FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:Social justice experiment.

School board’s plan, bring in some UMC kids to set a good example and help out the poor performers.

Reality, economic situation of poor performers improves as UMC kids shaken down for their lunch money.


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Snotty self righteous democrat UMC pull their kids and enroll them in private schools or pool their money and form fancy homeschool co-ops and continue to vote for the party that did the things to make them leave public school.

Some schools decline in test scores and extracurricular excellence but overall a win because everyone gets to feel all fuzzy and blue inside.


Poster above you and this is true. We tried to vote this school board out but many didn’t. We personally know many families who switched to private in the past couple of years. We live in the Madison district and you can see, their enrollment has declined. People are quick to leave if they don’t like it and many can afford it.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2023-24StudentMembershipDashboard/ReadMe

Stop assuming people voted for this school board bc they just always vote Dem without research. I researched and the non Dem aligned options sucked. Like really sucked. Like Moms for Liberty and let’s arm SOs type sucked. No, thanks.


The Springfield district Republican endorsed candidate was moderate, far more qualified than the Democrat endorsed candidate elected, education focused, and would have provided at least one voice of reason on the school board.

If you voted against her you were ill informed. Relying blue virginia propaganda is not reasoned research.


The Springfield District Republican candidate was a Moms for Liberty shill. Even Herrity didn't lift a finger to help her.

https://x.com/Moms4Liberty/status/1655929316654317570

While we're on the subject of the insane candidates the GOP ran for school board last year, let's take a look at a few:

There was the January 6th rioter who ran at large, Maureen Brody:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/glenn-youngkin-virginia-policy-fairfax-county-school-board-rcna122754

There was Cindy Walsh who ran in Sully District who was wrote a book claiming vaccines caused autism and spreads conspiracy theories:

https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Autism-Code-Toxicity-Vaccines/dp/1542767156

Lastly, let's not forget Harry Jackson in Hunter Mill who was arrested 3 times for beating his spouse, and made fun of an autistic kid:

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/harry-jackson-fairfax-school-board-candidate-was-arrested-three-times-for-assault-and-battery-of-wives-gop-student-with-autism-national-anthem-batterer-intervention-certificate-arlington-county-court-documents

These are the reasonable, moderate, well-qualified candidates? puh-leez.


You didn’t mention Paul Bartkowski. He struck me as a conservative Catholic with traditional values, but he was also a local parent who had a clue about conditions in some of the local schools. Despite having worked at Chantilly for years, Robyn Lady seemed clueless to me, and we’ve been watching that play out recently as she’s been all over the place when it’s come to how FCPS should approach boundary changes.
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Anonymous wrote:Because they are going to redraw the lines there will be apartments pulled in from Tysons and other parts of McLean HS area. So there will be apartments to rent.


What about the parts of Falls Church that feed into McLean HS?


I would expect the Haycock and Lemon Road areas in Falls Church to stay at McLean and for the Timber Lane attendance island to get moved to Falls Church. That would eliminate a split feeder and help justify the ongoing expansion of Falls Church to 2500 seats.

They could do this in addition to or in lieu of moving the Spring Hill apartments and condos to Langley to eliminate that split feeder (and justify moving part of Great Falls to Herndon).


I’m skeptical. Do you think that there are enough low-SES on the east side of Tysons to balance out the loss from Timber Lane? I don’t think anyone N of 29 is going to be zoned for Falls Church.
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Anonymous wrote:Can we back to the basics? What is the timeline for these boundary changes?


Fall 2025 is the school board's stated goal.

They have mentioned this timeline at multiple work sessions.

If you have a high school student in the class of 2027 or 2028 (current rising sophomores and freshmen) you need to be VERY concerned, especially if you are not within the walk zone to your high school.

The school board has mentioned this timeline, and minimal grandfathering of high school students many times.

When someone gives you insight to their plans, believe them.

When a politician lies by omission, hiding their true plans during their campaigns so they can get elected, expect nothing less from them than a complete disregard for constituents when they are in power.

If they prioritized student's well being, they would allow grandfathering for all enrolled high school students.

If they prioritized educational quality for the kids in failing schools like Lewis, they would have removed IB a long time ago and looked for real solutions, that do not require disrupting a bunch of kids to hopefully hide the failures without actually fixing the problems.

If they valued constituents, they would not have voted for a plan that concentrates power affecting student well being, communities, and housing values, with a single, unelected, overpaid bureaucrat, to try to remove the responsibility of elected officials to their voters in their district.

If the Springfield district representative was actually representing the will of her actual voters, she would have either come out strongly against the rezoning plan, OR very strongly in support of extensive grandfathering of high school students.

She did neither, so she is clearly not performing her duties to represent her constituents.

Please vote better in 2027. Ultimately, this is the outcome of voting choices made by the voters in our county, not just for school board but also for the board of supervisors that gerrymandered 22152 and the Springfield district to try to get rid of the last moderate politician in all of Northern Virginia. If you get rezoned, and voted blue no matter who, this is the policies you support being put into action.


Reid is the one will be driving this bus. She had said a company will study it and they will take 18 months. So that would be fall 2026.

Do we think that in 1 year they will have boundaries redrawn?


You think 🤔 that with computer modeling, other forms of A.I and the general ideas they clearly already have that they couldn’t get this done in a year? 🤣
Facilities could do it themselves and certainly a consultant can.
Expect your “listening sessions” early in the spring and your final boundaries around June.


The board members will look at them and then there will be time for tinkering around the edges to protect this community or that. This particular battle has only just begun.


Protect from what?


Come on, the board members don’t all believe in equity rezoning. Some are true believers and some are asleep at the wheel. But others will be able to be convinced to change a neighborhood here or there to give them a better deal. Or to nakedly protect their own neighborhoods, to keep them at the current schools or reassign them to the “better” ones. Some board members have higher political ambitions. There will 100% be back door wheelings and dealings.


You didn't answer the question. Is there danger? Why the need to protect?


DP. Ask Karen Corbett Sanders and Matt Dunne.

The correlation between the recent expansion of West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when there was space at Mount Vernon and the answer to your question should be roughly 100%.

[That having been accomplished, Dunne - Corbett-Sanders' hand-picked successor - is all about saving money and not investing in facilities anywhere else.]


Be honest. Why are you unwilling to say what the danger is?


THE DANGER IS BEING ASSIGNED TO A LESSER PERFORMING SCHOOL YOU DERP. The same thing people have been fighting about for the last 400 pages. Try to keep up!


