FCPS HS Boundary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting civil war taking place now on the FairFACTS Matters page on FB between Langley parents who are trying to protect Langley's boundaries under the guise of doing what's best for everyone in the county and hard-core conservatives like Luke Rosiak who are vocally advocating for the group to adopt an anti-immigrant stance, vote for Republican candidates, pull their kids ASAP from FCPS, and advocate for vouchers and other private school subsidies.

Not surprisingly, the insurgents (Rosiak and his sympathizers) get the support of a lot of the local parents, who are already quite conservative and have been confused by statements from FairFACTS Matters leaders suggesting that FCPS should look at public-private partnerships in Detroit as a model. Great Falls residents aren't very used to seeing Detroit held out as a useful model for their community.

Skip Detroit and look at how South County got built on an expedited basis- public land swap and construction via a public/private partnership. This Langley boundary issue has been going on long before OneFairfax. 1993 by 3 south of 7 developemnts proposed to move out of Great Falls Elementary [Langley] to Forestville {Herndon] and portions of Forestville [Herndon] to new school Aldrin-[ Herndon] in Reston. So FCPS flipped Forestville for the 3 C's but continued to add new unoccupied housing plus retained odd bits and pieces in the Forestville boundaries that could have been assigned to a slew of sites including Dranesville, Armstrong, Aldrin, Forest Edge [South Lakes].

[Anonymous]

Social justice experiment.

School board’s plan, bring in some UMC kids to set a good example and help out the poor performers.

Reality, economic situation of poor performers improves as UMC kids shaken down for their lunch money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting civil war taking place now on the FairFACTS Matters page on FB between Langley parents who are trying to protect Langley's boundaries under the guise of doing what's best for everyone in the county and hard-core conservatives like Luke Rosiak who are vocally advocating for the group to adopt an anti-immigrant stance, vote for Republican candidates, pull their kids ASAP from FCPS, and advocate for vouchers and other private school subsidies.

Not surprisingly, the insurgents (Rosiak and his sympathizers) get the support of a lot of the local parents, who are already quite conservative and have been confused by statements from FairFACTS Matters leaders suggesting that FCPS should look at public-private partnerships in Detroit as a model. Great Falls residents aren't very used to seeing Detroit held out as a useful model for their community.

If he is just pointing out what we all know— that it’s democrats who oppose school choice, favor “surging” to the border and on the county level are the ones who began working on boundary policy with an “equal outcomes for all” aim, he’s not wrong.

That group is free to prioritize other school board values like standards-based grading (another policy designed to make outcomes equal), graphic books in school libraries and boys who feel like a girl today having access to spaces meant for females OVER and above keeping their community school.

What goes on in schools is way more important than which child/neighborhood goes to which building.

In the end, most of them are democrats and will come around to the school board’s way of thinking. You’ll see.

Here’s where we will see if the rich 🤑 liberals of Great Falls really have enough money to exit the school system.

They are reacting like the rich liberals of Martha’s Vineyard when the poor brown illegals whose arrival to America they supported actually showed up in their town.
They pouted and protested and paid good money to send them away (after they gave them some sandwiches and iced tea)

What about it, Great Falls? You have enough to buy your way out of the “problem” you helped create?

It doesn’t take Martha’s Vineyard money to rent an apartment in a different school district for a few years. In fact most of us paid more in daycare for our kids than that would cost.

It’ll crowd out other families who need that housing, but that’s the law of unintended consequences.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Where are the apartments in Langley’s district?

NP. Or private school. Let’s be real here. More will pull for private. We are not zoned for Langley but are already thinking about HS options. If my house got rezoned to a school we didn’t like we would go private. It’s about 50/50 private and public in our neighborhood and it’s a high SES area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Social justice experiment.

School board’s plan, bring in some UMC kids to set a good example and help out the poor performers.

Reality, economic situation of poor performers improves as UMC kids shaken down for their lunch money.

More like

Snotty self righteous democrat UMC pull their kids and enroll them in private schools or pool their money and form fancy homeschool co-ops and continue to vote for the party that did the things to make them leave public school.

Some schools decline in test scores and extracurricular excellence but overall a win because everyone gets to feel all fuzzy and blue inside.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Social justice experiment.

School board’s plan, bring in some UMC kids to set a good example and help out the poor performers.

Reality, economic situation of poor performers improves as UMC kids shaken down for their lunch money.

More like

Snotty self righteous democrat UMC pull their kids and enroll them in private schools or pool their money and form fancy homeschool co-ops and continue to vote for the party that did the things to make them leave public school.

Some schools decline in test scores and extracurricular excellence but overall a win because everyone gets to feel all fuzzy and blue inside.

