new Reade/Biden thread

[Anonymous]

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The truth is, we need a better Democratic Presidential nominee.

The man is old, has said inappropriate and impulsive things, been handsy with women, and now there’s this story. I believe Biden is not evil, and I believe Reade was harassed in some way: the two can coexist.

But I don’t want Biden as President. He’s not smart, he’s in decline, and he has a questionable history with women.

I want any one of the multiple younger and more competent Democratic candidates!!!!

You’re either a disgruntled Bernie Bro or a Con trying to divide the opposition. Either way, you need to go away.

No, I am a left-leaning person who preferred Warren, but who also thinks she's too old, particularly in coronavirus times. So I'm not supporting the person who I think is great for the job (Warren), I wish to support someone equally competent but perhaps less experienced, and definitely not Biden! I never liked Sanders, he's too inflexible, not likeable, is corona-aged and has already had a heart attack. But the younger candidates were pretty good! Why didn't they get traction? Why are we stuck with Biden????

Honestly, if I were a conservative person, I'd be delighted with Biden.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The truth is, we need a better Democratic Presidential nominee.

The man is old, has said inappropriate and impulsive things, been handsy with women, and now there’s this story. I believe Biden is not evil, and I believe Reade was harassed in some way: the two can coexist.

But I don’t want Biden as President. He’s not smart, he’s in decline, and he has a questionable history with women.

I want any one of the multiple younger and more competent Democratic candidates!!!!

You’re either a disgruntled Bernie Bro or a Con trying to divide the opposition. Either way, you need to go away.

No, I am a left-leaning person who preferred Warren, but who also thinks she's too old, particularly in coronavirus times. So I'm not supporting the person who I think is great for the job (Warren), I wish to support someone equally competent but perhaps less experienced, and definitely not Biden! I never liked Sanders, he's too inflexible, not likeable, is corona-aged and has already had a heart attack. But the younger candidates were pretty good! Why didn't they get traction? Why are we stuck with Biden????

Honestly, if I were a conservative person, I'd be delighted with Biden.

Because we need someone who can beat Trump. Polls show Biden beating Trump today. I liked Buttegieg too, but he can’t beat Trump. I learned a while back that charisma and/or great policies are meaningless if you can’t actually win an election. That’s your choice: sit this one out and risk getting four more years of vile Trump.

[Anonymous]

How much self-awareness? Zero self-awareness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are some of you dredging up a Miss Finland accusation from TWO years ago? Why now? Hmmm. So interesting.

To show you that nobody actually cares who a Presidential candidate touches or where he touches them. I know it used to matter. I think it should matter. But that was before Trump. If you would like it to matter again, start with your candidate, because I am not starting with mine.

Beautifully said!

+2!!!!!

+1 million.

I cared 4 years ago and it didn't make any difference. So I am not worried about it now.

If they cared about who raped who, they wouldn't have nominated or elected current president dumbass. It's laughable the conservatives are trying to make this a thing. It's a ploy to distract everyone from how many people are dying.

Once again, this isn't an issue of morality, the way some of you are trying to paint it. It's an issue of hypocrisy in the way accusations are received by the media and by Democrats, depending of the politics of the accuser and accused. HYPOCRISY.

Yes, much like the Republicans and the "liberal" media overlooked so many of Trump's immoral, illegal actions. Even when they did report it. they were always ready to chase some shiny new toy, some EMAILS even, so that Trump, the ultimate hypocrite, could just go on as if nothing happened. All to your thunderous applause.

You voted for a man who admitted to rape. You voted for a man who admitted to bribery. You voted for a man who said you would support him even if he committed murder. He announced proudly that he had done these things and you liked it because he was "honest."

He was right. You WILL support him no matter what he does. He has you wrapped around his finger, chasing whatever BS he tells you to. If you really think hypocrisy in politics is such a problem, then stop supporting the biggest hypocrite in the world.

I'm sorry - what? When did Trump ever admit to rape or bribery? As for the "committing murder," no one in their right minds took him seriously. It was a figure of speech, perhaps poorly chosen, but certainly not meant to be taken seriously. You really need to learn the difference.

Of course it was a figure of speech. But it was not "poorly chosen." None of his words are poorly chosen. I knew what he meant. So did you. I just didn't realize he was right. But such is the nature of accomplished con artists. Their marks don't realize they've been taken until long after the fact.

I'm speaking figuratively, of course.