Why is this a danger to high performing UMC kids?


I think you’re sealioning, first of all. But:

1) Moving schools in the middle of HS means that you lose out on the leadership opportunities you may have had at your former HS, had you been allowed to stay there. This is particularly bad for juniors and possibly sophomores. There has been at least one poster on here who said she would send a rising 9th grader to Lewis with other kids from the neighborhood if need be, but sending a junior to another school for 2 years is hugely disruptive. There needs to be grandfathering, even if WSHS kids need to find their own transportation. Fortunately their boundaries are compact to the point that a kid could likely bike from the southern end of the boundary to WSHS.

2) The SB has not guaranteed classes that would be available at Lewis vs. WSHS. A kid on the highest math track could end up simply not having classes to take as a senior, and would end up less prepared for college than if they had been at WSHS all 4 years. I also don’t know if Lewis is all AP at this point or if they’re still partially holding on to IB. Whereas WSHS is all AP.

3) they aren’t reporting any of this anymore, but the last school year that had safety and security data accurately reported for the full SY was 2018-2019. WSHS had 87 safety offenses and 0 weapons offenses. Lewis had 238 safety offenses, with a smaller student population, and 3 weapons offenses - and 7 in SY 2019-2020 which was cut short due to Covid!

4) You can’t say that every WSHS kid is from a nice graduate educated $300k+ income family and will immediately go to another school and be a shining star. There are lots of kids who are kept on the fairly straight and narrow just by having a largely good peer group.


Hopefully reassigned families can encourage their kids to become leaders in the new school, push for more AP and demand safe schools.


So why should a couple dozen teenagers from another school be bussed in and tasked to fix the problems that you and the other parents whose kids are zoned for that school were unable to fix?

If you, an adult parent at that school, and the other parents at that school, can't fix the problems, why should it be the responsibility of a group of teenagers who belong at their original school?


Interesting word choice.


DP. I just read this to mean “deserve to attend” the HS they were already attending or expected to attend.

Enough with the constant insinuations - it just makes you and the School Board members you are shilling for look like nut jobs.
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Anonymous wrote:Can we back to the basics? What is the timeline for these boundary changes?


Fall 2025 is the school board's stated goal.

They have mentioned this timeline at multiple work sessions.

If you have a high school student in the class of 2027 or 2028 (current rising sophomores and freshmen) you need to be VERY concerned, especially if you are not within the walk zone to your high school.

The school board has mentioned this timeline, and minimal grandfathering of high school students many times.

When someone gives you insight to their plans, believe them.

When a politician lies by omission, hiding their true plans during their campaigns so they can get elected, expect nothing less from them than a complete disregard for constituents when they are in power.

If they prioritized student's well being, they would allow grandfathering for all enrolled high school students.

If they prioritized educational quality for the kids in failing schools like Lewis, they would have removed IB a long time ago and looked for real solutions, that do not require disrupting a bunch of kids to hopefully hide the failures without actually fixing the problems.

If they valued constituents, they would not have voted for a plan that concentrates power affecting student well being, communities, and housing values, with a single, unelected, overpaid bureaucrat, to try to remove the responsibility of elected officials to their voters in their district.

If the Springfield district representative was actually representing the will of her actual voters, she would have either come out strongly against the rezoning plan, OR very strongly in support of extensive grandfathering of high school students.

She did neither, so she is clearly not performing her duties to represent her constituents.

Please vote better in 2027. Ultimately, this is the outcome of voting choices made by the voters in our county, not just for school board but also for the board of supervisors that gerrymandered 22152 and the Springfield district to try to get rid of the last moderate politician in all of Northern Virginia. If you get rezoned, and voted blue no matter who, this is the policies you support being put into action.


Reid is the one will be driving this bus. She had said a company will study it and they will take 18 months. So that would be fall 2026.

Do we think that in 1 year they will have boundaries redrawn?


You think 🤔 that with computer modeling, other forms of A.I and the general ideas they clearly already have that they couldn’t get this done in a year? 🤣
Facilities could do it themselves and certainly a consultant can.
Expect your “listening sessions” early in the spring and your final boundaries around June.


The board members will look at them and then there will be time for tinkering around the edges to protect this community or that. This particular battle has only just begun.


Protect from what?


Come on, the board members don’t all believe in equity rezoning. Some are true believers and some are asleep at the wheel. But others will be able to be convinced to change a neighborhood here or there to give them a better deal. Or to nakedly protect their own neighborhoods, to keep them at the current schools or reassign them to the “better” ones. Some board members have higher political ambitions. There will 100% be back door wheelings and dealings.


You didn't answer the question. Is there danger? Why the need to protect?


DP. Ask Karen Corbett Sanders and Matt Dunne.

The correlation between the recent expansion of West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when there was space at Mount Vernon and the answer to your question should be roughly 100%.

[That having been accomplished, Dunne - Corbett-Sanders' hand-picked successor - is all about saving money and not investing in facilities anywhere else.]


Be honest. Why are you unwilling to say what the danger is?


THE DANGER IS BEING ASSIGNED TO A LESSER PERFORMING SCHOOL YOU DERP. The same thing people have been fighting about for the last 400 pages. Try to keep up!


Why is this a danger to high performing UMC kids?


I think you’re sealioning, first of all. But:

1) Moving schools in the middle of HS means that you lose out on the leadership opportunities you may have had at your former HS, had you been allowed to stay there. This is particularly bad for juniors and possibly sophomores. There has been at least one poster on here who said she would send a rising 9th grader to Lewis with other kids from the neighborhood if need be, but sending a junior to another school for 2 years is hugely disruptive. There needs to be grandfathering, even if WSHS kids need to find their own transportation. Fortunately their boundaries are compact to the point that a kid could likely bike from the southern end of the boundary to WSHS.

2) The SB has not guaranteed classes that would be available at Lewis vs. WSHS. A kid on the highest math track could end up simply not having classes to take as a senior, and would end up less prepared for college than if they had been at WSHS all 4 years. I also don’t know if Lewis is all AP at this point or if they’re still partially holding on to IB. Whereas WSHS is all AP.

3) they aren’t reporting any of this anymore, but the last school year that had safety and security data accurately reported for the full SY was 2018-2019. WSHS had 87 safety offenses and 0 weapons offenses. Lewis had 238 safety offenses, with a smaller student population, and 3 weapons offenses - and 7 in SY 2019-2020 which was cut short due to Covid!

