Youngkin and TJ

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Anonymous wrote:“ I read that 30% of the class came from one prep center last year and they posted their names online. Guessing the other 60% came from different prep centers?”

The crazy use of test prep centers is what drove reform. People were sick of it.

What prep center?

There are several popular ones but there was the one that posted the names of 30%+ of the incoming TJ class that had taken their $10k prep classes a few years ago. I think some people felt bad when they realized people were simply buying admissions.

Yeah. Some idiot poster whose kid couldn't cut it started that rumor.

They.... posted the list on Facebook.... quite publicly... But in fairness, it was only 28% of the incoming class, not 30+%. And the flagship TJ prep course only cost $5K.

If you want to know who started the rumor, it was Curie themselves. It was only later that TJ kids in the relevant classes confirmed (again, publicly and using their own names which were on the lists) having seen a few questions that were on the exam in their classes at Curie.

Not illegal, but definitely a huge gap in the admissions process that needed to be solved.

The problem of prep is all-pervasive and has been going on forever. Tell me one area where there's no prep. Every test is preppable and someone will crack the code.

And that's why the movement in elite education is persistently away from standardized exams. Admissions officers have learned the hard way that exam performance is a confounding variable that simultaneously incentivizes destructive behavior on the part of parents (which, by the way, second-gen children of immigrants like me are moving away from as well, thank goodness) AND pushes many of the wrong students to the top of the pile.

In the case of TJ, because the exams were nationally normed and students had to achieve a certain percentile rather than a raw score to be considered for admission, choosing NOT to engage in the expensive and time-consuming prep by definition significantly harmed your chances to either make the semifinalist pool or be selected once you got there.

While there is more work to be done with respect to identifying metrics that can actually help select a quality class of students (I would begin by making test score submissions optional and re-introducing a revamped teacher recommendation form that requires teachers to compare students to the rest of their class and limits the amount of free response - while simultaneously training admissions committee members on identifying and recognizing bias) the simple act of eliminating the exam and therefore the application fee removed a lot of the negative incentives that the previous admissions process fostered.

You do realize many teachers are biased, right?

[Anonymous]

Korean American and voted for Republican governor for the first time ever.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The numbers in Fairfax County didn't change that much in this year's Governor race.

They did change significantly in Loudoun County. Which means you're talking about rich white folks and Indians.

I'm Asian (not Indian) and live in Loudon County. I voted for a GOP governor for the first time since I became a US citizen back in 1985. And it was not because of the CRT crap. It was because of TJ.

I'm Indian (FFX county) and have family/friends in Loudoun. Some of them have parents who worked here in the 60s and would NEVER vote Republican. I voted Dem. As the PP points out, CRT is something we are indifferent to. Most of us are aware of the race issues in this country that precedes us and support racial justice initiatives. My niece (born in the US) wouldn't talk to me for weeks because I made a random observation about a rude Black waiter at an Airport coffee shop. So yeah.. No Youngkin for us but TJ (or any admission process that we perceive as targeting us) is a problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“ I read that 30% of the class came from one prep center last year and they posted their names online. Guessing the other 60% came from different prep centers?”

The crazy use of test prep centers is what drove reform. People were sick of it.

What prep center?

There are several popular ones but there was the one that posted the names of 30%+ of the incoming TJ class that had taken their $10k prep classes a few years ago. I think some people felt bad when they realized people were simply buying admissions.

Yeah. Some idiot poster whose kid couldn't cut it started that rumor.

They.... posted the list on Facebook.... quite publicly... But in fairness, it was only 28% of the incoming class, not 30+%. And the flagship TJ prep course only cost $5K.

If you want to know who started the rumor, it was Curie themselves. It was only later that TJ kids in the relevant classes confirmed (again, publicly and using their own names which were on the lists) having seen a few questions that were on the exam in their classes at Curie.

Not illegal, but definitely a huge gap in the admissions process that needed to be solved.

The problem of prep is all-pervasive and has been going on forever. Tell me one area where there's no prep. Every test is preppable and someone will crack the code.

And that's why the movement in elite education is persistently away from standardized exams. Admissions officers have learned the hard way that exam performance is a confounding variable that simultaneously incentivizes destructive behavior on the part of parents (which, by the way, second-gen children of immigrants like me are moving away from as well, thank goodness) AND pushes many of the wrong students to the top of the pile.

