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I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.

US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

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Having a kid who does ODP and CCL , I never thought of there being any official connection between the two. Instead, I think it's more that CCL has many of the top USYS teams in the state as members and draws many of the top coaches, and those top coaches probably have more of an interest and importantly, the talent, to be selected as an ODP coach. But you won't see US Club (ECNL and NPL) coaches at ODP because they're in a different sanctioning organization.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having a kid who does ODP and CCL , I never thought of there being any official connection between the two. Instead, I think it's more that CCL has many of the top USYS teams in the state as members and draws many of the top coaches, and those top coaches probably have more of an interest and importantly, the talent, to be selected as an ODP coach. But you won't see US Club (ECNL and NPL) coaches at ODP because they're in a different sanctioning organization.

CCL Is not an elite league. Please stop calling it that. It's the best local competition for u-9 to u-12. That's it and that's all. It's a little kid league. Thats why it's abandoned at the older levels

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having a kid who does ODP and CCL , I never thought of there being any official connection between the two. Instead, I think it's more that CCL has many of the top USYS teams in the state as members and draws many of the top coaches, and those top coaches probably have more of an interest and importantly, the talent, to be selected as an ODP coach. But you won't see US Club (ECNL and NPL) coaches at ODP because they're in a different sanctioning organization.

A couple of quick fact checks - CCL is sanctioned by usys - its teams compete in state / regional / national usys competition (and so does NCSL).

VSA (NPL org) has several ODP coaches. I've seen McLean coaches there as well.

Fact is many (most?) clubs now register teams with both us club and usys (vysa for Virginia). Some clubs discourage ODP some encourage it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having a kid who does ODP and CCL , I never thought of there being any official connection between the two. Instead, I think it's more that CCL has many of the top USYS teams in the state as members and draws many of the top coaches, and those top coaches probably have more of an interest and importantly, the talent, to be selected as an ODP coach. But you won't see US Club (ECNL and NPL) coaches at ODP because they're in a different sanctioning organization.

CCL Is not an elite league. Please stop calling it that. It's the best local competition for u-9 to u-12. That's it and that's all. It's a little kid league. Thats why it's abandoned at the older levels

Not the CCL Guy again- you apologized to the while board and started a new thread for this -

(CCL is not a great league for U12 and below as shown by the many posts complaining about it's lack of enough games, organization, and unnecessary regional travel. Playing the same few clubs over and over is not great. CCL2 us even worse.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having a kid who does ODP and CCL , I never thought of there being any official connection between the two. Instead, I think it's more that CCL has many of the top USYS teams in the state as members and draws many of the top coaches, and those top coaches probably have more of an interest and importantly, the talent, to be selected as an ODP coach. But you won't see US Club (ECNL and NPL) coaches at ODP because they're in a different sanctioning organization.

A couple of quick fact checks - CCL is sanctioned by usys - its teams compete in state / regional / national usys competition (and so does NCSL).

VSA (NPL org) has several ODP coaches. I've seen McLean coaches there as well.

Fact is many (most?) clubs now register teams with both us club and usys (vysa for Virginia). Some clubs discourage ODP some encourage it.

Registered/affiliated with is not the same as has-financial-interests-tied-to. The VYSA and CCL have coaches in common and other links, for sure, but it's not an official one the way that US Club Soccer has a financial interest in the NPL, ENPL, and ECNL leagues. In other words, NPL etc flourishing matters more to US CLub soccer than CCL flourishing matters to USYS. USYS cares more (from an internal financial interest perspective) about ODP and the national championship/region i stuff than it does about CCL. And in the long run that will give NPL more of a shot at long-term health than CCL.

[Anonymous]

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I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.

US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

Wow are you wrong. I'm not the biggest fan of CCL but they aren't going anywhere. DA is going to be the top league on both the boys and girls side, and now boys ECNL is getting into the mix and the players have to come from someplace. ECNL and the NPL leagues will be even more watered down and will be even weaker. Thats why NPL, to include VPL will be the ones to wane. US club soccer is all about making money, when they stop making so much things are going to have to change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.

US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

Wow are you wrong. I'm not the biggest fan of CCL but they aren't going anywhere. DA is going to be the top league on both the boys and girls side, and now boys ECNL is getting into the mix and the players have to come from someplace. ECNL and the NPL leagues will be even more watered down and will be even weaker. Thats why NPL, to include VPL will be the ones to wane. US club soccer is all about making money, when they stop making so much things are going to have to change. [/quote


For anyone to compare CCL to NPL is plain ridiculous. Get a grip people and step outside the ulittle bubble. CCL is a local child's league. No different then WAGS was. NPL is a national league. It is no doubt 2nd tier...but it's still a national league. Anytime I hear the words CCL I think of parent of little kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.