4) You can’t say that every WSHS kid is from a nice graduate educated $300k+ income family and will immediately go to another school and be a shining star. There are lots of kids who are kept on the fairly straight and narrow just by having a largely good peer group.


Hopefully reassigned families can encourage their kids to become leaders in the new school, push for more AP and demand safe schools.


So why should a couple dozen teenagers from another school be bussed in and tasked to fix the problems that you and the other parents whose kids are zoned for that school were unable to fix?

If you, an adult parent at that school, and the other parents at that school, can't fix the problems, why should it be the responsibility of a group of teenagers who belong at their original school?


Interesting word choice.


DP. I just read this to mean “deserve to attend” the HS they were already attending or expected to attend.

Enough with the constant insinuations - it just makes you and the School Board members you are shilling for look like nut jobs.


I haven’t been too active in this thread, but I just can’t get around the question: When would redistricting be appropriate?

It seems like an opinion among many here is never.
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Anonymous wrote:Because they are going to redraw the lines there will be apartments pulled in from Tysons and other parts of McLean HS area. So there will be apartments to rent.


What about the parts of Falls Church that feed into McLean HS?


I would expect the Haycock and Lemon Road areas in Falls Church to stay at McLean and for the Timber Lane attendance island to get moved to Falls Church. That would eliminate a split feeder and help justify the ongoing expansion of Falls Church to 2500 seats.

They could do this in addition to or in lieu of moving the Spring Hill apartments and condos to Langley to eliminate that split feeder (and justify moving part of Great Falls to Herndon).


I’m skeptical. Do you think that there are enough low-SES on the east side of Tysons to balance out the loss from Timber Lane? I don’t think anyone N of 29 is going to be zoned for Falls Church.


If I understand it, your premise is they can’t or won’t reassign that area because it would reduce the FARMS rate at McLean.

You may be right, but in that case it would have made a lot more sense to build an addition to McLean than to expand Falls Church to 2500 during its ongoing renovation.

There’s a bit of growth within the Falls Church district, such as the Graham Park townhouse project, but overall there isn’t nearly as much growth expected in the Falls Church district as in the McLean district. They could have expanded Falls Church with the expectation that it would pick up part of Justice, but it appears they were worried about moving the single-family areas zoned to Justice that are closest to Falls Church, so they are now expanding Justice as well. There may be a small area of Glasgow/Justice that they move to Poe/Falls Church in connection with the Glasgow boundary revisions, but it won’t have a huge impact on Falls Church’s enrollment.

The other possibilities, I suppose, might be to move Mantua from Woodson to Falls Church or just leave Falls Church under-enrolled once its expansion is finished.

Ultimately, there’s going to be a tension between prioritizing the elimination of attendance islands and split feeders and maintaining current levels of diversity at some schools. That issue is not limited to McLean, and will be a bigger issue at some elementary schools that currently have attendance islands.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we back to the basics? What is the timeline for these boundary changes?


Fall 2025 is the school board's stated goal.

They have mentioned this timeline at multiple work sessions.

If you have a high school student in the class of 2027 or 2028 (current rising sophomores and freshmen) you need to be VERY concerned, especially if you are not within the walk zone to your high school.

The school board has mentioned this timeline, and minimal grandfathering of high school students many times.

When someone gives you insight to their plans, believe them.

When a politician lies by omission, hiding their true plans during their campaigns so they can get elected, expect nothing less from them than a complete disregard for constituents when they are in power.

If they prioritized student's well being, they would allow grandfathering for all enrolled high school students.

If they prioritized educational quality for the kids in failing schools like Lewis, they would have removed IB a long time ago and looked for real solutions, that do not require disrupting a bunch of kids to hopefully hide the failures without actually fixing the problems.

If they valued constituents, they would not have voted for a plan that concentrates power affecting student well being, communities, and housing values, with a single, unelected, overpaid bureaucrat, to try to remove the responsibility of elected officials to their voters in their district.

If the Springfield district representative was actually representing the will of her actual voters, she would have either come out strongly against the rezoning plan, OR very strongly in support of extensive grandfathering of high school students.

She did neither, so she is clearly not performing her duties to represent her constituents.

Please vote better in 2027. Ultimately, this is the outcome of voting choices made by the voters in our county, not just for school board but also for the board of supervisors that gerrymandered 22152 and the Springfield district to try to get rid of the last moderate politician in all of Northern Virginia. If you get rezoned, and voted blue no matter who, this is the policies you support being put into action.


Reid is the one will be driving this bus. She had said a company will study it and they will take 18 months. So that would be fall 2026.

Do we think that in 1 year they will have boundaries redrawn?


You think 🤔 that with computer modeling, other forms of A.I and the general ideas they clearly already have that they couldn’t get this done in a year? 🤣
Facilities could do it themselves and certainly a consultant can.
Expect your “listening sessions” early in the spring and your final boundaries around June.


The board members will look at them and then there will be time for tinkering around the edges to protect this community or that. This particular battle has only just begun.


Protect from what?


Come on, the board members don’t all believe in equity rezoning. Some are true believers and some are asleep at the wheel. But others will be able to be convinced to change a neighborhood here or there to give them a better deal. Or to nakedly protect their own neighborhoods, to keep them at the current schools or reassign them to the “better” ones. Some board members have higher political ambitions. There will 100% be back door wheelings and dealings.


You didn't answer the question. Is there danger? Why the need to protect?


DP. Ask Karen Corbett Sanders and Matt Dunne.

The correlation between the recent expansion of West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when there was space at Mount Vernon and the answer to your question should be roughly 100%.

[That having been accomplished, Dunne - Corbett-Sanders' hand-picked successor - is all about saving money and not investing in facilities anywhere else.]


Be honest. Why are you unwilling to say what the danger is?


THE DANGER IS BEING ASSIGNED TO A LESSER PERFORMING SCHOOL YOU DERP. The same thing people have been fighting about for the last 400 pages. Try to keep up!


Why is this a danger to high performing UMC kids?


I think you’re sealioning, first of all. But:

1) Moving schools in the middle of HS means that you lose out on the leadership opportunities you may have had at your former HS, had you been allowed to stay there. This is particularly bad for juniors and possibly sophomores. There has been at least one poster on here who said she would send a rising 9th grader to Lewis with other kids from the neighborhood if need be, but sending a junior to another school for 2 years is hugely disruptive. There needs to be grandfathering, even if WSHS kids need to find their own transportation. Fortunately their boundaries are compact to the point that a kid could likely bike from the southern end of the boundary to WSHS.