In the case of TJ, because the exams were nationally normed and students had to achieve a certain percentile rather than a raw score to be considered for admission, choosing NOT to engage in the expensive and time-consuming prep by definition significantly harmed your chances to either make the semifinalist pool or be selected once you got there.

While there is more work to be done with respect to identifying metrics that can actually help select a quality class of students (I would begin by making test score submissions optional and re-introducing a revamped teacher recommendation form that requires teachers to compare students to the rest of their class and limits the amount of free response - while simultaneously training admissions committee members on identifying and recognizing bias) the simple act of eliminating the exam and therefore the application fee removed a lot of the negative incentives that the previous admissions process fostered.

Sure, but that opens the door up for all kinds of shenanigans and second guessing. At least with a test you can norm it for certain groups/situations. Without a test, it's impossible. It becomes a system with no standards with wishy-washy rules that panders to whoever is in control. Slippery slope.

You can't norm it for certain groups or situations - that becomes unconstitutional real quick.

Colleges operate within the realm of opacity pretty much exclusively and it works well for them.

Which has landed them in hot water. Let's see how this SC rules. All it takes is one lawsuit and a big fat settlement to fix that opacity problem. I get your point about unconstitutionality of set asides although that to me is the most logical solution. What's wrong with setting aside a certain % of seats/opportunities at all government funded institutions for Native Americans (at least 50% heritage) or Blacks (at least one parent is a direct descendant of slaves)? Supplement that with prep opportunities to level the playing field. I bet within a few years their scores and accomplishments will be at the highest levels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The numbers in Fairfax County didn't change that much in this year's Governor race.

They did change significantly in Loudoun County. Which means you're talking about rich white folks and Indians.

Overall, 38% more votes than 2017 in Loudon County:

2017:
D: 69,778
R: 46,396

2021
D: 89,390 (+28% votes)
R: 71,467 (+54% votes)

[Anonymous]

But seriously, do you think Youngkin will overturn TJ admission process?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But seriously, do you think Youngkin will overturn TJ admission process?

Suckers........................

you were fleeced.

[Anonymous]

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OMG - it is you who is so gullible. Youngkin is not a white nationalist. Far from it. He is a leader for all people in Virginia.

The white nationalists sure seem to love him.

"his win is a victory for our ideas"

He’s even got the white nationalist haircut.

Yup.

Look at these baby Trumpkins. Working their way up to a fleece vest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The numbers in Fairfax County didn't change that much in this year's Governor race.

They did change significantly in Loudoun County. Which means you're talking about rich white folks and Indians.

Overall, 38% more votes than 2017 in Loudon County:

2017:
D: 69,778
R: 46,396

2021
D: 89,390 (+28% votes)
R: 71,467 (+54% votes)

My Asian and Indian friends in FFX and Loudoun were angry with the democrats for several reasons:

- VMPI - it was state wide.
- TJ
- Covid response bungled
- very late reopening, even after most teachers were vaccinated. It did not make any sense, other than maybe teachers were lazy?

Long after the election, the emails/texts between the Board members were revealed.

- they literally laughed / “LOL” about anti-Asian racism? This we will not forget.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The numbers in Fairfax County didn't change that much in this year's Governor race.

They did change significantly in Loudoun County. Which means you're talking about rich white folks and Indians.

Overall, 38% more votes than 2017 in Loudon County:

2017:
D: 69,778
R: 46,396

2021
D: 89,390 (+28% votes)
R: 71,467 (+54% votes)

My Asian and Indian friends in FFX and Loudoun were angry with the democrats for several reasons:

- VMPI - it was state wide.
- TJ
- Covid response bungled
- very late reopening, even after most teachers were vaccinated. It did not make any sense, other than maybe teachers were lazy?

Long after the election, the emails/texts between the Board members were revealed.

- they literally laughed / “LOL” about anti-Asian racism? This we will not forget.

FCPS staff had a zoom meeting during the height of the anti-asian violance. All they wanted to talk about was racism against blacks and CRT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The numbers in Fairfax County didn't change that much in this year's Governor race.

They did change significantly in Loudoun County. Which means you're talking about rich white folks and Indians.