How confusing. First you guys insist there is no one more stupid than Trump, and you mock every word out of his mouth and in his tweets. Now you’re saying his words are not “poorly chosen,” that apparently he chooses them with great care to send specific messages. So interesting. You can’t make up your mind about whether he’s a clueless clown or a highly precise, accomplished “con artist.” The amount of time and energy you spend, agonizing over this dichotomy must be truly exhausting.

Well, just to be clear, I differ greatly from most liberals in that I don't believe Trump is stupid at all. He is very smart, but ignorant. He is ignorant because he didn't apply his brain to any normal field of knowledge. Instead, he put his smarts into one single thing - how to BS people. He is the world's leading BS artist and he has the Presidency to prove it.

If he loses in November, it will not be because of anything Biden did. It will be because a few more people either figured out his BS or got tired of it.

This

He is a con artist, a very good one, perfect skill for politics. He has not lost his core supporters even with his obvious failures. He cleverly points his supporters to China. But I think he will lose this time. All it takes is 100k people in the swing states figured out his BS or got tired of him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Welp

LOL.

Timing is everything.
I'm sure she has witnesses.

Hmmmm...and she didn't haul off and slap him like she would have done to a regular non-famous, no rich, non-TV star schmo?
So I guess he was right when he made that claim "and when you're a star, they let you do anything! You can do anything!"

He was telling the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The truth is, we need a better Democratic Presidential nominee.

The man is old, has said inappropriate and impulsive things, been handsy with women, and now there’s this story. I believe Biden is not evil, and I believe Reade was harassed in some way: the two can coexist.

But I don’t want Biden as President. He’s not smart, he’s in decline, and he has a questionable history with women.

I want any one of the multiple younger and more competent Democratic candidates!!!!

You’re either a disgruntled Bernie Bro or a Con trying to divide the opposition. Either way, you need to go away.

No, I am a left-leaning person who preferred Warren, but who also thinks she's too old, particularly in coronavirus times. So I'm not supporting the person who I think is great for the job (Warren), I wish to support someone equally competent but perhaps less experienced, and definitely not Biden! I never liked Sanders, he's too inflexible, not likeable, is corona-aged and has already had a heart attack. But the younger candidates were pretty good! Why didn't they get traction? Why are we stuck with Biden????

Honestly, if I were a conservative person, I'd be delighted with Biden.

Because we need someone who can beat Trump. Polls show Biden beating Trump today. I liked Buttegieg too, but he can’t beat Trump. I learned a while back that charisma and/or great policies are meaningless if you can’t actually win an election. That’s your choice: sit this one out and risk getting four more years of vile Trump.

PP you replied to. If Democrats weren't so craven, we'd have an Obama moment with a new candidate, not a worn-out oldie. I do believe people can turn out for someone who is not Biden, and kick out Trump.
Of course, it looks like it's too late now, and the DNC is going to close ranks. I think it's a shame.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
The truth is, we need a better Democratic Presidential nominee.

The man is old, has said inappropriate and impulsive things, been handsy with women, and now there’s this story. I believe Biden is not evil, and I believe Reade was harassed in some way: the two can coexist.

But I don’t want Biden as President. He’s not smart, he’s in decline, and he has a questionable history with women.

I want any one of the multiple younger and more competent Democratic candidates!!!!

You’re either a disgruntled Bernie Bro or a Con trying to divide the opposition. Either way, you need to go away.

DP. Sorry, those aren’t the only choices. Many Democrats want a different candidate. If you were living in reality, you’d realize Biden’s time is long past. LONG past.

[Anonymous]

I’m okay with Biden.

Here’s the deal: Biden can get people to get things done. He already has the connections. He will not only have the support of Obama, he will probably have Obama as a consultant in some manner and he will have Obama’s former employees running to him to fix the White House.

Really, what a lot of democrats want is to reverse everything Trump did so quickly it’s like he was never there.

So yes, I get that he’s old. But in terms of real experience, he’s got it.

Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The truth is, we need a better Democratic Presidential nominee.

The man is old, has said inappropriate and impulsive things, been handsy with women, and now there’s this story. I believe Biden is not evil, and I believe Reade was harassed in some way: the two can coexist.

But I don’t want Biden as President. He’s not smart, he’s in decline, and he has a questionable history with women.

I want any one of the multiple younger and more competent Democratic candidates!!!!