Poster above you and this is true. We tried to vote this school board out but many didn’t. We personally know many families who switched to private in the past couple of years. We live in the Madison district and you can see, their enrollment has declined. People are quick to leave if they don’t like it and many can afford it.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2023-24StudentMembershipDashboard/ReadMe

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Social justice experiment.

School board’s plan, bring in some UMC kids to set a good example and help out the poor performers.

Reality, economic situation of poor performers improves as UMC kids shaken down for their lunch money.

More like

Snotty self righteous democrat UMC pull their kids and enroll them in private schools or pool their money and form fancy homeschool co-ops and continue to vote for the party that did the things to make them leave public school.

Some schools decline in test scores and extracurricular excellence but overall a win because everyone gets to feel all fuzzy and blue inside.

Poster above you and this is true. We tried to vote this school board out but many didn’t. We personally know many families who switched to private in the past couple of years. We live in the Madison district and you can see, their enrollment has declined. People are quick to leave if they don’t like it and many can afford it.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2023-24StudentMembershipDashboard/ReadMe

Congratulations, you all are now Alexandria but without the Old Town area and waterfront. I didn't think that model would work for Fairfax since, in my opinion, there is no point to the county if the schools are bad. But apparently people want to buy a house, pay more for private, and vote in a virtue signaling school board focused on national social justice issues

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Social justice experiment.

School board’s plan, bring in some UMC kids to set a good example and help out the poor performers.

Reality, economic situation of poor performers improves as UMC kids shaken down for their lunch money.

More like

Snotty self righteous democrat UMC pull their kids and enroll them in private schools or pool their money and form fancy homeschool co-ops and continue to vote for the party that did the things to make them leave public school.

Some schools decline in test scores and extracurricular excellence but overall a win because everyone gets to feel all fuzzy and blue inside.

Poster above you and this is true. We tried to vote this school board out but many didn’t. We personally know many families who switched to private in the past couple of years. We live in the Madison district and you can see, their enrollment has declined. People are quick to leave if they don’t like it and many can afford it.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2023-24StudentMembershipDashboard/ReadMe

Stop assuming people voted for this school board bc they just always vote Dem without research. I researched and the non Dem aligned options sucked. Like really sucked. Like Moms for Liberty and let’s arm SOs type sucked. No, thanks.

[Anonymous]

Because they are going to redraw the lines there will be apartments pulled in from Tysons and other parts of McLean HS area. So there will be apartments to rent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Social justice experiment.

School board’s plan, bring in some UMC kids to set a good example and help out the poor performers.

Reality, economic situation of poor performers improves as UMC kids shaken down for their lunch money.

More like

Snotty self righteous democrat UMC pull their kids and enroll them in private schools or pool their money and form fancy homeschool co-ops and continue to vote for the party that did the things to make them leave public school.

Some schools decline in test scores and extracurricular excellence but overall a win because everyone gets to feel all fuzzy and blue inside.

Poster above you and this is true. We tried to vote this school board out but many didn’t. We personally know many families who switched to private in the past couple of years. We live in the Madison district and you can see, their enrollment has declined. People are quick to leave if they don’t like it and many can afford it.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2023-24StudentMembershipDashboard/ReadMe

Stop assuming people voted for this school board bc they just always vote Dem without research. I researched and the non Dem aligned options sucked. Like really sucked. Like Moms for Liberty and let’s arm SOs type sucked. No, thanks.

The Springfield district Republican endorsed candidate was moderate, far more qualified than the Democrat endorsed candidate elected, education focused, and would have provided at least one voice of reason on the school board.

If you voted against her you were ill informed. Relying blue virginia propaganda is not reasoned research.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Social justice experiment.

School board’s plan, bring in some UMC kids to set a good example and help out the poor performers.

Reality, economic situation of poor performers improves as UMC kids shaken down for their lunch money.

More like

Snotty self righteous democrat UMC pull their kids and enroll them in private schools or pool their money and form fancy homeschool co-ops and continue to vote for the party that did the things to make them leave public school.

Some schools decline in test scores and extracurricular excellence but overall a win because everyone gets to feel all fuzzy and blue inside.

Poster above you and this is true. We tried to vote this school board out but many didn’t. We personally know many families who switched to private in the past couple of years. We live in the Madison district and you can see, their enrollment has declined. People are quick to leave if they don’t like it and many can afford it.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2023-24StudentMembershipDashboard/ReadMe

Stop assuming people voted for this school board bc they just always vote Dem without research. I researched and the non Dem aligned options sucked. Like really sucked. Like Moms for Liberty and let’s arm SOs type sucked. No, thanks.

So in doing your research you knew they were working on this.

