Youngkin and TJ

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“ I read that 30% of the class came from one prep center last year and they posted their names online. Guessing the other 60% came from different prep centers?”

The crazy use of test prep centers is what drove reform. People were sick of it.

What prep center?

There are several popular ones but there was the one that posted the names of 30%+ of the incoming TJ class that had taken their $10k prep classes a few years ago. I think some people felt bad when they realized people were simply buying admissions.

Yeah. Some idiot poster whose kid couldn't cut it started that rumor.

They.... posted the list on Facebook.... quite publicly... But in fairness, it was only 28% of the incoming class, not 30+%. And the flagship TJ prep course only cost $5K.

If you want to know who started the rumor, it was Curie themselves. It was only later that TJ kids in the relevant classes confirmed (again, publicly and using their own names which were on the lists) having seen a few questions that were on the exam in their classes at Curie.

Not illegal, but definitely a huge gap in the admissions process that needed to be solved.

The problem of prep is all-pervasive and has been going on forever. Tell me one area where there's no prep. Every test is preppable and someone will crack the code.

And that's why the movement in elite education is persistently away from standardized exams. Admissions officers have learned the hard way that exam performance is a confounding variable that simultaneously incentivizes destructive behavior on the part of parents (which, by the way, second-gen children of immigrants like me are moving away from as well, thank goodness) AND pushes many of the wrong students to the top of the pile.

In the case of TJ, because the exams were nationally normed and students had to achieve a certain percentile rather than a raw score to be considered for admission, choosing NOT to engage in the expensive and time-consuming prep by definition significantly harmed your chances to either make the semifinalist pool or be selected once you got there.

While there is more work to be done with respect to identifying metrics that can actually help select a quality class of students (I would begin by making test score submissions optional and re-introducing a revamped teacher recommendation form that requires teachers to compare students to the rest of their class and limits the amount of free response - while simultaneously training admissions committee members on identifying and recognizing bias) the simple act of eliminating the exam and therefore the application fee removed a lot of the negative incentives that the previous admissions process fostered.

[Anonymous]

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OMG - it is you who is so gullible. Youngkin is not a white nationalist. Far from it. He is a leader for all people in Virginia.

The white nationalists sure seem to love him.

"his win is a victory for our ideas"

He’s even got the white nationalist haircut.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know that lots of Asian parents that usually vote for a Dem VA governor voted for snake oil salesman youngkin this time because of TJ mess????

I seriously doubt this. A lot of Asian parents talked about this but very few actually voted for him (at least in our circle of Indian friends). We are more anti-Trump than worried about the school board nonsense. We do plan on paying more attention to the school board elections when that happens to make sure there's a focus on education.

The anti-dem wave was all driven by white women. Most were turned off by masking and school closures during the pandemic (which literally all Asians support) as well as the perception of CRT education (which Asians really don't give a sh*t about, one way or the other). Besides, white women never fail to vote for a good looking man - Black or White.

I agree 100% about Asians really don't give a sh*t about CRT. We care more about STEM and getting into a good in-state college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know that lots of Asian parents that usually vote for a Dem VA governor voted for snake oil salesman youngkin this time because of TJ mess????

I seriously doubt this. A lot of Asian parents talked about this but very few actually voted for him (at least in our circle of Indian friends). We are more anti-Trump than worried about the school board nonsense. We do plan on paying more attention to the school board elections when that happens to make sure there's a focus on education.

The anti-dem wave was all driven by white women. Most were turned off by masking and school closures during the pandemic (which literally all Asians support) as well as the perception of CRT education (which Asians really don't give a sh*t about, one way or the other). Besides, white women never fail to vote for a good looking man - Black or White.

I agree 100% about Asians really don't give a sh*t about CRT. We care more about STEM and getting into a good in-state college.

I am asian and many in our circle including indian friends turned on the dems because of TJ. In fact many didn't vote but after we brought it up they were more inclined to watch closely and vote in the future against the liberal schools board.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you know that lots of Asian parents that usually vote for a Dem VA governor voted for snake oil salesman youngkin this time because of TJ mess????