2) The SB has not guaranteed classes that would be available at Lewis vs. WSHS. A kid on the highest math track could end up simply not having classes to take as a senior, and would end up less prepared for college than if they had been at WSHS all 4 years. I also don’t know if Lewis is all AP at this point or if they’re still partially holding on to IB. Whereas WSHS is all AP.

3) they aren’t reporting any of this anymore, but the last school year that had safety and security data accurately reported for the full SY was 2018-2019. WSHS had 87 safety offenses and 0 weapons offenses. Lewis had 238 safety offenses, with a smaller student population, and 3 weapons offenses - and 7 in SY 2019-2020 which was cut short due to Covid!

4) You can’t say that every WSHS kid is from a nice graduate educated $300k+ income family and will immediately go to another school and be a shining star. There are lots of kids who are kept on the fairly straight and narrow just by having a largely good peer group.


Hopefully reassigned families can encourage their kids to become leaders in the new school, push for more AP and demand safe schools.


So why should a couple dozen teenagers from another school be bussed in and tasked to fix the problems that you and the other parents whose kids are zoned for that school were unable to fix?

If you, an adult parent at that school, and the other parents at that school, can't fix the problems, why should it be the responsibility of a group of teenagers who belong at their original school?


Interesting word choice.


DP. I just read this to mean “deserve to attend” the HS they were already attending or expected to attend.

Enough with the constant insinuations - it just makes you and the School Board members you are shilling for look like nut jobs.


I haven’t been too active in this thread, but I just can’t get around the question: When would redistricting be appropriate?

It seems like an opinion among many here is never.


When a school is so overcrowded that a sizable percentage of the parents at the school are asking for relief or so under-enrolled that its ability to offer a suitable curriculum to its students is meaningfully compromised.

That’s effectively been the rule of thumb for decades and, while it’s been abused by some School Board members, it’s generally worked OK. No one knows exactly what they plan to do now; the only thing that is clear is that when a School Board that has never met a dime it wouldn’t spend and has approved wasteful capital projects such as Dunn Loring ES claims it is being driven by considerations of “efficiency” (which parrots language in the state legislation) they may have other things in mind as well.
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Anonymous wrote:Can we back to the basics? What is the timeline for these boundary changes?


Fall 2025 is the school board's stated goal.

They have mentioned this timeline at multiple work sessions.

If you have a high school student in the class of 2027 or 2028 (current rising sophomores and freshmen) you need to be VERY concerned, especially if you are not within the walk zone to your high school.

The school board has mentioned this timeline, and minimal grandfathering of high school students many times.

When someone gives you insight to their plans, believe them.

When a politician lies by omission, hiding their true plans during their campaigns so they can get elected, expect nothing less from them than a complete disregard for constituents when they are in power.

If they prioritized student's well being, they would allow grandfathering for all enrolled high school students.

If they prioritized educational quality for the kids in failing schools like Lewis, they would have removed IB a long time ago and looked for real solutions, that do not require disrupting a bunch of kids to hopefully hide the failures without actually fixing the problems.

If they valued constituents, they would not have voted for a plan that concentrates power affecting student well being, communities, and housing values, with a single, unelected, overpaid bureaucrat, to try to remove the responsibility of elected officials to their voters in their district.

If the Springfield district representative was actually representing the will of her actual voters, she would have either come out strongly against the rezoning plan, OR very strongly in support of extensive grandfathering of high school students.

She did neither, so she is clearly not performing her duties to represent her constituents.

Please vote better in 2027. Ultimately, this is the outcome of voting choices made by the voters in our county, not just for school board but also for the board of supervisors that gerrymandered 22152 and the Springfield district to try to get rid of the last moderate politician in all of Northern Virginia. If you get rezoned, and voted blue no matter who, this is the policies you support being put into action.


Reid is the one will be driving this bus. She had said a company will study it and they will take 18 months. So that would be fall 2026.

Do we think that in 1 year they will have boundaries redrawn?


You think 🤔 that with computer modeling, other forms of A.I and the general ideas they clearly already have that they couldn’t get this done in a year? 🤣
Facilities could do it themselves and certainly a consultant can.
Expect your “listening sessions” early in the spring and your final boundaries around June.


The board members will look at them and then there will be time for tinkering around the edges to protect this community or that. This particular battle has only just begun.


Protect from what?


Come on, the board members don’t all believe in equity rezoning. Some are true believers and some are asleep at the wheel. But others will be able to be convinced to change a neighborhood here or there to give them a better deal. Or to nakedly protect their own neighborhoods, to keep them at the current schools or reassign them to the “better” ones. Some board members have higher political ambitions. There will 100% be back door wheelings and dealings.


You didn't answer the question. Is there danger? Why the need to protect?


DP. Ask Karen Corbett Sanders and Matt Dunne.

The correlation between the recent expansion of West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when there was space at Mount Vernon and the answer to your question should be roughly 100%.

[That having been accomplished, Dunne - Corbett-Sanders' hand-picked successor - is all about saving money and not investing in facilities anywhere else.]


Be honest. Why are you unwilling to say what the danger is?


THE DANGER IS BEING ASSIGNED TO A LESSER PERFORMING SCHOOL YOU DERP. The same thing people have been fighting about for the last 400 pages. Try to keep up!


Why is this a danger to high performing UMC kids?


I think you’re sealioning, first of all. But:

1) Moving schools in the middle of HS means that you lose out on the leadership opportunities you may have had at your former HS, had you been allowed to stay there. This is particularly bad for juniors and possibly sophomores. There has been at least one poster on here who said she would send a rising 9th grader to Lewis with other kids from the neighborhood if need be, but sending a junior to another school for 2 years is hugely disruptive. There needs to be grandfathering, even if WSHS kids need to find their own transportation. Fortunately their boundaries are compact to the point that a kid could likely bike from the southern end of the boundary to WSHS.

2) The SB has not guaranteed classes that would be available at Lewis vs. WSHS. A kid on the highest math track could end up simply not having classes to take as a senior, and would end up less prepared for college than if they had been at WSHS all 4 years. I also don’t know if Lewis is all AP at this point or if they’re still partially holding on to IB. Whereas WSHS is all AP.

3) they aren’t reporting any of this anymore, but the last school year that had safety and security data accurately reported for the full SY was 2018-2019. WSHS had 87 safety offenses and 0 weapons offenses. Lewis had 238 safety offenses, with a smaller student population, and 3 weapons offenses - and 7 in SY 2019-2020 which was cut short due to Covid!