Too late. That is no longer an option. It's been a year long process to get us here. Whether you like it or not, Biden is the Democratic nominee.. Those who think that Ms. Reade's story will change that are mistaken. She will have no more impact on Biden's nomination than a certain Stanford professor's story had on a nomination to the Supreme Court. Both of the alleged victims needed to have much stronger cases to stop either ascension from happening.

You may have wanted "any one of the multiple younger and more competent Democratic candidates" but you were in the minority. The primary voters who have different priorities from you have voted him in and he will become the Democratic party candidate for POTUS.

Now, you have a choice. You can choose to vote for Biden as the lesser of two evils. If you don't, you are voting to have another 4 years of Trump. If you value any Democratic values, you can't possibly allow Trump to be reelected. The one thing you can do at this point is to support Biden in ensuring that Trump is a one term president. Biden is going to be a one-term president. His entire goal throughout this was to ensure that Trump was a one term president. While many of you did not think he was the best option, more people disagreed with you and thought he was the best vehicle to do that. So, stop the in-fighting. All it does is weaken the Democratic party and candidate for the November election. The objections and arguments that are made against him are only helping the Republican cause to reelect Trump to a second term. Is that really your goal? Because that's what you are doing, bolstering the argument for Trump to be reelected. After Biden is elected to his one term, then you can start lobbying for the best Democrat to succeed him in office and help that candidate to get there. But stop fighting the next battle before this one is even won. Doing that is a good way to ensure that you lose this one.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think there is a whiff of hypocrisy at play here.

It doesn't matter anymore.
One rapey old guy running against another.
They have to find something else to attack on either side, the rapes and attacks don't seem to phase republicans, so game over. We are not falling for it again. Especially when Trump voters all now have blood on their hands.

Except it is one rapey old guy against just an old guy. Even Ms. Reade doesn't allege rape.

Of course she does. Nice try.

She does? Please provide a link.

Stop playing dumb and wasting space.

"The former aide, Tara Reade, who briefly worked as a staff assistant in Mr. Biden’s Senate office, told The New York Times that in 1993, Mr. Biden pinned her to a wall in a Senate building, reached under her clothing and penetrated her with his fingers. A friend said that Ms. Reade told her the details of the allegation at the time. Another friend and a brother of Ms. Reade’s said she told them over the years about a traumatic sexual incident involving Mr. Biden."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html/

Technically, that does not meet the definition of sex; ergo, he did not commit rape.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The truth is, we need a better Democratic Presidential nominee.

The man is old, has said inappropriate and impulsive things, been handsy with women, and now there’s this story. I believe Biden is not evil, and I believe Reade was harassed in some way: the two can coexist.

But I don’t want Biden as President. He’s not smart, he’s in decline, and he has a questionable history with women.

I want any one of the multiple younger and more competent Democratic candidates!!!!

You’re either a disgruntled Bernie Bro or a Con trying to divide the opposition. Either way, you need to go away.

DP. Sorry, those aren’t the only choices. Many Democrats want a different candidate. If you were living in reality, you’d realize Biden’s time is long past. LONG past.

It’s LONG last the time to be whinging about this. Your candidate lost. So did mine (Warren). Our candidates simply didn’t get the votes. It’s over, and you need to understand that and move on. Don’t get the cons manipulate you into dividing the party so Trump can win in November.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The truth is, we need a better Democratic Presidential nominee.

The man is old, has said inappropriate and impulsive things, been handsy with women, and now there’s this story. I believe Biden is not evil, and I believe Reade was harassed in some way: the two can coexist.

But I don’t want Biden as President. He’s not smart, he’s in decline, and he has a questionable history with women.

I want any one of the multiple younger and more competent Democratic candidates!!!!

You’re either a disgruntled Bernie Bro or a Con trying to divide the opposition. Either way, you need to go away.

No, I am a left-leaning person who preferred Warren, but who also thinks she's too old, particularly in coronavirus times. So I'm not supporting the person who I think is great for the job (Warren), I wish to support someone equally competent but perhaps less experienced, and definitely not Biden! I never liked Sanders, he's too inflexible, not likeable, is corona-aged and has already had a heart attack. But the younger candidates were pretty good! Why didn't they get traction? Why are we stuck with Biden????

Honestly, if I were a conservative person, I'd be delighted with Biden.

Because we need someone who can beat Trump. Polls show Biden beating Trump today. I liked Buttegieg too, but he can’t beat Trump. I learned a while back that charisma and/or great policies are meaningless if you can’t actually win an election. That’s your choice: sit this one out and risk getting four more years of vile Trump.