I seriously doubt this. A lot of Asian parents talked about this but very few actually voted for him (at least in our circle of Indian friends). We are more anti-Trump than worried about the school board nonsense. We do plan on paying more attention to the school board elections when that happens to make sure there's a focus on education.

The anti-dem wave was all driven by white women. Most were turned off by masking and school closures during the pandemic (which literally all Asians support) as well as the perception of CRT education (which Asians really don't give a sh*t about, one way or the other). Besides, white women never fail to vote for a good looking man - Black or White.

I agree 100% about Asians really don't give a sh*t about CRT. We care more about STEM and getting into a good in-state college.

I am asian and many in our circle including indian friends turned on the dems because of TJ. In fact many didn't vote but after we brought it up they were more inclined to watch closely and vote in the future against the liberal schools board.

Good luck, on one hand, you have a party that wants to wholesale abandon public education and on the other a party who wants to abandon advanced math

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you know that lots of Asian parents that usually vote for a Dem VA governor voted for snake oil salesman youngkin this time because of TJ mess????

I seriously doubt this. A lot of Asian parents talked about this but very few actually voted for him (at least in our circle of Indian friends). We are more anti-Trump than worried about the school board nonsense. We do plan on paying more attention to the school board elections when that happens to make sure there's a focus on education.

The anti-dem wave was all driven by white women. Most were turned off by masking and school closures during the pandemic (which literally all Asians support) as well as the perception of CRT education (which Asians really don't give a sh*t about, one way or the other). Besides, white women never fail to vote for a good looking man - Black or White.

+1 East Asian mom here. I couldn't have said better myself.

Most accurate post of this forum!
So true - Overwhelmingly, Asians would rather see a stronger, less mean Democratic party. Rather than vote Republican. That may change though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you know that lots of Asian parents that usually vote for a Dem VA governor voted for snake oil salesman youngkin this time because of TJ mess????

I seriously doubt this. A lot of Asian parents talked about this but very few actually voted for him (at least in our circle of Indian friends). We are more anti-Trump than worried about the school board nonsense. We do plan on paying more attention to the school board elections when that happens to make sure there's a focus on education.

The anti-dem wave was all driven by white women. Most were turned off by masking and school closures during the pandemic (which literally all Asians support) as well as the perception of CRT education (which Asians really don't give a sh*t about, one way or the other). Besides, white women never fail to vote for a good looking man - Black or White.

+1 East Asian mom here. I couldn't have said better myself.

Most accurate post of this forum!
So true - Overwhelmingly, Asians would rather see a stronger, less mean Democratic party. Rather than vote Republican. That may change though.

Don't underestimate the power of the Asian vote in Fairfax County. Specially Koreans. If you piss them off, they will turn on you. They've send their presidents to jail or impeach them for crying out loud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you know that lots of Asian parents that usually vote for a Dem VA governor voted for snake oil salesman youngkin this time because of TJ mess????

I seriously doubt this. A lot of Asian parents talked about this but very few actually voted for him (at least in our circle of Indian friends). We are more anti-Trump than worried about the school board nonsense. We do plan on paying more attention to the school board elections when that happens to make sure there's a focus on education.

The anti-dem wave was all driven by white women. Most were turned off by masking and school closures during the pandemic (which literally all Asians support) as well as the perception of CRT education (which Asians really don't give a sh*t about, one way or the other). Besides, white women never fail to vote for a good looking man - Black or White.

+1 East Asian mom here. I couldn't have said better myself.

Most accurate post of this forum!
So true - Overwhelmingly, Asians would rather see a stronger, less mean Democratic party. Rather than vote Republican. That may change though.

Don't underestimate the power of the Asian vote in Fairfax County. Specially Koreans. If you piss them off, they will turn on you. They've send their presidents to jail or impeach them for crying out loud.

They went to vote with "Rooftop Korean" mentality last November. They were so angry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you know that lots of Asian parents that usually vote for a Dem VA governor voted for snake oil salesman youngkin this time because of TJ mess????