4) You can’t say that every WSHS kid is from a nice graduate educated $300k+ income family and will immediately go to another school and be a shining star. There are lots of kids who are kept on the fairly straight and narrow just by having a largely good peer group.


Hopefully reassigned families can encourage their kids to become leaders in the new school, push for more AP and demand safe schools.


So why should a couple dozen teenagers from another school be bussed in and tasked to fix the problems that you and the other parents whose kids are zoned for that school were unable to fix?

If you, an adult parent at that school, and the other parents at that school, can't fix the problems, why should it be the responsibility of a group of teenagers who belong at their original school?


Interesting word choice.


DP. I just read this to mean “deserve to attend” the HS they were already attending or expected to attend.

Enough with the constant insinuations - it just makes you and the School Board members you are shilling for look like nut jobs.


I haven’t been too active in this thread, but I just can’t get around the question: When would redistricting be appropriate?

It seems like an opinion among many here is never.


It’s appropriate to get rid of most of the attendance islands and split feeders at the ES level. Look at a map, I’m sure a few will jump out at you. It’s appropriate when there’s a school that’s overcrowded next to an underenrolled school that can take on some more students. WSHS’s boundaries are compact and not gerrymandered, so the first one doesn’t apply. There are some attendance islands and strange borders at the ES level, but those do not affect WSHS.

The second one is ehhhh. People at WSHS have reported that there are empty classrooms, and they’ve recently had an expansion and renovation so it’s not as though kids are in trailers. However, another point is if boundaries needed to be redrawn in that area, Lake Braddock and South County are also both under enrolled and could pick up quite a few students between the two schools. South County in particular would be a much shorter commute vs. Lewis for the kids on the southern end of WSHS’s boundary. Sangster could easily become a feeder just for LB (it is currently split) and that would jettison students from WSHS as well. Changing some ES boundaries in that area would also work to alleviate crowding at the elementary level, which is significant at Orange Hunt Elementary. There are still however issues to work through with regards to AAP centers touched on a few pages back.

Summary, there is room for change in the elementary schools that feed to WSHS. But those changes would not need to involve Lewis, which is a physically farther away school.
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Fall 2025 is the school board's stated goal.

They have mentioned this timeline at multiple work sessions.

If you have a high school student in the class of 2027 or 2028 (current rising sophomores and freshmen) you need to be VERY concerned, especially if you are not within the walk zone to your high school.

The school board has mentioned this timeline, and minimal grandfathering of high school students many times.

When someone gives you insight to their plans, believe them.

When a politician lies by omission, hiding their true plans during their campaigns so they can get elected, expect nothing less from them than a complete disregard for constituents when they are in power.

If they prioritized student's well being, they would allow grandfathering for all enrolled high school students.

If they prioritized educational quality for the kids in failing schools like Lewis, they would have removed IB a long time ago and looked for real solutions, that do not require disrupting a bunch of kids to hopefully hide the failures without actually fixing the problems.

If they valued constituents, they would not have voted for a plan that concentrates power affecting student well being, communities, and housing values, with a single, unelected, overpaid bureaucrat, to try to remove the responsibility of elected officials to their voters in their district.

If the Springfield district representative was actually representing the will of her actual voters, she would have either come out strongly against the rezoning plan, OR very strongly in support of extensive grandfathering of high school students.

She did neither, so she is clearly not performing her duties to represent her constituents.

Please vote better in 2027. Ultimately, this is the outcome of voting choices made by the voters in our county, not just for school board but also for the board of supervisors that gerrymandered 22152 and the Springfield district to try to get rid of the last moderate politician in all of Northern Virginia. If you get rezoned, and voted blue no matter who, this is the policies you support being put into action.


Reid is the one will be driving this bus. She had said a company will study it and they will take 18 months. So that would be fall 2026.

Do we think that in 1 year they will have boundaries redrawn?


You think 🤔 that with computer modeling, other forms of A.I and the general ideas they clearly already have that they couldn’t get this done in a year? 🤣
Facilities could do it themselves and certainly a consultant can.
Expect your “listening sessions” early in the spring and your final boundaries around June.


The board members will look at them and then there will be time for tinkering around the edges to protect this community or that. This particular battle has only just begun.


Protect from what?


Come on, the board members don’t all believe in equity rezoning. Some are true believers and some are asleep at the wheel. But others will be able to be convinced to change a neighborhood here or there to give them a better deal. Or to nakedly protect their own neighborhoods, to keep them at the current schools or reassign them to the “better” ones. Some board members have higher political ambitions. There will 100% be back door wheelings and dealings.


You didn't answer the question. Is there danger? Why the need to protect?


DP. Ask Karen Corbett Sanders and Matt Dunne.

The correlation between the recent expansion of West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when there was space at Mount Vernon and the answer to your question should be roughly 100%.

[That having been accomplished, Dunne - Corbett-Sanders' hand-picked successor - is all about saving money and not investing in facilities anywhere else.]


Be honest. Why are you unwilling to say what the danger is?


THE DANGER IS BEING ASSIGNED TO A LESSER PERFORMING SCHOOL YOU DERP. The same thing people have been fighting about for the last 400 pages. Try to keep up!


Why is this a danger to high performing UMC kids?


I think you’re sealioning, first of all. But:

1) Moving schools in the middle of HS means that you lose out on the leadership opportunities you may have had at your former HS, had you been allowed to stay there. This is particularly bad for juniors and possibly sophomores. There has been at least one poster on here who said she would send a rising 9th grader to Lewis with other kids from the neighborhood if need be, but sending a junior to another school for 2 years is hugely disruptive. There needs to be grandfathering, even if WSHS kids need to find their own transportation. Fortunately their boundaries are compact to the point that a kid could likely bike from the southern end of the boundary to WSHS.

2) The SB has not guaranteed classes that would be available at Lewis vs. WSHS. A kid on the highest math track could end up simply not having classes to take as a senior, and would end up less prepared for college than if they had been at WSHS all 4 years. I also don’t know if Lewis is all AP at this point or if they’re still partially holding on to IB. Whereas WSHS is all AP.

3) they aren’t reporting any of this anymore, but the last school year that had safety and security data accurately reported for the full SY was 2018-2019. WSHS had 87 safety offenses and 0 weapons offenses. Lewis had 238 safety offenses, with a smaller student population, and 3 weapons offenses - and 7 in SY 2019-2020 which was cut short due to Covid!

