Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:Ban men.

Can we stop with this? Do you have a father? Brother? Son? Grandfather? Uncle? Any male acquaintance?

I have all of those. Ban men.

I happen to love the men in my life and the women are the aholes.

They might be aholes but they're not shooting up elementary schools I can promise you that.

No they just kill everyone with their backstabbing, conniving bull$hit.

Aww did a woman hurt your feefees? And now you're complaining about it online? Should we check your browser history? Should we call the FBI?

Thanks for proving my point. Sad little boys are ruining this country. I don't know if you understand this so I'll spell it out. Words and hurt feelings don't actually kill people. Men with guns do.

You realize Tyler’s mom , a woman, was all for him having and using guns as a child. She was a proud gun mama.

What a surprise. The shooter had a proud gun Mama instead of a let's have some gun control Mama. Maybe things would have gone differently if he didn't have a proud gun Mama.

Ummm yes? Obviously

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is so sad. Regular people trying to blame the other party for everything. This is what the millionaires want. They want us to hate each other in order for them to control us. Don’t give them that pleasure.

Uh, it started when the President and the FBI director falsely claimed the shooter was a trans person and digressed from there as facts about the shooter came out.

When did either of them say the shooter was trans? Link to specific quotes.

Hmm why was trans ever brought up ya think?

Because the shooter has a trans lover.

Ok who cares and how is this relevant even if true? Tyler has been shooting guns since he could walk. How about looking into that?

Lots of kids - boys and girls - grow up hunting. They don’t go on to become assassins.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps we should shift our focus onto Tyler’s parents who thought is was perfectly acceptable to probide their young child with machine guns rather than blaming a possibly trans roomate?

It's safe to say that his militia upbringing had a role but so did the roommate/boy-girlfriend. It's all connected and they are all internet nut jobs.

But if you prioritize the issues here, the trans roommate is the least important unless he is an accomplice. It all began with Tyler’s parents giving him machine guns obviously.

They can't be separated like that. They fed into each other. The main common denominator is the radicalization and violent rhetoric that came at this guy from two different angles.

Nope the #1 common denominator is that a radicalized person was given guns.

It's not because if it wasn't a gun then it would have been a bomb.

Sure, let’s get rid of guns first.

Zero people killed by bombs in the US last year.

>40,000 killed by gun violence.

Seems reasonable to start with guns.

Radicalization finds a way. I'm primarily concerned about the way violent and dehumanizing rhetoric has steeped into our society at the same time as the social bonds between us have broken down.

Easy access to and fetishization of guns is part of the problem but the underlying issue is the backdrop of radicalization, isolation and extreme either/or thinking.

Ok but guns are directly killing people. Online radicalization is not .

Guns. Do. Not. Shoot. Themselves.

You have to add a mentally ill person to the mix.

Do you realize that mental illness can wax and wane, a person may not be psychotic 100% of the time? It fluctuates. How can we predict who will potentially snap?

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Anonymous wrote:The trans person did nothing wrong and is cooperating with the police. So why all the ugliness?

Ugliness? We are stating facts. And are wondering what exactly caused his radicalization.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps we should shift our focus onto Tyler’s parents who thought is was perfectly acceptable to probide their young child with machine guns rather than blaming a possibly trans roomate?

Machine guns?

There is a pic of him posing with what looks like a .50 machine gun at some military demonstration. Men younger than him regularly train on those in the military and do not misuse them. There is no evidence he ever had access to an operational machine gun.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps we should shift our focus onto Tyler’s parents who thought is was perfectly acceptable to probide their young child with machine guns rather than blaming a possibly trans roomate?

Machine guns?

There is a pic of him posing with what looks like a .50 machine gun at some military demonstration. Men younger than him regularly train on those in the military and do not misuse them. There is no evidence he ever had access to an operational machine gun.

Who is this person who can accurately determine which gun owners will potentially snap? Who is able to identify these people?

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Anonymous wrote:The trans person did nothing wrong and is cooperating with the police. So why all the ugliness?

Ugliness? We are stating facts. And are wondering what exactly caused his radicalization.

His upbringing for one.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of pages about just one of the 46,700 gun deaths in the US each year, all of them preventable.

No.

The issue is should an individual gun down a public figure he doesn’t like.

No but at least he didn’t fire rapidly and indiscriminately into the crowd. Could have been so much worse thanks to lax gun laws and gun culture.

Except the shooter used a hunting rifle, which liberals say is ok. They always say guns used for hunting are not going to be banned.

Please find me an example of a "liberal" saying shooting another person with a hunting rifle is okay. No luck with that?

Liberals know that at this point, getting rid of all guns will never happen. So you have to go for the ones that do the most damage/kill the greatest number in the shortest time. It's a band aid really, but better than nothing.

Oh, and by the way, you are a heartless, snarky jerk.

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We cannot always predict mental illness and/or impulsivity therefore guns should be banned as much as possible.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is so sad. Regular people trying to blame the other party for everything. This is what the millionaires want. They want us to hate each other in order for them to control us. Don’t give them that pleasure.

Uh, it started when the President and the FBI director falsely claimed the shooter was a trans person and digressed from there as facts about the shooter came out.

When did either of them say the shooter was trans? Link to specific quotes.

Hmm why was trans ever brought up ya think?

Because the shooter has a trans lover.

Ok who cares and how is this relevant even if true? Tyler has been shooting guns since he could walk. How about looking into that?

Lots of kids - boys and girls - grow up hunting. They don’t go on to become assassins.

No, of course not. But the states with the most gun crime per capita are all pro-gun red States. The states with the least gun crime per capita are all pro gun control blue States.

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The gun owners are fine, mentally stable individuals until they’re not.

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Anonymous wrote:The gun owners are fine, mentally stable individuals until they’re not.

That’s the tortured interpretation of 2A. Guns for everybody. Checking for mental health is infringement.

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Social media is going to be the end of us. Mixed in with AI it’s coming even faster. Yes you can keep your middle and high schooler off social media if you’re willing to be an engaged parent - most are too lazy.

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Anonymous wrote:The gun owners are fine, mentally stable individuals until they’re not.

That’s the tortured interpretation of 2A. Guns for everybody. Checking for mental health is infringement.

And like I said, mental illness can occur suddenly out of nowhere, wax and wane, fluctuate quickly. No one, not even an experienced psych, could possibly predict everyone who could potentially lose their marbles at some point.

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Anonymous wrote:Social media is going to be the end of us. Mixed in with AI it’s coming even faster. Yes you can keep your middle and high schooler off social media if you’re willing to be an engaged parent - most are too lazy.

You’re throwing out the baby with the bathwater right there. Plenty of good comes from the Internet and that includes social media. The complete lack of controls and complete lack of liability is the issue.