I seriously doubt this. A lot of Asian parents talked about this but very few actually voted for him (at least in our circle of Indian friends). We are more anti-Trump than worried about the school board nonsense. We do plan on paying more attention to the school board elections when that happens to make sure there's a focus on education.

The anti-dem wave was all driven by white women. Most were turned off by masking and school closures during the pandemic (which literally all Asians support) as well as the perception of CRT education (which Asians really don't give a sh*t about, one way or the other). Besides, white women never fail to vote for a good looking man - Black or White.

+1 East Asian mom here. I couldn't have said better myself.

Most accurate post of this forum!
So true - Overwhelmingly, Asians would rather see a stronger, less mean Democratic party. Rather than vote Republican. That may change though.

It's up to the Democratic party to make sure that doesn't happen. Asians, Indians especially are key for the party winning Georgia and Texas in the future. Listening is key.

[Anonymous]

The numbers in Fairfax County didn't change that much in this year's Governor race.

They did change significantly in Loudoun County. Which means you're talking about rich white folks and Indians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you know that lots of Asian parents that usually vote for a Dem VA governor voted for snake oil salesman youngkin this time because of TJ mess????

I seriously doubt this. A lot of Asian parents talked about this but very few actually voted for him (at least in our circle of Indian friends). We are more anti-Trump than worried about the school board nonsense. We do plan on paying more attention to the school board elections when that happens to make sure there's a focus on education.

The anti-dem wave was all driven by white women. Most were turned off by masking and school closures during the pandemic (which literally all Asians support) as well as the perception of CRT education (which Asians really don't give a sh*t about, one way or the other). Besides, white women never fail to vote for a good looking man - Black or White.

+1 East Asian mom here. I couldn't have said better myself.

Most accurate post of this forum!
So true - Overwhelmingly, Asians would rather see a stronger, less mean Democratic party. Rather than vote Republican. That may change though.

Don't underestimate the power of the Asian vote in Fairfax County. Specially Koreans. If you piss them off, they will turn on you. They've send their presidents to jail or impeach them for crying out loud.

They went to vote with "Rooftop Korean" mentality last November. They were so angry.

????

What the heck are you talking about ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ I read that 30% of the class came from one prep center last year and they posted their names online. Guessing the other 60% came from different prep centers?”

The crazy use of test prep centers is what drove reform. People were sick of it.

What prep center?

There are several popular ones but there was the one that posted the names of 30%+ of the incoming TJ class that had taken their $10k prep classes a few years ago. I think some people felt bad when they realized people were simply buying admissions.

Yeah. Some idiot poster whose kid couldn't cut it started that rumor.

They.... posted the list on Facebook.... quite publicly... But in fairness, it was only 28% of the incoming class, not 30+%. And the flagship TJ prep course only cost $5K.

If you want to know who started the rumor, it was Curie themselves. It was only later that TJ kids in the relevant classes confirmed (again, publicly and using their own names which were on the lists) having seen a few questions that were on the exam in their classes at Curie.

Not illegal, but definitely a huge gap in the admissions process that needed to be solved.

The problem of prep is all-pervasive and has been going on forever. Tell me one area where there's no prep. Every test is preppable and someone will crack the code.

And that's why the movement in elite education is persistently away from standardized exams. Admissions officers have learned the hard way that exam performance is a confounding variable that simultaneously incentivizes destructive behavior on the part of parents (which, by the way, second-gen children of immigrants like me are moving away from as well, thank goodness) AND pushes many of the wrong students to the top of the pile.

In the case of TJ, because the exams were nationally normed and students had to achieve a certain percentile rather than a raw score to be considered for admission, choosing NOT to engage in the expensive and time-consuming prep by definition significantly harmed your chances to either make the semifinalist pool or be selected once you got there.

While there is more work to be done with respect to identifying metrics that can actually help select a quality class of students (I would begin by making test score submissions optional and re-introducing a revamped teacher recommendation form that requires teachers to compare students to the rest of their class and limits the amount of free response - while simultaneously training admissions committee members on identifying and recognizing bias) the simple act of eliminating the exam and therefore the application fee removed a lot of the negative incentives that the previous admissions process fostered.