4) You can’t say that every WSHS kid is from a nice graduate educated $300k+ income family and will immediately go to another school and be a shining star. There are lots of kids who are kept on the fairly straight and narrow just by having a largely good peer group.


Hopefully reassigned families can encourage their kids to become leaders in the new school, push for more AP and demand safe schools.


So why should a couple dozen teenagers from another school be bussed in and tasked to fix the problems that you and the other parents whose kids are zoned for that school were unable to fix?

If you, an adult parent at that school, and the other parents at that school, can't fix the problems, why should it be the responsibility of a group of teenagers who belong at their original school?


Interesting word choice.


DP. I just read this to mean “deserve to attend” the HS they were already attending or expected to attend.

Enough with the constant insinuations - it just makes you and the School Board members you are shilling for look like nut jobs.


I haven’t been too active in this thread, but I just can’t get around the question: When would redistricting be appropriate?

It seems like an opinion among many here is never.


When a school is so overcrowded that a sizable percentage of the parents at the school are asking for relief or so under-enrolled that its ability to offer a suitable curriculum to its students is meaningfully compromised.

That’s effectively been the rule of thumb for decades and, while it’s been abused by some School Board members, it’s generally worked OK. No one knows exactly what they plan to do now; the only thing that is clear is that when a School Board that has never met a dime it wouldn’t spend and has approved wasteful capital projects such as Dunn Loring ES claims it is being driven by considerations of “efficiency” (which parrots language in the state legislation) they may have other things in mind as well.


The reality is that most of the over crowded schools asked for relief in the form of an expansion, they did not want to shift boundaries. And this is not always because they didn’t want to move to a high FARMs or high ELL school. McLean has been asking for an expansion and resisted moving kids to Langley from McLean. The two schools are similar in a lot of ways but the McLean families wanted to stay at McLean.

Expansions have been approved and completed in the last 10 years or so. Shifting from expansions to whoever asks to shift boundaries and use available seats is a shift in recent policy.

I don’t think those expansions should be have been approved, I think they should have shifted boundaries. The school board didn’t want to deal with the mess that boundary shifts causes, see this 417 page thread as evidence. They used the argument that it wasn’t too expensive to do so while schools were going through renovation. I really don’t understand the out of queue renovations and expansions that were authorized.

As a parent in an area that was shifted to SLHS, I get it. I would prefer Oakton to SLHS. My child would do better with AP, he is a STEM kid and I think the AP course offerings in math and science would be better for him than IB. I am not excited by the school within a school aspect of SLHS. That said, I am not so unhappy with SLHS that we are looking at private schools. We might look at placing at Oakton for AP and Japanese but that will my kids choice. He might prefer to stay with his friends at SLHS and we will be fine with that. The kids we know at SLHS have been happy there and have gone some really strong schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Social justice experiment.

School board’s plan, bring in some UMC kids to set a good example and help out the poor performers.

Reality, economic situation of poor performers improves as UMC kids shaken down for their lunch money.


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Snotty self righteous democrat UMC pull their kids and enroll them in private schools or pool their money and form fancy homeschool co-ops and continue to vote for the party that did the things to make them leave public school.

Some schools decline in test scores and extracurricular excellence but overall a win because everyone gets to feel all fuzzy and blue inside.


Poster above you and this is true. We tried to vote this school board out but many didn’t. We personally know many families who switched to private in the past couple of years. We live in the Madison district and you can see, their enrollment has declined. People are quick to leave if they don’t like it and many can afford it.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2023-24StudentMembershipDashboard/ReadMe


Congratulations, you all are now Alexandria but without the Old Town area and waterfront. I didn't think that model would work for Fairfax since, in my opinion, there is no point to the county if the schools are bad. But apparently people want to buy a house, pay more for private, and vote in a virtue signaling school board focused on national social justice issues


Nice neighborhoods and houses are still nice. Fairfax has some pretty scenery too.
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Anonymous wrote:Social justice experiment.

School board’s plan, bring in some UMC kids to set a good example and help out the poor performers.

Reality, economic situation of poor performers improves as UMC kids shaken down for their lunch money.


More like

Snotty self righteous democrat UMC pull their kids and enroll them in private schools or pool their money and form fancy homeschool co-ops and continue to vote for the party that did the things to make them leave public school.

Some schools decline in test scores and extracurricular excellence but overall a win because everyone gets to feel all fuzzy and blue inside.


Poster above you and this is true. We tried to vote this school board out but many didn’t. We personally know many families who switched to private in the past couple of years. We live in the Madison district and you can see, their enrollment has declined. People are quick to leave if they don’t like it and many can afford it.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2023-24StudentMembershipDashboard/ReadMe

Stop assuming people voted for this school board bc they just always vote Dem without research. I researched and the non Dem aligned options sucked. Like really sucked. Like Moms for Liberty and let’s arm SOs type sucked. No, thanks.


The Springfield district Republican endorsed candidate was moderate, far more qualified than the Democrat endorsed candidate elected, education focused, and would have provided at least one voice of reason on the school board.

If you voted against her you were ill informed. Relying blue virginia propaganda is not reasoned research.


The Springfield District Republican candidate was a Moms for Liberty shill. Even Herrity didn't lift a finger to help her.

https://x.com/Moms4Liberty/status/1655929316654317570

While we're on the subject of the insane candidates the GOP ran for school board last year, let's take a look at a few:

There was the January 6th rioter who ran at large, Maureen Brody:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/glenn-youngkin-virginia-policy-fairfax-county-school-board-rcna122754

There was Cindy Walsh who ran in Sully District who was wrote a book claiming vaccines caused autism and spreads conspiracy theories:

https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Autism-Code-Toxicity-Vaccines/dp/1542767156

Lastly, let's not forget Harry Jackson in Hunter Mill who was arrested 3 times for beating his spouse, and made fun of an autistic kid:

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/harry-jackson-fairfax-school-board-candidate-was-arrested-three-times-for-assault-and-battery-of-wives-gop-student-with-autism-national-anthem-batterer-intervention-certificate-arlington-county-court-documents

These are the reasonable, moderate, well-qualified candidates? puh-leez.


Nothing worse than a mom who believes in liberty. Especially in America.
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School board’s plan, bring in some UMC kids to set a good example and help out the poor performers.

Reality, economic situation of poor performers improves as UMC kids shaken down for their lunch money.


More like

Snotty self righteous democrat UMC pull their kids and enroll them in private schools or pool their money and form fancy homeschool co-ops and continue to vote for the party that did the things to make them leave public school.