Quit your bittching then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because they are going to redraw the lines there will be apartments pulled in from Tysons and other parts of McLean HS area. So there will be apartments to rent.

What about the parts of Falls Church that feed into McLean HS?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Social justice experiment.

School board’s plan, bring in some UMC kids to set a good example and help out the poor performers.

Reality, economic situation of poor performers improves as UMC kids shaken down for their lunch money.

More like

Snotty self righteous democrat UMC pull their kids and enroll them in private schools or pool their money and form fancy homeschool co-ops and continue to vote for the party that did the things to make them leave public school.

Some schools decline in test scores and extracurricular excellence but overall a win because everyone gets to feel all fuzzy and blue inside.

Poster above you and this is true. We tried to vote this school board out but many didn’t. We personally know many families who switched to private in the past couple of years. We live in the Madison district and you can see, their enrollment has declined. People are quick to leave if they don’t like it and many can afford it.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2023-24StudentMembershipDashboard/ReadMe

Stop assuming people voted for this school board bc they just always vote Dem without research. I researched and the non Dem aligned options sucked. Like really sucked. Like Moms for Liberty and let’s arm SOs type sucked. No, thanks.

The Springfield district Republican endorsed candidate was moderate, far more qualified than the Democrat endorsed candidate elected, education focused, and would have provided at least one voice of reason on the school board.

If you voted against her you were ill informed. Relying blue virginia propaganda is not reasoned research.

The Springfield District Republican candidate was a Moms for Liberty shill. Even Herrity didn't lift a finger to help her.

https://x.com/Moms4Liberty/status/1655929316654317570

While we're on the subject of the insane candidates the GOP ran for school board last year, let's take a look at a few:

There was the January 6th rioter who ran at large, Maureen Brody:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/glenn-youngkin-virginia-policy-fairfax-county-school-board-rcna122754

There was Cindy Walsh who ran in Sully District who was wrote a book claiming vaccines caused autism and spreads conspiracy theories:

https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Autism-Code-Toxicity-Vaccines/dp/1542767156

Lastly, let's not forget Harry Jackson in Hunter Mill who was arrested 3 times for beating his spouse, and made fun of an autistic kid:

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/harry-jackson-fairfax-school-board-candidate-was-arrested-three-times-for-assault-and-battery-of-wives-gop-student-with-autism-national-anthem-batterer-intervention-certificate-arlington-county-court-documents

These are the reasonable, moderate, well-qualified candidates? puh-leez.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Social justice experiment.

School board’s plan, bring in some UMC kids to set a good example and help out the poor performers.

Reality, economic situation of poor performers improves as UMC kids shaken down for their lunch money.

South Lakes HS test scores went up after more MC and UMC kids were moved to SLHS. I have not seen any evidence that points to test scores improving for the ELL and the FARMs students who were already at SLHS but the move did increase the scores enough that SLHS is a middle teir HS in FCPS.

I think more people would be happy there, and have to stay, if they dropped the IB program and brought in AP. There are a good number of students who place out to attend AP schools.

On the face of things, the SLHS move was a win, test scores improved. Has it directly helped the kids it was intended to help? I doubt it but I don’t know. Is there a school within a school at SLHS? Yes. It is no different than Herndon, Lewis, Justice, or Mt. Vernon in that regard. What is different is that the cohort in IB and Honors classes is larger. The kids in the program seem to be happy and they are going to good colleges. The sports program has been strong.

In all honesty, I think most of the families that were moved would have preferred to stay at their original schools. I would prefer less of two schools in one school and a larger community feel for my kid. Academically, the kids are doing well and having success. I understand the desire to not move for all those reasons. Academically, it has worked out fine for the kids at SLHS but it is not our ideal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because they are going to redraw the lines there will be apartments pulled in from Tysons and other parts of McLean HS area. So there will be apartments to rent.

What about the parts of Falls Church that feed into McLean HS?

I would expect the Haycock and Lemon Road areas in Falls Church to stay at McLean and for the Timber Lane attendance island to get moved to Falls Church. That would eliminate a split feeder and help justify the ongoing expansion of Falls Church to 2500 seats.

They could do this in addition to or in lieu of moving the Spring Hill apartments and condos to Langley to eliminate that split feeder (and justify moving part of Great Falls to Herndon).

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Anonymous wrote:Can we back to the basics? What is the timeline for these boundary changes?

Fall 2025 is the school board's stated goal.

They have mentioned this timeline at multiple work sessions.

If you have a high school student in the class of 2027 or 2028 (current rising sophomores and freshmen) you need to be VERY concerned, especially if you are not within the walk zone to your high school.

