I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

[Anonymous]

OP, icases like this is why voting rights legislation is needed:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/02/politics/georgia-coffee-county-breach-voters/index.html

[Anonymous]

I probably can’t convince you. Everyone eligible to vote should have easy, safe, and free access to voting. No one, and especially no group of people should have more difficulty voting for any reason than any other group. If you haven’t noticed that this is not our situation now, then there’s probably nothing I can say that will sway you, OP.

Someone in a rural community, who lacks transportation, should still get to vote. Someone elderly, should still get to vote. Black Americans and Native Americans who, historically, have had their voting rights actively and even violently interfered with, should still get to vote. If you haven’t notice that deliberate efforts have been implemented to make it particularly difficult for some of us to vote, than that, imo, is willful ignorance.

So: if you believe that everyone should have access to voting, and that this access should be largely equal, then you’ll see that legislation and enforcement of legislation is necessary to support these basic rights. If you don’t believe those two premises, then there’s probably little that I can say that will convince you.

[Anonymous]

I don’t think we’ve heard from OP for many pages.

[Anonymous]

I was just coming back to the thread to ask if OP has been convinced?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was just coming back to the thread to ask if OP has been convinced?

I wish s/he would come back. Over 40 pages of links and proof that voting rights legislation is needed.

[Anonymous]

Hi there - OP here. Wow, can't believe this thread is still going.

First off, sorry for misspelling "rational." I think about 50 people got me on that one. My bad!

To the posters asking if I've been convinced - sorry, tbh, I just can't make it through 40 pages of comments. Back in the day when I originally posted, I did pay attention to the first few pages, but didn't see anything compelling. Maybe there's some gold in pages 19-37, but sadly never got there.

Hope some got some productive ideas out of this.

[Anonymous]

There are 35 pages of productive ideas. Since you started the thread and hundreds of people have posted articles, studies and anecdotes, maybe you can take a few minutes to educate yourself.

Or, you can just keep bleating on about how smooth and easy our election process is, particularly for people of color.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need to ban ballot harvesting. Other countries don’t allow it and we shouldn’t either.

Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Following. For example, democrats are stating that Texas is trying to suppress voting because they are restricting drive through 24/7 voting. Um, what? I live in deep blue Maryland and we don’t have 24/7 drive through voting, but democrats are demanding that Texas do it?
And the whole ID thing. You need ID everywhere. FFS you need ID and Vax card to enter a restaurant in DC now!

Texas is a huuuuuuuuuuuuge state. And it's hot. Have you ever been there? It is massive. People have to drive long distances to vote. Drive-through voting would make their lives easier. In Maryland, a teensy, tiny state, drive-through voting is not needed. In Texas, it is.

The ID thing is directed at low income (and let's face it mostly non-white) voters who may have registered to vote years ago and for whom obtaining a photo ID in order to vote would be very difficult. These people have been voting for years using their signature and address. That's been good enough until now. But the Republicans suddenly want these very low income people to spend money they do not have to get a photo ID, which involves many steps and costs $ for transportation as well as for the price of the ID. (How much do you pay for a driver's license in your state?).
I'm in favor of grandfathering people who don't have an ID and requiring it of new voters unless their income falls below the poverty line, making it too cost-prohibitive for them to obtain one.

It was also a huge problem for my disabled father whose license expired t years after an accident, and obviously never needed to renew it. People don’t fully appreciate the difficulties of individuals of sound mind whose bodies make it expensive and risky to leave the house, and who can’t physically fill out their own paperwork. They too have a right to vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi there - OP here. Wow, can't believe this thread is still going.

First off, sorry for misspelling "rational." I think about 50 people got me on that one. My bad!

To the posters asking if I've been convinced - sorry, tbh, I just can't make it through 40 pages of comments. Back in the day when I originally posted, I did pay attention to the first few pages, but didn't see anything compelling. Maybe there's some gold in pages 19-37, but sadly never got there.

Hope some got some productive ideas out of this.

Wow. That is some real commitment to not learning anything on a thread you started. High five on being unwilling to think.

[Anonymous]

Not just Alabama and Louisiana

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi there - OP here. Wow, can't believe this thread is still going.

First off, sorry for misspelling "rational." I think about 50 people got me on that one. My bad!

To the posters asking if I've been convinced - sorry, tbh, I just can't make it through 40 pages of comments. Back in the day when I originally posted, I did pay attention to the first few pages, but didn't see anything compelling. Maybe there's some gold in pages 19-37, but sadly never got there.

Hope some got some productive ideas out of this.

So…you’re not actually interested in learning anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not just Alabama and Louisiana

So we have three contemporary examples of Black people’s right to vote being compromised and the strength of their vote being watered down but Mr. “Rationale Conservative” can’t be bothered to think for even a moment on this? White supremacist. A polite one and not an in-your-face one like the masked Nazi cowards in Orlando, but a white supremacist all the same.

OP can get bucked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi there - OP here. Wow, can't believe this thread is still going.

First off, sorry for misspelling "rational." I think about 50 people got me on that one. My bad!

To the posters asking if I've been convinced - sorry, tbh, I just can't make it through 40 pages of comments. Back in the day when I originally posted, I did pay attention to the first few pages, but didn't see anything compelling. Maybe there's some gold in pages 19-37, but sadly never got there.

Hope some got some productive ideas out of this.

So you choose to be willfully ignorant. Congrats?

[Anonymous]

Give it up. You’ll never convince OP that it should be easy for Black people to vote. Rational conservatives rationalize discrimination. It’s what defines them.