BS.

DP. Properly funding the IRS, speaking as a tax-paying citizen, is a good thing. I pay my share of taxes. Those who don't shouldn't get to skate by. Do you really think they should?

[Anonymous]

Steve Guest works for Ted Cruz. I suspect his take isn’t based in fact or understanding.

(We all know he’s arguing in 100% bad faith).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is becoming more evident is that the Democrats have proposed a host of things that would grow government and cause problems for most Americans - amnesty for illegals, reduced funding for hospitals in rural and low income ares, more IRS agents to audit Americans, sharing income by banks with the IRS......

Then, they have added freebies that would benefit a portion of Americans..... childcare, preschool, elder care - in hopes that Americans overlook the crap that is in the bill.

Then, they tell us that it costs nothing.

What a load of BS.

DP. Properly funding the IRS, speaking as a tax-paying citizen, is a good thing. I pay my share of taxes. Those who don't shouldn't get to skate by. Do you really think they should?

We don't need another 82,000 agents to monitor our banking and our returns. I pay my share as well. As do most Americans. What I don't think is necessary is for my bank to report the transactions I have in order for the IRS to scrutinize my income and spending. It is absolutely overreach and not appropriate.
I am also adamantly opposed to amnesty for illegals. More of an incentive for more to come.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Steve Guest works for Ted Cruz. I suspect his take isn’t based in fact or understanding.

(We all know he’s arguing in 100% bad faith).

He isn't making this claim. He is simply tweeting a piece in The Hill.
Do you disagree this is happening?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Steve Guest works for Ted Cruz. I suspect his take isn’t based in fact or understanding.

(We all know he’s arguing in 100% bad faith).

He isn't making this claim. He is simply tweeting a piece in The Hill.
Do you disagree this is happening?

The “piece in The Hill” is written by Sens. Ted Cruz and Rick Scott and it’s bullshit. Medicaid expansion keeps rural hospitals open.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is becoming more evident is that the Democrats have proposed a host of things that would grow government and cause problems for most Americans - amnesty for illegals, reduced funding for hospitals in rural and low income ares, more IRS agents to audit Americans, sharing income by banks with the IRS......

Then, they have added freebies that would benefit a portion of Americans..... childcare, preschool, elder care - in hopes that Americans overlook the crap that is in the bill.

Then, they tell us that it costs nothing.

What a load of BS.

What is this republican obsession over "growing government?"

America has an ever increasing population, and an ever more complex set of issues that need oversight, whether banking and finance, technology, industry, et cetera.
Government needs to keep pace with all of it.

Sorry but this is not 1783 when times were much simpler. Stop making foolish comments about "OMG YOU WANT TO GROW GOVERNMENT."

Sorry, we can't go back to 1783. What worked then cannot work now. To do so would make us a dysfunctional third world nation. It's just foolish magical thinking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Steve Guest works for Ted Cruz. I suspect his take isn’t based in fact or understanding.

(We all know he’s arguing in 100% bad faith).

He isn't making this claim. He is simply tweeting a piece in The Hill.
Do you disagree this is happening?

The “piece in The Hill” is written by Sens. Ted Cruz and Rick Scott and it’s bullshit. Medicaid expansion keeps rural hospitals open.

+1
It’s the point that if a right wing douche canoe like Cruz, or the people deranged enough to work for and support him, retweets something you know it’s a bullsnit, bad-faith argument.

The GOP is still trying to kill the government. Why? Because it works, because all the GOP propaganda against the government has just been an astroturfed lie. The billionaire funders of the GOP hate government because it’s one of the few things that actually imposes limits and requires them to act like they live on this planet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is becoming more evident is that the Democrats have proposed a host of things that would grow government and cause problems for most Americans - amnesty for illegals, reduced funding for hospitals in rural and low income ares, more IRS agents to audit Americans, sharing income by banks with the IRS......

Then, they have added freebies that would benefit a portion of Americans..... childcare, preschool, elder care - in hopes that Americans overlook the crap that is in the bill.

Then, they tell us that it costs nothing.

What a load of BS.

What is this republican obsession over "growing government?"

America has an ever increasing population, and an ever more complex set of issues that need oversight, whether banking and finance, technology, industry, et cetera.
Government needs to keep pace with all of it.

Sorry but this is not 1783 when times were much simpler. Stop making foolish comments about "OMG YOU WANT TO GROW GOVERNMENT."

Sorry, we can't go back to 1783. What worked then cannot work now. To do so would make us a dysfunctional third world nation. It's just foolish magical thinking.

Government is WAAAYYY too big to begin with. It doesn't need to grow any more. They cannot be all things to all people.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/10/07/the-true-size-of-government-is-nearing-a-record-high/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Steve Guest works for Ted Cruz. I suspect his take isn’t based in fact or understanding.

(We all know he’s arguing in 100% bad faith).

He isn't making this claim. He is simply tweeting a piece in The Hill.
Do you disagree this is happening?

The “piece in The Hill” is written by Sens. Ted Cruz and Rick Scott and it’s bullshit. Medicaid expansion keeps rural hospitals open.

+1
It’s the point that if a right wing douche canoe like Cruz, or the people deranged enough to work for and support him, retweets something you know it’s a bullsnit, bad-faith argument.

The GOP is still trying to kill the government. Why? Because it works, because all the GOP propaganda against the government has just been an astroturfed lie. The billionaire funders of the GOP hate government because it’s one of the few things that actually imposes limits and requires them to act like they live on this planet.

Just stop with your partisan crap.

Hospital groups and some members of Congress are demanding Democrats drop the proposed reduction in federal funding for some hospitals that serve large numbers of uninsured patients in the Biden administration's $1.7 trillion social spending bill, which passed in the House and now awaits a vote in the Senate.