Overall, 38% more votes than 2017 in Loudon County:

2017:
D: 69,778
R: 46,396

2021
D: 89,390 (+28% votes)
R: 71,467 (+54% votes)

My Asian and Indian friends in FFX and Loudoun were angry with the democrats for several reasons:

- VMPI - it was state wide.
- TJ
- Covid response bungled
- very late reopening, even after most teachers were vaccinated. It did not make any sense, other than maybe teachers were lazy?

Long after the election, the emails/texts between the Board members were revealed.

- they literally laughed / “LOL” about anti-Asian racism? This we will not forget.

FCPS staff had a zoom meeting during the height of the anti-asian violance. All they wanted to talk about was racism against blacks and CRT.

Ain't that the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The numbers in Fairfax County didn't change that much in this year's Governor race.

They did change significantly in Loudoun County. Which means you're talking about rich white folks and Indians.

Overall, 38% more votes than 2017 in Loudon County:

2017:
D: 69,778
R: 46,396

2021
D: 89,390 (+28% votes)
R: 71,467 (+54% votes)

My Asian and Indian friends in FFX and Loudoun were angry with the democrats for several reasons:

- VMPI - it was state wide.
- TJ
- Covid response bungled
- very late reopening, even after most teachers were vaccinated. It did not make any sense, other than maybe teachers were lazy?

Long after the election, the emails/texts between the Board members were revealed.

- they literally laughed / “LOL” about anti-Asian racism? This we will not forget.

So your "friends" voted out of spite?

And "they" thought teachers were "lazy"?

Sounds like a bunch of losers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The numbers in Fairfax County didn't change that much in this year's Governor race.

They did change significantly in Loudoun County. Which means you're talking about rich white folks and Indians.

Overall, 38% more votes than 2017 in Loudon County:

2017:
D: 69,778
R: 46,396

2021
D: 89,390 (+28% votes)
R: 71,467 (+54% votes)

My Asian and Indian friends in FFX and Loudoun were angry with the democrats for several reasons:

- VMPI - it was state wide.
- TJ
- Covid response bungled
- very late reopening, even after most teachers were vaccinated. It did not make any sense, other than maybe teachers were lazy?

Long after the election, the emails/texts between the Board members were revealed.

- they literally laughed / “LOL” about anti-Asian racism? This we will not forget.

So your "friends" voted out of spite?

And "they" thought teachers were "lazy"?

Sounds like a bunch of losers.

They didn't "think". They "knew".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The numbers in Fairfax County didn't change that much in this year's Governor race.

They did change significantly in Loudoun County. Which means you're talking about rich white folks and Indians.

Overall, 38% more votes than 2017 in Loudon County:

2017:
D: 69,778
R: 46,396

2021
D: 89,390 (+28% votes)
R: 71,467 (+54% votes)

My Asian and Indian friends in FFX and Loudoun were angry with the democrats for several reasons:

- VMPI - it was state wide.
- TJ
- Covid response bungled
- very late reopening, even after most teachers were vaccinated. It did not make any sense, other than maybe teachers were lazy?

Long after the election, the emails/texts between the Board members were revealed.

- they literally laughed / “LOL” about anti-Asian racism? This we will not forget.

FCPS staff had a zoom meeting during the height of the anti-asian violance. All they wanted to talk about was racism against blacks and CRT.

Ain't that the truth.

They paid some outside consultant $24,000 for just a zoom call, for only one hour, lecture about CRT.

Why dont they focus on the schools in pandemic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The numbers in Fairfax County didn't change that much in this year's Governor race.

They did change significantly in Loudoun County. Which means you're talking about rich white folks and Indians.

Overall, 38% more votes than 2017 in Loudon County:

2017:
D: 69,778
R: 46,396

2021
D: 89,390 (+28% votes)
R: 71,467 (+54% votes)

My Asian and Indian friends in FFX and Loudoun were angry with the democrats for several reasons:

- VMPI - it was state wide.
- TJ
- Covid response bungled
- very late reopening, even after most teachers were vaccinated. It did not make any sense, other than maybe teachers were lazy?

Long after the election, the emails/texts between the Board members were revealed.

- they literally laughed / “LOL” about anti-Asian racism? This we will not forget.

So your "friends" voted out of spite?

And "they" thought teachers were "lazy"?

Sounds like a bunch of losers.

I’m not the PP, did not vote Youngkin and am a Dem. But lecturing people that they voted wrong because they voted based on their interest issues sure does not sound like a winning strategy .