US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

Wow are you wrong. I'm not the biggest fan of CCL but they aren't going anywhere. DA is going to be the top league on both the boys and girls side, and now boys ECNL is getting into the mix and the players have to come from someplace. ECNL and the NPL leagues will be even more watered down and will be even weaker. Thats why NPL, to include VPL will be the ones to wane. US club soccer is all about making money, when they stop making so much things are going to have to change. [/quote


For anyone to compare CCL to NPL is plain ridiculous. Get a grip people and step outside the ulittle bubble. CCL is a local child's league. No different then WAGS was. NPL is a national league. It is no doubt 2nd tier...but it's still a national league. Anytime I hear the words CCL I think of parent of little kid.

Would it make you feel better if people compared CCL with VPL? they're actually very similar with respect to club focus, local travel and neither one is a national league. It is funny how people are quick to expect the ccl to fold now that Braddock and Md united are leaving - you could argue that VPL has the same issue with VSA PWSI and Chantilly fielding water down teams since their best players will be vda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having a kid who does ODP and CCL , I never thought of there being any official connection between the two. Instead, I think it's more that CCL has many of the top USYS teams in the state as members and draws many of the top coaches, and those top coaches probably have more of an interest and importantly, the talent, to be selected as an ODP coach. But you won't see US Club (ECNL and NPL) coaches at ODP because they're in a different sanctioning organization.

CCL Is not an elite league. Please stop calling it that. It's the best local competition for u-9 to u-12. That's it and that's all. It's a little kid league. Thats why it's abandoned at the older levels

Not the CCL Guy again- you apologized to the while board and started a new thread for this -

(CCL is not a great league for U12 and below as shown by the many posts complaining about it's lack of enough games, organization, and unnecessary regional travel. Playing the same few clubs over and over is not great. CCL2 us even worse.)

Yeah, that wasn't me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.

US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

Wow are you wrong. I'm not the biggest fan of CCL but they aren't going anywhere. DA is going to be the top league on both the boys and girls side, and now boys ECNL is getting into the mix and the players have to come from someplace. ECNL and the NPL leagues will be even more watered down and will be even weaker. Thats why NPL, to include VPL will be the ones to wane. US club soccer is all about making money, when they stop making so much things are going to have to change. [/quote


For anyone to compare CCL to NPL is plain ridiculous. Get a grip people and step outside the ulittle bubble. CCL is a local child's league. No different then WAGS was. NPL is a national league. It is no doubt 2nd tier...but it's still a national league. Anytime I hear the words CCL I think of parent of little kid.

A couple of clarifications

NPL is not really a true National League in the same sense that ECNL and DA are. It is more of a loose confederation of sanctioned regional leagues.

VPL=NPL.

VPL/NPL/CCL=Regional Level League

NPL offers a National Championship that is more obvious. USYS has a national Championship but the structure is less clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.

US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

Wow are you wrong. I'm not the biggest fan of CCL but they aren't going anywhere. DA is going to be the top league on both the boys and girls side, and now boys ECNL is getting into the mix and the players have to come from someplace. ECNL and the NPL leagues will be even more watered down and will be even weaker. Thats why NPL, to include VPL will be the ones to wane. US club soccer is all about making money, when they stop making so much things are going to have to change. [/quote


For anyone to compare CCL to NPL is plain ridiculous. Get a grip people and step outside the ulittle bubble. CCL is a local child's league. No different then WAGS was. NPL is a national league. It is no doubt 2nd tier...but it's still a national league. Anytime I hear the words CCL I think of parent of little kid.

+1 especially on CCL and WAGS being similar.

[Anonymous]

Don't forget EDP! That's vitally important because it means a bunch of teams that qualify for NCSL Division 1 can all go play each other in EDP instead, because .... um ....

[Anonymous]

The descriptions of the leagues are helpful. Posters reference the new boys ECNL and the new ENPL...Are they two separate things?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having a kid who does ODP and CCL , I never thought of there being any official connection between the two. Instead, I think it's more that CCL has many of the top USYS teams in the state as members and draws many of the top coaches, and those top coaches probably have more of an interest and importantly, the talent, to be selected as an ODP coach. But you won't see US Club (ECNL and NPL) coaches at ODP because they're in a different sanctioning organization.

CCL Is not an elite league. Please stop calling it that. It's the best local competition for u-9 to u-12. That's it and that's all. It's a little kid league. Thats why it's abandoned at the older levels

Not the CCL Guy again- you apologized to the while board and started a new thread for this -

(CCL is not a great league for U12 and below as shown by the many posts complaining about it's lack of enough games, organization, and unnecessary regional travel. Playing the same few clubs over and over is not great. CCL2 us even worse.)

Yeah, that wasn't me.

Good deal.