Sure, but that opens the door up for all kinds of shenanigans and second guessing. At least with a test you can norm it for certain groups/situations. Without a test, it's impossible. It becomes a system with no standards with wishy-washy rules that panders to whoever is in control. Slippery slope.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The numbers in Fairfax County didn't change that much in this year's Governor race.

They did change significantly in Loudoun County. Which means you're talking about rich white folks and Indians.

I'm Asian (not Indian) and live in Loudon County. I voted for a GOP governor for the first time since I became a US citizen back in 1985. And it was not because of the CRT crap. It was because of TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you know that lots of Asian parents that usually vote for a Dem VA governor voted for snake oil salesman youngkin this time because of TJ mess????

I seriously doubt this. A lot of Asian parents talked about this but very few actually voted for him (at least in our circle of Indian friends). We are more anti-Trump than worried about the school board nonsense. We do plan on paying more attention to the school board elections when that happens to make sure there's a focus on education.

The anti-dem wave was all driven by white women. Most were turned off by masking and school closures during the pandemic (which literally all Asians support) as well as the perception of CRT education (which Asians really don't give a sh*t about, one way or the other). Besides, white women never fail to vote for a good looking man - Black or White.

+1 East Asian mom here. I couldn't have said better myself.

Most accurate post of this forum!
So true - Overwhelmingly, Asians would rather see a stronger, less mean Democratic party. Rather than vote Republican. That may change though.

Don't underestimate the power of the Asian vote in Fairfax County. Specially Koreans. If you piss them off, they will turn on you. They've send their presidents to jail or impeach them for crying out loud.

They went to vote with "Rooftop Korean" mentality last November. They were so angry.

????

What the heck are you talking about ?

google it. you might learn something today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ I read that 30% of the class came from one prep center last year and they posted their names online. Guessing the other 60% came from different prep centers?”

The crazy use of test prep centers is what drove reform. People were sick of it.

What prep center?

There are several popular ones but there was the one that posted the names of 30%+ of the incoming TJ class that had taken their $10k prep classes a few years ago. I think some people felt bad when they realized people were simply buying admissions.

Yeah. Some idiot poster whose kid couldn't cut it started that rumor.

They.... posted the list on Facebook.... quite publicly... But in fairness, it was only 28% of the incoming class, not 30+%. And the flagship TJ prep course only cost $5K.

If you want to know who started the rumor, it was Curie themselves. It was only later that TJ kids in the relevant classes confirmed (again, publicly and using their own names which were on the lists) having seen a few questions that were on the exam in their classes at Curie.

Not illegal, but definitely a huge gap in the admissions process that needed to be solved.

The problem of prep is all-pervasive and has been going on forever. Tell me one area where there's no prep. Every test is preppable and someone will crack the code.

And that's why the movement in elite education is persistently away from standardized exams. Admissions officers have learned the hard way that exam performance is a confounding variable that simultaneously incentivizes destructive behavior on the part of parents (which, by the way, second-gen children of immigrants like me are moving away from as well, thank goodness) AND pushes many of the wrong students to the top of the pile.

In the case of TJ, because the exams were nationally normed and students had to achieve a certain percentile rather than a raw score to be considered for admission, choosing NOT to engage in the expensive and time-consuming prep by definition significantly harmed your chances to either make the semifinalist pool or be selected once you got there.

While there is more work to be done with respect to identifying metrics that can actually help select a quality class of students (I would begin by making test score submissions optional and re-introducing a revamped teacher recommendation form that requires teachers to compare students to the rest of their class and limits the amount of free response - while simultaneously training admissions committee members on identifying and recognizing bias) the simple act of eliminating the exam and therefore the application fee removed a lot of the negative incentives that the previous admissions process fostered.

Sure, but that opens the door up for all kinds of shenanigans and second guessing. At least with a test you can norm it for certain groups/situations. Without a test, it's impossible. It becomes a system with no standards with wishy-washy rules that panders to whoever is in control. Slippery slope.

You can't norm it for certain groups or situations - that becomes unconstitutional real quick.

Colleges operate within the realm of opacity pretty much exclusively and it works well for them.