I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

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Anonymous wrote:Following. For example, democrats are stating that Texas is trying to suppress voting because they are restricting drive through 24/7 voting. Um, what? I live in deep blue Maryland and we don’t have 24/7 drive through voting, but democrats are demanding that Texas do it?
And the whole ID thing. You need ID everywhere. FFS you need ID and Vax card to enter a restaurant in DC now!

Texas is a huuuuuuuuuuuuge state. And it's hot. Have you ever been there? It is massive. People have to drive long distances to vote. Drive-through voting would make their lives easier. In Maryland, a teensy, tiny state, drive-through voting is not needed. In Texas, it is.

The ID thing is directed at low income (and let's face it mostly non-white) voters who may have registered to vote years ago and for whom obtaining a photo ID in order to vote would be very difficult. These people have been voting for years using their signature and address. That's been good enough until now. But the Republicans suddenly want these very low income people to spend money they do not have to get a photo ID, which involves many steps and costs $ for transportation as well as for the price of the ID. (How much do you pay for a driver's license in your state?).
I'm in favor of grandfathering people who don't have an ID and requiring it of new voters unless their income falls below the poverty line, making it too cost-prohibitive for them to obtain one.

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One thing the GOP didn't plan on: a significant number of their voters are older poor white people now, who don't always have a valid id. Whoops.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing the GOP didn't plan on: a significant number of their voters are older poor white people now, who don't always have a valid id. Whoops.

Source for that? Very, very few people do not have valid ID's. The states that require them make them relatively easy to get.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing the GOP didn't plan on: a significant number of their voters are older poor white people now, who don't always have a valid id. Whoops.

Source for that? Very, very few people do not have valid ID's. The states that require them make them relatively easy to get.

The bolded is the rub. Many states make it VERY difficult. For example, the DMV for a county may not be in a population center and not be transit accessible. So if you live in a city, you need to get a ride from someone to the DMV to get the ID. What if you don't know anyone who has a car or can give you a ride? Should your ability to be able to vote depend on that?

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Anonymous wrote:One thing the GOP didn't plan on: a significant number of their voters are older poor white people now, who don't always have a valid id. Whoops.

Source for that? Very, very few people do not have valid ID's. The states that require them make them relatively easy to get.

The bolded is the rub. Many states make it VERY difficult. For example, the DMV for a county may not be in a population center and not be transit accessible. So if you live in a city, you need to get a ride from someone to the DMV to get the ID. What if you don't know anyone who has a car or can give you a ride? Should your ability to be able to vote depend on that?

If you are able to get to the polls or register to vote, you are able to get an ID.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing the GOP didn't plan on: a significant number of their voters are older poor white people now, who don't always have a valid id. Whoops.

Source for that? Very, very few people do not have valid ID's. The states that require them make them relatively easy to get.

The bolded is the rub. Many states make it VERY difficult. For example, the DMV for a county may not be in a population center and not be transit accessible. So if you live in a city, you need to get a ride from someone to the DMV to get the ID. What if you don't know anyone who has a car or can give you a ride? Should your ability to be able to vote depend on that?

If you are able to get to the polls or register to vote, you are able to get an ID.

Wrong. So incredibly, unbelievably, stupidly wrong.

The states that require ID to vote specifically make it harder to get an ID.

They shutter DMV offices in minority (Democratic) neighborhoods, they reduce hours in the remaining offices to make it harder for workers who don't have office jobs with PTO (again, disproportionately affecting minorities) to be able to get an ID. They cut funding for public transit so people without cars (the exact people who don't already have ID to vote) have an even harder time making it to the DMV in time.

And the whole time they push the narrative that "it's so easy to get an ID!" because they know useful idiots like yourself with your car and your cushy office job with flexible hours and PTO will amplify their message because in your privileged world it IS easy.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing the GOP didn't plan on: a significant number of their voters are older poor white people now, who don't always have a valid id. Whoops.

Source for that? Very, very few people do not have valid ID's. The states that require them make them relatively easy to get.

The bolded is the rub. Many states make it VERY difficult. For example, the DMV for a county may not be in a population center and not be transit accessible. So if you live in a city, you need to get a ride from someone to the DMV to get the ID. What if you don't know anyone who has a car or can give you a ride? Should your ability to be able to vote depend on that?

If you are able to get to the polls or register to vote, you are able to get an ID.

This is laughably false. My polling station is literally around the corner. The closest DMV to me is 15 miles away and not transit accessible.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing the GOP didn't plan on: a significant number of their voters are older poor white people now, who don't always have a valid id. Whoops.

Source for that? Very, very few people do not have valid ID's. The states that require them make them relatively easy to get.

My poor white Republican voting relatives. Two are currently driving on expired licenses in their small town, where no one ever asks for ID or and the police don't tend to stop local white residents. Plus one friend in her 50s who knows she can't pass the eye test until she can afford to get cataract surgery. Good times.

