I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

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Anonymous wrote:

Shades of every southern movie in which some hick says “we have happy ____ here, you don’t get to mess with us and the way we do things here” as the lynching is occurring.

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I worked the polls in the south. We had no lines.
There was plenty of parking available. We also have early voting so you have about 6 days to vote. (Five early voting days and the one major voting day.) Our polls are open from 7:00 am - 8:00 pm (extended hours.) Everyone who had ID that showed they lived in our voting district was allowed to vote. If the person was not listed on our rolls they were allowed to vote on a provisional ballot.

Our Supervisor of Elections in my county is African American. Our trainers (to work the polls) were all African American trainers.

My southern county also allows mail in voting.

No country in the world allows people to vote without ID.

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There are many states including DC and Wisconsin, that do not require ID to vote. Simply tell them your name, they give you a ballot and you sign a form certifying that you are you. They check you off in the system so no one else can use your name, and move on.

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OP, the fact that Alabama is now defying the Supreme Court in drawing its lines should tell you why voting rights legislation is needed.

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Anonymous wrote:I worked the polls in the south. We had no lines.
There was plenty of parking available. We also have early voting so you have about 6 days to vote. (Five early voting days and the one major voting day.) Our polls are open from 7:00 am - 8:00 pm (extended hours.) Everyone who had ID that showed they lived in our voting district was allowed to vote. If the person was not listed on our rolls they were allowed to vote on a provisional ballot.

Our Supervisor of Elections in my county is African American. Our trainers (to work the polls) were all African American trainers.

My southern county also allows mail in voting.

No country in the world allows people to vote without ID.

The “south” is a big place. How nice that you, personally, “had no lines”. That really has little relevance to the many many people who had difficulties — that were both predictable and deliberately created to hamper voting.
You’re leaping from your own, limited, personal experience to an unsupported comment about “no country in the world”— as though either of these things is directly relevant to the concerns that many people have raised.

Let’s start here: The types of ID that some places require have been deliberately chosen to make it difficult for some people to vote compared to others. If ID is the priority, perhaps you have some suggestions re: making it easy and free for everyone to obtain adequate ID. Everyone means everyone — not just your personal experiences in your personal county in your unspecified state in “the south”. (Sic)

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Anonymous wrote:Not a Trumper here. I agree that Gerrymandering is bad and ideally would not happen. Clearly it's a problem with both parties.

Honestly, I don't buy the voter suppression and "democracy at stake" hyperbole. Anyone that wants to vote can vote, right? Yes, it might be inconvenient for some based on their work schedule, but that's always been the case. And In most places you can already vote by mail.

When I hear that democracy is at stake, I tune out because it's a huge exaggeration in my mind.

I'm open to argument, though. Can you change my mind?

Trying to educate the brain dead is an effort in futility.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many states including DC and Wisconsin, that do not require ID to vote. Simply tell them your name, they give you a ballot and you sign a form certifying that you are you. They check you off in the system so no one else can use your name, and move on.

They verify the signature match.

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OP, are you around anymore? Do you, after 41 pages of being shown your party is hostile to democracy, have anything to say? Have you learned anything?

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Anonymous wrote:I worked the polls in the south. We had no lines.
There was plenty of parking available. We also have early voting so you have about 6 days to vote. (Five early voting days and the one major voting day.) Our polls are open from 7:00 am - 8:00 pm (extended hours.) Everyone who had ID that showed they lived in our voting district was allowed to vote. If the person was not listed on our rolls they were allowed to vote on a provisional ballot.

Our Supervisor of Elections in my county is African American. Our trainers (to work the polls) were all African American trainers.

My southern county also allows mail in voting.

No country in the world allows people to vote without ID.

Do you seriously not understand that the whole point of requiring voter ID is so the GOP can make it harder to get ID and therefore harder to vote? The fact that everyone who had ID was allowed to vote is completely meaningless when the main vehicle of suppression is preventing people from getting that ID in the first place.

Now Alabama closes 31 0f 67 Department of Motor Vehicle locations where most people get the most commonly used voter ID, the driver’s license. The majority of these counties in the state that are home to poor and Black people are on that list.

https://www.aclu.org/news/voting-rights/alabamas-dmv-shutdown-has-everything-do-race

Texas officials are pushing to close dozens of driver’s license offices in counties with large populations of Hispanic and Black voters—a move that could have an outsize impact in a state that makes it difficult to vote without a photo ID.

The Texas counties of Zapata, Jim Hogg, Brooks, and Kenedy stretch from the U.S.-Mexico border to the Gulf of Mexico and are the gateway to the Rio Grande Valley. Residents of these mostly rural and overwhelmingly Hispanic counties either have to or may soon have to travel to another county to obtain a driver’s license.

https://rewirenewsgroup.com/2018/08/28/texas-officials-aim-to-shutter-drivers-license-offices-in-black-hispanic-communities/

And saying that allowing people to cast provisional ballots makes it OK is once again entirely missing the point that adding the extra step of provisional ballots is an intentional move to allow another avenue for voter suppression:

Republican candidates in Pennsylvania sued Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar in the state’s appellate court Tuesday night, arguing that voters whose mail-in ballots were rejected should not be permitted to cast provisional ballots instead, and Pennsylvania should throw out any votes in the battleground state that were cast that way.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/11/03/republicans-sue-pennsylvania-to-throw-out-provisional-ballots/?sh=6eb8a1051873

Husted illegally tossing provisional ballots, Dems say

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/2012/11/28/husted-illegally-tossing-provisional-ballots/23955888007/

The Texas Supreme Court issued a ruling Tuesday morning asking Harris County to ID provisional ballots cast after 7 p.m. on Election Day. Elections Administrator Clifford Tatum presented commissioners with two packets Tuesday afternoon. The first included the full results, including the segregated provisional ballots.

"The second packet is dated today's date, 11/22/22, with a runtime of 2:46 p.m. This document reflects only the provisional ballots that were cast after 7 p.m. for each of the candidates and each of the propositions that were on the ballot."

Attorney General Ken Paxton had asked the state Supreme Court to disqualify those provisional ballots.

https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/elections/2022/11/22/437948/texas-ag-ken-paxton-asks-texas-supreme-court-to-throw-out-some-harris-county-provisional-ballots/

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Why is there only one scanner in one of the larger blue districts in the state?

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Anonymous wrote:Why is there only one scanner in one of the larger blue districts in the state?

The GOP can’t win without cheating.