The Build Back Better act would reduce the payments made to hospitals that treat many uninsured or low-income patients who may not be able to pay. These payments are known as Disproportionate Share Hospital payments.

The Build Back Better act would make cuts to those payments under the premise that expanding Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act make up for those subsidies.

Some hospital groups and lawmakers have called the cut in funding "punitive" because it only would cut the hospital funding in the 12 states that have not expanded Medicaid under the ACA.

"It has everything to do with wanting these states to expand Medicaid and trying to withhold financial payments in order to penalize state like Florida that have not expanded Medicaid," said Mary Mayhew, president of the Florida Hospital Association.

The penalty would be experienced by hospitals and those who depend on hospitals for access to healthcare, Mayhew said.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/11/23/Build-Back-Better-hospitals/7681637714362/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is becoming more evident is that the Democrats have proposed a host of things that would grow government and cause problems for most Americans - amnesty for illegals, reduced funding for hospitals in rural and low income ares, more IRS agents to audit Americans, sharing income by banks with the IRS......

Then, they have added freebies that would benefit a portion of Americans..... childcare, preschool, elder care - in hopes that Americans overlook the crap that is in the bill.

Then, they tell us that it costs nothing.

What a load of BS.

What is this republican obsession over "growing government?"

America has an ever increasing population, and an ever more complex set of issues that need oversight, whether banking and finance, technology, industry, et cetera.
Government needs to keep pace with all of it.

Sorry but this is not 1783 when times were much simpler. Stop making foolish comments about "OMG YOU WANT TO GROW GOVERNMENT."

Sorry, we can't go back to 1783. What worked then cannot work now. To do so would make us a dysfunctional third world nation. It's just foolish magical thinking.

Government is WAAAYYY too big to begin with. It doesn't need to grow any more. They cannot be all things to all people.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/10/07/the-true-size-of-government-is-nearing-a-record-high/

I agree, we should slash subsidies to factory farms, cut the defense budget- then we could increase social services AND decrease the total budget.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is becoming more evident is that the Democrats have proposed a host of things that would grow government and cause problems for most Americans - amnesty for illegals, reduced funding for hospitals in rural and low income ares, more IRS agents to audit Americans, sharing income by banks with the IRS......

Then, they have added freebies that would benefit a portion of Americans..... childcare, preschool, elder care - in hopes that Americans overlook the crap that is in the bill.

Then, they tell us that it costs nothing.

What a load of BS.

What is this republican obsession over "growing government?"

America has an ever increasing population, and an ever more complex set of issues that need oversight, whether banking and finance, technology, industry, et cetera.
Government needs to keep pace with all of it.

Sorry but this is not 1783 when times were much simpler. Stop making foolish comments about "OMG YOU WANT TO GROW GOVERNMENT."

Sorry, we can't go back to 1783. What worked then cannot work now. To do so would make us a dysfunctional third world nation. It's just foolish magical thinking.

Government is WAAAYYY too big to begin with. It doesn't need to grow any more. They cannot be all things to all people.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/10/07/the-true-size-of-government-is-nearing-a-record-high/

I agree, we should slash subsidies to factory farms, cut the defense budget- then we could increase social services AND decrease the total budget.

Sure. Let's decrease the defense budget with what is going on in the world. That'll show China, Russia, N Korea, and Iran.
Let's take a look at some of the departments that should not be part of the federal govt. Starting with the Dept. of Ed.
And, while we are at it. Let's look at our intelligence agencies and see how to revamp those since they don't seem to be doing the jobs they are designed for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Steve Guest works for Ted Cruz. I suspect his take isn’t based in fact or understanding.

(We all know he’s arguing in 100% bad faith).

He isn't making this claim. He is simply tweeting a piece in The Hill.
Do you disagree this is happening?

The “piece in The Hill” is written by Sens. Ted Cruz and Rick Scott and it’s bullshit. Medicaid expansion keeps rural hospitals open.

+1
It’s the point that if a right wing douche canoe like Cruz, or the people deranged enough to work for and support him, retweets something you know it’s a bullsnit, bad-faith argument.

The GOP is still trying to kill the government. Why? Because it works, because all the GOP propaganda against the government has just been an astroturfed lie. The billionaire funders of the GOP hate government because it’s one of the few things that actually imposes limits and requires them to act like they live on this planet.

Just stop with your partisan crap.

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No. Those 12 states made their decision not to expand care. That’s on them; they made their partisan decision knowing it would hurt their citizens. Now they’re just mad it will hurt their pocketbooks. You may have the delusion that Ted Cruz and notoriously charitable hospital groups care about patients, but I will not share that delusion. Ted Cruz and his dumb staffers can sit on a tack. I hope Build Back Better passes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How popular and beneficial to the average American family is the BBB?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/01/gop-opposition-bbb-third-way-study/

The GOP will uniformly oppose it, and it will be touted by those same GOP when the benefits start rolling in.

Throwing free money at people who don't earn it is beneficial? Hardly. It breeds an entitlement mentality and removes incentives to work for a living.

"free money"

This is to provide jobs in the areas around child care and elder care, so people can work.
This is to provide universal PK 3 and PK 4, so parents who want or need to, can send their kids to school earlier.

Where are you getting the PK3 and PK4 teachers? Can’t even staff K-12 fully around here, resulting in enormous class sizes


These things are good for the economy and end up generating even more in taxes to fund the programs.

Why should only wealthy people be able to offload taking care of an aging parent, or have the option to have early education for their kids while also being able to advance in their own jobs?

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Smart man.