Some schools decline in test scores and extracurricular excellence but overall a win because everyone gets to feel all fuzzy and blue inside.


Poster above you and this is true. We tried to vote this school board out but many didn’t. We personally know many families who switched to private in the past couple of years. We live in the Madison district and you can see, their enrollment has declined. People are quick to leave if they don’t like it and many can afford it.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2023-24StudentMembershipDashboard/ReadMe


Congratulations, you all are now Alexandria but without the Old Town area and waterfront. I didn't think that model would work for Fairfax since, in my opinion, there is no point to the county if the schools are bad. But apparently people want to buy a house, pay more for private, and vote in a virtue signaling school board focused on national social justice issues


Bit of an exaggeration. The schools won’t actually be bad, just mediocre.
Until they roll out SBG countywide. THEN, they will all be bad.
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Anonymous wrote:Social justice experiment.

School board’s plan, bring in some UMC kids to set a good example and help out the poor performers.

Reality, economic situation of poor performers improves as UMC kids shaken down for their lunch money.


More like

Snotty self righteous democrat UMC pull their kids and enroll them in private schools or pool their money and form fancy homeschool co-ops and continue to vote for the party that did the things to make them leave public school.

Some schools decline in test scores and extracurricular excellence but overall a win because everyone gets to feel all fuzzy and blue inside.


Poster above you and this is true. We tried to vote this school board out but many didn’t. We personally know many families who switched to private in the past couple of years. We live in the Madison district and you can see, their enrollment has declined. People are quick to leave if they don’t like it and many can afford it.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2023-24StudentMembershipDashboard/ReadMe


Congratulations, you all are now Alexandria but without the Old Town area and waterfront. I didn't think that model would work for Fairfax since, in my opinion, there is no point to the county if the schools are bad. But apparently people want to buy a house, pay more for private, and vote in a virtue signaling school board focused on national social justice issues


Bit of an exaggeration. The schools won’t actually be bad, just mediocre.
Until they roll out SBG countywide. THEN, they will all be bad.

Are Alexandria schools bad? Why?
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Anonymous wrote:Social justice experiment.

School board’s plan, bring in some UMC kids to set a good example and help out the poor performers.

Reality, economic situation of poor performers improves as UMC kids shaken down for their lunch money.


More like

Snotty self righteous democrat UMC pull their kids and enroll them in private schools or pool their money and form fancy homeschool co-ops and continue to vote for the party that did the things to make them leave public school.

Some schools decline in test scores and extracurricular excellence but overall a win because everyone gets to feel all fuzzy and blue inside.


Poster above you and this is true. We tried to vote this school board out but many didn’t. We personally know many families who switched to private in the past couple of years. We live in the Madison district and you can see, their enrollment has declined. People are quick to leave if they don’t like it and many can afford it.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2023-24StudentMembershipDashboard/ReadMe

Stop assuming people voted for this school board bc they just always vote Dem without research. I researched and the non Dem aligned options sucked. Like really sucked. Like Moms for Liberty and let’s arm SOs type sucked. No, thanks.


The Springfield district Republican endorsed candidate was moderate, far more qualified than the Democrat endorsed candidate elected, education focused, and would have provided at least one voice of reason on the school board.

If you voted against her you were ill informed. Relying blue virginia propaganda is not reasoned research.


The Springfield District Republican candidate was a Moms for Liberty shill. Even Herrity didn't lift a finger to help her.

https://x.com/Moms4Liberty/status/1655929316654317570

While we're on the subject of the insane candidates the GOP ran for school board last year, let's take a look at a few:

There was the January 6th rioter who ran at large, Maureen Brody:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/glenn-youngkin-virginia-policy-fairfax-county-school-board-rcna122754

There was Cindy Walsh who ran in Sully District who was wrote a book claiming vaccines caused autism and spreads conspiracy theories:

https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Autism-Code-Toxicity-Vaccines/dp/1542767156

Lastly, let's not forget Harry Jackson in Hunter Mill who was arrested 3 times for beating his spouse, and made fun of an autistic kid:

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/harry-jackson-fairfax-school-board-candidate-was-arrested-three-times-for-assault-and-battery-of-wives-gop-student-with-autism-national-anthem-batterer-intervention-certificate-arlington-county-court-documents

These are the reasonable, moderate, well-qualified candidates? puh-leez.


You didn’t mention Paul Bartkowski. He struck me as a conservative Catholic with traditional values, but he was also a local parent who had a clue about conditions in some of the local schools. Despite having worked at Chantilly for years, Robyn Lady seemed clueless to me, and we’ve been watching that play out recently as she’s been all over the place when it’s come to how FCPS should approach boundary changes.


He did not have a clue — he was going on false information about what was taught in schools.
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People on here really do treat Lewis like it is full of the untouchables. Sad.
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Anonymous wrote:Can we back to the basics? What is the timeline for these boundary changes?


Fall 2025 is the school board's stated goal.

They have mentioned this timeline at multiple work sessions.

If you have a high school student in the class of 2027 or 2028 (current rising sophomores and freshmen) you need to be VERY concerned, especially if you are not within the walk zone to your high school.

The school board has mentioned this timeline, and minimal grandfathering of high school students many times.

When someone gives you insight to their plans, believe them.

When a politician lies by omission, hiding their true plans during their campaigns so they can get elected, expect nothing less from them than a complete disregard for constituents when they are in power.

If they prioritized student's well being, they would allow grandfathering for all enrolled high school students.

If they prioritized educational quality for the kids in failing schools like Lewis, they would have removed IB a long time ago and looked for real solutions, that do not require disrupting a bunch of kids to hopefully hide the failures without actually fixing the problems.

If they valued constituents, they would not have voted for a plan that concentrates power affecting student well being, communities, and housing values, with a single, unelected, overpaid bureaucrat, to try to remove the responsibility of elected officials to their voters in their district.

If the Springfield district representative was actually representing the will of her actual voters, she would have either come out strongly against the rezoning plan, OR very strongly in support of extensive grandfathering of high school students.

She did neither, so she is clearly not performing her duties to represent her constituents.

Please vote better in 2027. Ultimately, this is the outcome of voting choices made by the voters in our county, not just for school board but also for the board of supervisors that gerrymandered 22152 and the Springfield district to try to get rid of the last moderate politician in all of Northern Virginia. If you get rezoned, and voted blue no matter who, this is the policies you support being put into action.


