Lockdown at Blair?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Again, this has nothing to do with what parents are concerned about in this thread. You can pursue this in another thread, I very much agree with you that it's an important issue and will help with trust in communities. But reforming the police has NOTHING to do with bullying and harassment of students (and teachers) in the classroom, so please don't try to change the subject and push your agenda. If it had something to do with it, the fact that the SROs are gone should have increased trust and consequently made behavior better in schools, but it seems to have had the opposite effect.

There's at least one poster on this thread who is extremely concerned about the removal of the SROs. And police accountability (or lack of it) is why the SROs were removed. It's impossible to have a serious discussion about the SROs without talking about police accountability (or lack of it).

So, what's the answer now. It's clear that there are some serious safety issues in our schools. What is the BOE and Elrich going to do now? Just keep sending out fluff messages? All talk; no action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Student activism drove much of the anti-SRO movement. Students of color say that they don't feel safe with SROs in the schools.

but maybe other kids feel safer with SROs, and certainly, the Principals wanted to keep the SROs.

It's a movement. People who like them come from a position of privilege, so their feelings of safety don't trump those students of color who are fearful of SROs and more likely that non-POC to be arrested. SROs are police and the argument is that police don't belong in schools.

These are culture wars. If both sides have very little in common over core cultural beliefs such as what does it mean to be safe, then the schools will get more and more segregated, as you'll have more white flight. This is the exact same issue with neighborhoods being completely segregated. It's a horrible thing to see happen in our culture, but it's inevitable when both sides can't find anything in common and see things as black and white. Here white people want to feel safe and do not feel that way, and will do/spend whatever they can to achieve that. Meanwhile black people will continue to believe that law enforcement is not safe for them, and the movements will continue to fight against it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Student activism drove much of the anti-SRO movement. Students of color say that they don't feel safe with SROs in the schools.

but maybe other kids feel safer with SROs, and certainly, the Principals wanted to keep the SROs.

It's a movement. People who like them come from a position of privilege, so their feelings of safety don't trump those students of color who are fearful of SROs and more likely that non-POC to be arrested. SROs are police and the argument is that police don't belong in schools.

These are culture wars. If both sides have very little in common over core cultural beliefs such as what does it mean to be safe, then the schools will get more and more segregated, as you'll have more white flight. This is the exact same issue with neighborhoods being completely segregated. It's a horrible thing to see happen in our culture, but it's inevitable when both sides can't find anything in common and see things as black and white. Here white people want to feel safe and do not feel that way, and will do/spend whatever they can to achieve that. Meanwhile black people will continue to believe that law enforcement is not safe for them, and the movements will continue to fight against it.

To add, I also thing that as long as this is perceived as unsolvable and both sides stick to their strong beliefs, it will always end up at the whim of politics. I'm guessing what this means is that in low SES areas/schools will get their way and high SES areas will get their way, because that's the easiest thing for local politicians to do, cater to their voters. Again, it's super sad, but it will slowly continue to get culturally worse if nobody wants to meet in the middle and actually work out a solution.

[Anonymous]

how many and which kids have been arrested by sro and why. without this info, we cant make data driven decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Student activism drove much of the anti-SRO movement. Students of color say that they don't feel safe with SROs in the schools.

but maybe other kids feel safer with SROs, and certainly, the Principals wanted to keep the SROs.

It's a movement. People who like them come from a position of privilege, so their feelings of safety don't trump those students of color who are fearful of SROs and more likely that non-POC to be arrested. SROs are police and the argument is that police don't belong in schools.

Three Percent. That's the percentage of arrests initiated by SROs in this county. Let that sink in. Let's admit that the politicians did not care to even assess this data but instead used the testimonies of maybe 20 students to make their decision
This decision was based on emotions and a political agenda.

[Anonymous]

So, to those against Sro in the school, what is the solution? Clearly there is a need.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Student activism drove much of the anti-SRO movement. Students of color say that they don't feel safe with SROs in the schools.

but maybe other kids feel safer with SROs, and certainly, the Principals wanted to keep the SROs.

It's a movement. People who like them come from a position of privilege, so their feelings of safety don't trump those students of color who are fearful of SROs and more likely that non-POC to be arrested. SROs are police and the argument is that police don't belong in schools.

Three Percent. That's the percentage of arrests initiated by SROs in this county. Let that sink in. Let's admit that the politicians did not care to even assess this data but instead used the testimonies of maybe 20 students to make their decision
This decision was based on emotions and a political agenda.

Well there's also research and data to back up the decision, cited up thread and then conveniently ignored.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Student activism drove much of the anti-SRO movement. Students of color say that they don't feel safe with SROs in the schools.

but maybe other kids feel safer with SROs, and certainly, the Principals wanted to keep the SROs.