PP you replied to. If Democrats weren't so craven, we'd have an Obama moment with a new candidate, not a worn-out oldie. I do believe people can turn out for someone who is not Biden, and kick out Trump.
Of course, it looks like it's too late now, and the DNC is going to close ranks. I think it's a shame.

Biden wasn’t my first choice, but he was the one who got people to turn out in the primaries and vote. That’s why he’s the nominee. The end.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Welp

LOL.

Timing is everything.
I'm sure she has witnesses.

Hmmmm...and she didn't haul off and slap him like she would have done to a regular non-famous, no rich, non-TV star schmo?
So I guess he was right when he made that claim "and when you're a star, they let you do anything! You can do anything!"

He was telling the truth.

You’re a really disgusting person.

Having been grabbed like this a few times myself, sometimes a person is too shocked to say or do anything. Disgusting predators count on the shock. And they count on people like you, PP, to support their misogyny and bullsht.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The truth is, we need a better Democratic Presidential nominee.

The man is old, has said inappropriate and impulsive things, been handsy with women, and now there’s this story. I believe Biden is not evil, and I believe Reade was harassed in some way: the two can coexist.

But I don’t want Biden as President. He’s not smart, he’s in decline, and he has a questionable history with women.

I want any one of the multiple younger and more competent Democratic candidates!!!!

You’re either a disgruntled Bernie Bro or a Con trying to divide the opposition. Either way, you need to go away.

No, I am a left-leaning person who preferred Warren, but who also thinks she's too old, particularly in coronavirus times. So I'm not supporting the person who I think is great for the job (Warren), I wish to support someone equally competent but perhaps less experienced, and definitely not Biden! I never liked Sanders, he's too inflexible, not likeable, is corona-aged and has already had a heart attack. But the younger candidates were pretty good! Why didn't they get traction? Why are we stuck with Biden????

Honestly, if I were a conservative person, I'd be delighted with Biden.

Because we need someone who can beat Trump. Polls show Biden beating Trump today. I liked Buttegieg too, but he can’t beat Trump. I learned a while back that charisma and/or great policies are meaningless if you can’t actually win an election. That’s your choice: sit this one out and risk getting four more years of vile Trump.

PP you replied to. If Democrats weren't so craven, we'd have an Obama moment with a new candidate, not a worn-out oldie. I do believe people can turn out for someone who is not Biden, and kick out Trump.
Of course, it looks like it's too late now, and the DNC is going to close ranks. I think it's a shame.

Biden wasn’t my first choice, but he was the one who got people to turn out in the primaries and vote. That’s why he’s the nominee. The end.

+100. I wanted Warren. But this is a democracy and our candidates lost in the primaries by a fair vote. You might be disappointed. But you don’t get to stage a coup based on a conflict-ridden account. Just like in the 2016 general elections, we all need to live with what the majority decides.

Unless we get new info on the rape accusation that shows it to be unambiguously true. Nobody thinks that will happen. Not even The NY Times with its call to investigate the Delaware files. The Times just wants to put this matter to rest this summer so we aren’t still talking about it in October and we can (fair’s fair) open up all the allegations against Trump.

Again, this is a democracy and your man or woman lost the primaries. Why would you undermine democracy in your own party’s primary? Don’t let the cons manipulate you into thinking this is in any way OK. Move on: the choice is now Biden vs. Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Welp

LOL.

Timing is everything.
I'm sure she has witnesses.

Hmmmm...and she didn't haul off and slap him like she would have done to a regular non-famous, no rich, non-TV star schmo?
So I guess he was right when he made that claim "and when you're a star, they let you do anything! You can do anything!"

He was telling the truth.

You’re a really disgusting person.

Having been grabbed like this a few times myself, sometimes a person is too shocked to say or do anything. Disgusting predators count on the shock. And they count on people like you, PP, to support their misogyny and bullsht.

+1,000,000. First, this photo could easily have been taken before the groping.

Second, your insinuation that stunned paralysis means “consent” is beyond disgusting. Do you really think a beauty contestant about to be judged by this guy will always decide in a split second how to respond? Or an aspiring actress meeting a reality show star?

Horrifyingly, you’re not the first I’ve seen to equate consent to Donnie’s “when you’re famous they let you do anything.” I go on Fox once in a while and saw this in the comments section just yesterday

This line of thinking is vile and disgusting.