Reid is the one will be driving this bus. She had said a company will study it and they will take 18 months. So that would be fall 2026.

Do we think that in 1 year they will have boundaries redrawn?


You think 🤔 that with computer modeling, other forms of A.I and the general ideas they clearly already have that they couldn’t get this done in a year? 🤣
Facilities could do it themselves and certainly a consultant can.
Expect your “listening sessions” early in the spring and your final boundaries around June.


The board members will look at them and then there will be time for tinkering around the edges to protect this community or that. This particular battle has only just begun.


Protect from what?


Come on, the board members don’t all believe in equity rezoning. Some are true believers and some are asleep at the wheel. But others will be able to be convinced to change a neighborhood here or there to give them a better deal. Or to nakedly protect their own neighborhoods, to keep them at the current schools or reassign them to the “better” ones. Some board members have higher political ambitions. There will 100% be back door wheelings and dealings.


You didn't answer the question. Is there danger? Why the need to protect?


DP. Ask Karen Corbett Sanders and Matt Dunne.

The correlation between the recent expansion of West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when there was space at Mount Vernon and the answer to your question should be roughly 100%.

[That having been accomplished, Dunne - Corbett-Sanders' hand-picked successor - is all about saving money and not investing in facilities anywhere else.]


Be honest. Why are you unwilling to say what the danger is?


THE DANGER IS BEING ASSIGNED TO A LESSER PERFORMING SCHOOL YOU DERP. The same thing people have been fighting about for the last 400 pages. Try to keep up!


Why is this a danger to high performing UMC kids?


I think you’re sealioning, first of all. But:

1) Moving schools in the middle of HS means that you lose out on the leadership opportunities you may have had at your former HS, had you been allowed to stay there. This is particularly bad for juniors and possibly sophomores. There has been at least one poster on here who said she would send a rising 9th grader to Lewis with other kids from the neighborhood if need be, but sending a junior to another school for 2 years is hugely disruptive. There needs to be grandfathering, even if WSHS kids need to find their own transportation. Fortunately their boundaries are compact to the point that a kid could likely bike from the southern end of the boundary to WSHS.

2) The SB has not guaranteed classes that would be available at Lewis vs. WSHS. A kid on the highest math track could end up simply not having classes to take as a senior, and would end up less prepared for college than if they had been at WSHS all 4 years. I also don’t know if Lewis is all AP at this point or if they’re still partially holding on to IB. Whereas WSHS is all AP.

3) they aren’t reporting any of this anymore, but the last school year that had safety and security data accurately reported for the full SY was 2018-2019. WSHS had 87 safety offenses and 0 weapons offenses. Lewis had 238 safety offenses, with a smaller student population, and 3 weapons offenses - and 7 in SY 2019-2020 which was cut short due to Covid!

4) You can’t say that every WSHS kid is from a nice graduate educated $300k+ income family and will immediately go to another school and be a shining star. There are lots of kids who are kept on the fairly straight and narrow just by having a largely good peer group.


Hopefully reassigned families can encourage their kids to become leaders in the new school, push for more AP and demand safe schools.


So why should a couple dozen teenagers from another school be bussed in and tasked to fix the problems that you and the other parents whose kids are zoned for that school were unable to fix?

If you, an adult parent at that school, and the other parents at that school, can't fix the problems, why should it be the responsibility of a group of teenagers who belong at their original school?


Interesting word choice.


DP. I just read this to mean “deserve to attend” the HS they were already attending or expected to attend.

Enough with the constant insinuations - it just makes you and the School Board members you are shilling for look like nut jobs.


I haven’t been too active in this thread, but I just can’t get around the question: When would redistricting be appropriate?

It seems like an opinion among many here is never.


When a school is so overcrowded that a sizable percentage of the parents at the school are asking for relief or so under-enrolled that its ability to offer a suitable curriculum to its students is meaningfully compromised.

That’s effectively been the rule of thumb for decades and, while it’s been abused by some School Board members, it’s generally worked OK. No one knows exactly what they plan to do now; the only thing that is clear is that when a School Board that has never met a dime it wouldn’t spend and has approved wasteful capital projects such as Dunn Loring ES claims it is being driven by considerations of “efficiency” (which parrots language in the state legislation) they may have other things in mind as well.


The reality is that most of the over crowded schools asked for relief in the form of an expansion, they did not want to shift boundaries. And this is not always because they didn’t want to move to a high FARMs or high ELL school. McLean has been asking for an expansion and resisted moving kids to Langley from McLean. The two schools are similar in a lot of ways but the McLean families wanted to stay at McLean.

Expansions have been approved and completed in the last 10 years or so. Shifting from expansions to whoever asks to shift boundaries and use available seats is a shift in recent policy.

I don’t think those expansions should be have been approved, I think they should have shifted boundaries. The school board didn’t want to deal with the mess that boundary shifts causes, see this 417 page thread as evidence. They used the argument that it wasn’t too expensive to do so while schools were going through renovation. I really don’t understand the out of queue renovations and expansions that were authorized.

As a parent in an area that was shifted to SLHS, I get it. I would prefer Oakton to SLHS. My child would do better with AP, he is a STEM kid and I think the AP course offerings in math and science would be better for him than IB. I am not excited by the school within a school aspect of SLHS. That said, I am not so unhappy with SLHS that we are looking at private schools. We might look at placing at Oakton for AP and Japanese but that will my kids choice. He might prefer to stay with his friends at SLHS and we will be fine with that. The kids we know at SLHS have been happy there and have gone some really strong schools.



Some McLean families welcomed the 2021 boundary change with Langley. Others opposed it. The biggest predictor was whether a family already had kids at McLean or instead only had younger kids at an ES that primarily fed to Langley. The former tended to oppose the boundary change. The latter tended to support it.

The approach to that boundary change was fairly crude. McLean was over-crowded and Langley was under-enrolled, so only boundary changes that would move McLean kids to Langley were considered. (As opposed to taking a broader look at the boundaries).

In comparison, the more recent boundary changes to address the overcrowding at Kent Gardens ES took a different approach. They did not just consider options that would only move kids out of Kent Gardens to other ES in the McLean pyramid, but instead looked at creating new boundaries in the pyramid that would make sense longer-term. So a bunch of kids were moved out of Kent Gardens, but then also out of the school (Franklin Sherman) that received the most kids from KG. In the process they were able to eliminate the split feeder at FS so that kids who were headed to Cooper/Langley could attend Churchill Road ES instead.
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