I'm trying to help them get their paperwork together to get new drivers licenses because I'm the only one in the family with two brain cells to rub together. I am not a Republican.

[Anonymous]

I think everyone misread the intent of this thread. OP is not a rational conservative, governed by reason, but instead is a rationale conservative, meaning that no matter what evidence or argument or proof anyone presents, OP will always find some rationale to believe that it is perfectly fine for Republicans to do anything they can to depress Black voter eligibility and participation.

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The plan is for the GOP to break election systems and create an "emergency" such that their judges and gerrymandered legislatures will get to step in and hand-pick the winners without having to count ballots.

The statutes already exist at both the state and federal levels for legislatures to pick new winners in an "emergency."

It's happening folks and it's pretty much all over.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing the GOP didn't plan on: a significant number of their voters are older poor white people now, who don't always have a valid id. Whoops.

Source for that? Very, very few people do not have valid ID's. The states that require them make them relatively easy to get.

The bolded is the rub. Many states make it VERY difficult. For example, the DMV for a county may not be in a population center and not be transit accessible. So if you live in a city, you need to get a ride from someone to the DMV to get the ID. What if you don't know anyone who has a car or can give you a ride? Should your ability to be able to vote depend on that?

If you are able to get to the polls or register to vote, you are able to get an ID.

This is laughably false. My polling station is literally around the corner. The closest DMV to me is 15 miles away and not transit accessible.

And, I am willing to bet that you have an ID

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Anonymous wrote:One thing the GOP didn't plan on: a significant number of their voters are older poor white people now, who don't always have a valid id. Whoops.

Source for that? Very, very few people do not have valid ID's. The states that require them make them relatively easy to get.

The bolded is the rub. Many states make it VERY difficult. For example, the DMV for a county may not be in a population center and not be transit accessible. So if you live in a city, you need to get a ride from someone to the DMV to get the ID. What if you don't know anyone who has a car or can give you a ride? Should your ability to be able to vote depend on that?

If you are able to get to the polls or register to vote, you are able to get an ID.

This is laughably false. My polling station is literally around the corner. The closest DMV to me is 15 miles away and not transit accessible.

And, I am willing to bet that you have an ID

No sh#t sherlock - this board is populated by white collar professionals and SAHPs with cars, home(s), and PTO.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing the GOP didn't plan on: a significant number of their voters are older poor white people now, who don't always have a valid id. Whoops.

Source for that? Very, very few people do not have valid ID's. The states that require them make them relatively easy to get.

The bolded is the rub. Many states make it VERY difficult. For example, the DMV for a county may not be in a population center and not be transit accessible. So if you live in a city, you need to get a ride from someone to the DMV to get the ID. What if you don't know anyone who has a car or can give you a ride? Should your ability to be able to vote depend on that?

If you are able to get to the polls or register to vote, you are able to get an ID.

Polling is usually done at a local precinct, which is usually a local church, school or community center. Getting an ID is usually at a DMV or municipal building. As was mentioned in the previous post, many jurisdictions, particularly in areas where voter suppression is rampant, that location can be remove and not transit accessible. If you understand the changes the GOP has imposed in many parts of the country, you would know this. Be happy that you live in a place where getting an ID is as easy as voting. Many places are not that way.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing the GOP didn't plan on: a significant number of their voters are older poor white people now, who don't always have a valid id. Whoops.

Source for that? Very, very few people do not have valid ID's. The states that require them make them relatively easy to get.

The bolded is the rub. Many states make it VERY difficult. For example, the DMV for a county may not be in a population center and not be transit accessible. So if you live in a city, you need to get a ride from someone to the DMV to get the ID. What if you don't know anyone who has a car or can give you a ride? Should your ability to be able to vote depend on that?

If you are able to get to the polls or register to vote, you are able to get an ID.

This is laughably false. My polling station is literally around the corner. The closest DMV to me is 15 miles away and not transit accessible.

And, I am willing to bet that you have an ID

I do, but there have been many times when I didn’t, because I lost it or had my purse stolen. I have spent an inordinate amount of time in both the DC and MD DMVs in the past year, having bought a car in a private sale and needing to retitle and tag it, plus my daughter got a non-driver ID and then her first driver’s license. It is an all-day and often multi-day project, not easily accessible by transit, so difficult for anyone who doesn’t have their own transportation and a flexible job. And god forbid if you’re missing one of the required documents you need to get the ID in the first place, that can take weeks, a ton of time on the phone, and many many dollars. And these are both jurisdictions that are trying to make it easy for people to do this, unlike many other states.

But since this thread isn't about me, in 2020 nearly 29 million voting-age U.S. citizens lacked a valid driver’s license and over 7 million had no other form of non-expired government-issued photo identification, according to a University of Maryland study.
https://today.umd.edu/umd-analysis-millions-of-americans-dont-have-id-required-to-vote