The school board has mentioned this timeline, and minimal grandfathering of high school students many times.

When someone gives you insight to their plans, believe them.

When a politician lies by omission, hiding their true plans during their campaigns so they can get elected, expect nothing less from them than a complete disregard for constituents when they are in power.

If they prioritized student's well being, they would allow grandfathering for all enrolled high school students.

If they prioritized educational quality for the kids in failing schools like Lewis, they would have removed IB a long time ago and looked for real solutions, that do not require disrupting a bunch of kids to hopefully hide the failures without actually fixing the problems.

If they valued constituents, they would not have voted for a plan that concentrates power affecting student well being, communities, and housing values, with a single, unelected, overpaid bureaucrat, to try to remove the responsibility of elected officials to their voters in their district.

If the Springfield district representative was actually representing the will of her actual voters, she would have either come out strongly against the rezoning plan, OR very strongly in support of extensive grandfathering of high school students.

She did neither, so she is clearly not performing her duties to represent her constituents.

Please vote better in 2027. Ultimately, this is the outcome of voting choices made by the voters in our county, not just for school board but also for the board of supervisors that gerrymandered 22152 and the Springfield district to try to get rid of the last moderate politician in all of Northern Virginia. If you get rezoned, and voted blue no matter who, this is the policies you support being put into action.

Reid is the one will be driving this bus. She had said a company will study it and they will take 18 months. So that would be fall 2026.

Do we think that in 1 year they will have boundaries redrawn?

You think 🤔 that with computer modeling, other forms of A.I and the general ideas they clearly already have that they couldn’t get this done in a year? 🤣
Facilities could do it themselves and certainly a consultant can.
Expect your “listening sessions” early in the spring and your final boundaries around June.

The board members will look at them and then there will be time for tinkering around the edges to protect this community or that. This particular battle has only just begun.

Protect from what?

Come on, the board members don’t all believe in equity rezoning. Some are true believers and some are asleep at the wheel. But others will be able to be convinced to change a neighborhood here or there to give them a better deal. Or to nakedly protect their own neighborhoods, to keep them at the current schools or reassign them to the “better” ones. Some board members have higher political ambitions. There will 100% be back door wheelings and dealings.

You didn't answer the question. Is there danger? Why the need to protect?

DP. Ask Karen Corbett Sanders and Matt Dunne.

The correlation between the recent expansion of West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when there was space at Mount Vernon and the answer to your question should be roughly 100%.

[That having been accomplished, Dunne - Corbett-Sanders' hand-picked successor - is all about saving money and not investing in facilities anywhere else.]

Be honest. Why are you unwilling to say what the danger is?

THE DANGER IS BEING ASSIGNED TO A LESSER PERFORMING SCHOOL YOU DERP. The same thing people have been fighting about for the last 400 pages. Try to keep up!

Why is this a danger to high performing UMC kids?

I think you’re sealioning, first of all. But:

1) Moving schools in the middle of HS means that you lose out on the leadership opportunities you may have had at your former HS, had you been allowed to stay there. This is particularly bad for juniors and possibly sophomores. There has been at least one poster on here who said she would send a rising 9th grader to Lewis with other kids from the neighborhood if need be, but sending a junior to another school for 2 years is hugely disruptive. There needs to be grandfathering, even if WSHS kids need to find their own transportation. Fortunately their boundaries are compact to the point that a kid could likely bike from the southern end of the boundary to WSHS.

2) The SB has not guaranteed classes that would be available at Lewis vs. WSHS. A kid on the highest math track could end up simply not having classes to take as a senior, and would end up less prepared for college than if they had been at WSHS all 4 years. I also don’t know if Lewis is all AP at this point or if they’re still partially holding on to IB. Whereas WSHS is all AP.

3) they aren’t reporting any of this anymore, but the last school year that had safety and security data accurately reported for the full SY was 2018-2019. WSHS had 87 safety offenses and 0 weapons offenses. Lewis had 238 safety offenses, with a smaller student population, and 3 weapons offenses - and 7 in SY 2019-2020 which was cut short due to Covid!

4) You can’t say that every WSHS kid is from a nice graduate educated $300k+ income family and will immediately go to another school and be a shining star. There are lots of kids who are kept on the fairly straight and narrow just by having a largely good peer group.

Hopefully reassigned families can encourage their kids to become leaders in the new school, push for more AP and demand safe schools.

So why should a couple dozen teenagers from another school be bussed in and tasked to fix the problems that you and the other parents whose kids are zoned for that school were unable to fix?

If you, an adult parent at that school, and the other parents at that school, can't fix the problems, why should it be the responsibility of a group of teenagers who belong at their original school?

Interesting word choice.