It's a movement. People who like them come from a position of privilege, so their feelings of safety don't trump those students of color who are fearful of SROs and more likely that non-POC to be arrested. SROs are police and the argument is that police don't belong in schools.

Three Percent. That's the percentage of arrests initiated by SROs in this county. Let that sink in. Let's admit that the politicians did not care to even assess this data but instead used the testimonies of maybe 20 students to make their decision
This decision was based on emotions and a political agenda.

Well there's also research and data to back up the decision, cited up thread and then conveniently ignored.

Where is the mcps data supporting the decision? I haven't seen it. Not even upthread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Student activism drove much of the anti-SRO movement. Students of color say that they don't feel safe with SROs in the schools.

but maybe other kids feel safer with SROs, and certainly, the Principals wanted to keep the SROs.

It's a movement. People who like them come from a position of privilege, so their feelings of safety don't trump those students of color who are fearful of SROs and more likely that non-POC to be arrested. SROs are police and the argument is that police don't belong in schools.

Three Percent. That's the percentage of arrests initiated by SROs in this county. Let that sink in. Let's admit that the politicians did not care to even assess this data but instead used the testimonies of maybe 20 students to make their decision
This decision was based on emotions and a political agenda.

Well there's also research and data to back up the decision, cited up thread and then conveniently ignored.

it's not ignored. People acknowledged that there are some cops who are bad, and that those cops should be removed from the schools, but that doesn't mean all SROs are bad and should be removed. I'm sure you would not want a certain group to be painted with a broad brush. Why don't you give the same courtesy to other groups?

And the anti-sro folks have never once answered the question of why Principals want SROs in the school, and whether they would call the cops if someone was trying to hurt their kids.

I will take the word of the people who deal with these kids everyday over the words of someone who sits in an office behind a desk most of the day.

I'd like to see these folks in the schools and actually deal with a belligerent student who is disruptive and possibly threatening others. Please.. show us how it's done.

[Anonymous]

I will be fine with POC and White SROs working together in schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will be fine with POC and White SROs working together in schools.

I’d be fine if SROs only dealt with white students and psychologist dealt all the other students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will be fine with POC and White SROs working together in schools.

I’d be fine if SROs only dealt with white students and psychologist dealt all the other students.

and the student threatens the psychologist, what will the psychologist do? Yep, call the SRO. Lucky for the psych, the SRO was there. Ooops, nope, the SROs aren't there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will be fine with POC and White SROs working together in schools.

someone stated that the majority of SROs were actually black/bronw people. I don't know if that's true. Does anyone have a break down.

Didn't someone say that the cop who yelled at the black kid was a black male?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will be fine with POC and White SROs working together in schools.

I’d be fine if SROs only dealt with white students and psychologist dealt all the other students.

and the student threatens the psychologist, what will the psychologist do? Yep, call the SRO. Lucky for the psych, the SRO was there. Ooops, nope, the SROs aren't there.

What does the psychologist still in their office when somebody threatens them? That’s what they should do.

You hate the idea though right… White kids get arrested for the same thing black kids are doing the black kids get to go to a psychologist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Student activism drove much of the anti-SRO movement. Students of color say that they don't feel safe with SROs in the schools.

but maybe other kids feel safer with SROs, and certainly, the Principals wanted to keep the SROs.

It's a movement. People who like them come from a position of privilege, so their feelings of safety don't trump those students of color who are fearful of SROs and more likely that non-POC to be arrested. SROs are police and the argument is that police don't belong in schools.

Three Percent. That's the percentage of arrests initiated by SROs in this county. Let that sink in. Let's admit that the politicians did not care to even assess this data but instead used the testimonies of maybe 20 students to make their decision
This decision was based on emotions and a political agenda.

Well there's also research and data to back up the decision, cited up thread and then conveniently ignored.

it's not ignored. People acknowledged that there are some cops who are bad, and that those cops should be removed from the schools, but that doesn't mean all SROs are bad and should be removed. I'm sure you would not want a certain group to be painted with a broad brush. Why don't you give the same courtesy to other groups?

And the anti-sro folks have never once answered the question of why Principals want SROs in the school, and whether they would call the cops if someone was trying to hurt their kids.

I will take the word of the people who deal with these kids everyday over the words of someone who sits in an office behind a desk most of the day.

I'd like to see these folks in the schools and actually deal with a belligerent student who is disruptive and possibly threatening others. Please.. show us how it's done.

Your response clearly tells me you didn't bother to read the research. You are not interested in learning about this issue, just arguing about it.