ECNL moving to school year part 2
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Anonymous
He still up in arms about Aug-Sep kids playing on age (if that's what happens) and blew up because some researched shared about college volleyball players that confirmed rae in a SY system with different school and club cutoffs. So, nothing REALLY new for this thread. Chaos Caused by Different Cutoff Dates: Relative Age Effects and Redshirting in Collegiate Volleyball in the United States https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4663/13/2/53#sports-13-00053-t001 |
Anonymous
Nope, every club hopper I've ever seen burns bridges everywhere they go. Over time they run out of clubs to play for and end up on the oddball loser team. Seen it hapoen multiple times. Add in that you dont think the rules apply to your kid and that you literally want to play down and its not going to be a happy ending. People see through you and college coachs will discount players playing down a grade. You're not going to sneak playing down a grade past them. |
Anonymous
the article cited is garbage. Heres part 2 of the study that shows exactly the opposite of what your nonsense articles without real data try to show. https://medium.com/@giaco...a2ab4f852a "Finally, it appears that birth month (at least according to our models) has a minimal influence on the success of a player. However, while the impact was small, it was still found that players born later in the year had a positive impact in each position group’s definition of success. This is fascinating as we had determined that a much greater number of professional players are born earlier in the year, more than likely as a result of the global youth development structure." |
Anonymous
Hmm this link maybe? https://medium.com/@giacorada/what-impacts-the-success-of-a-professional-soccer-player-14a2ab4f852a |
Anonymous
Guess who missed this part ... This is fascinating as we had determined that a much greater number of professional players are born earlier in the year, more than likely as a result of the global youth development structure. ... So, there are still a ton FEWER players born later in the year. The reasons, not really discussed here, have to do with another theory discussed on these topics. It's called the underdog effect. Basically, the outliers tend to be great because they had to be. But it comes at a huge cost of a ton of players not making it, more so than the at the other birth months. |
Anonymous
Who said anything about playing down? This is an attitude and a culture where aggressiveness both by the player and parent is rewarded by the top clubs. The kid has to be good, tho. |
Anonymous
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Great paper. Worth reading.
Chaos Caused by Different Cutoff Dates: Relative Age Effects and Redshirting in Collegiate Volleyball in the United States... https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4663/13/2/53#sports-13-00053-t001 "No matter the confusion caused by the numerous cutoff dates for school in the United States, RAEs are prevalent in men and women’s volleyball when accounting for the school cutoff and athletic timing." |
Anonymous
Aug poster is trying to create a scenario where his September daughter doesn't have to compete with an August girl currently an age group up (he mentioned he has a September girl who is around U14/15 and a younger July girl around say U10/U11 and his hating on August kids makes it clear that an August girl would replace his Sept girl under SY). Because the August girl went to school on time, she will be misaligned Sy with her age group and school grade. The Aug poster spent months on this forum trying to convince leagues to go grade year with his they must create SY+30 or 60, meaning SY but the kids around the cutoff must play on grade instead of age. It didn't work. His basic ruse is that kids misaligning with age group and grade will somehow be blocked from playing in college. Teams and college coaches said it doesn't matter, they will take the best fit regardless. And he can't explain how foreign kids get recruited or gap years or how colleges recruit now with age groups across two grades, etc. Then he put his hope on teams forcing kids to play on grade while the leagues are trying to dissuade from playing up and don't recognize grades. Almost all of teams said that playing up was skill based and said grade really don't matter but a few were going to try to replicate grades. So this was a dead end for him also but he was kicking and screaming saying that August kids must be allowed to play up if they went to school on time. Then he went on a campaign saying leagues have to have guidance to clubs to force August kids to play up when they already said the opposite. Finally, he is trying to convince August born kids misaligned with age group and grade that playing up is the smart thing to do. He is mad now because he can't explain away how the oldest in an age group is most likely to play in college vs the youngest while the youngest in an age group is most likely to quit early. Essentially central tenets of the relative age effect. So to scare August kids to play up he has to pretend the relative age effect doesn't exist and kids can't ever ever ever play soccer in college if they didn't play on grade in club soccer. When people point out that citations saying college coaches don't care about your you age group and the impact of the relative age effect, he gets angry. Doesn't provide evidence refuting, he just gets angry and rewrites his misguided biased opinion to helicopter a rule to save his daughter at the expense of others. |
Anonymous
Wow that is quite a strawman you've created in your head. |
Anonymous
Its because in general players who's parents are looking to play down arent very good. If they were good playing up would be no problem. They're looking to play down because they can't compete with players their own grade. |
Anonymous
He's also convinced he's saving Aug-Sep parents from what he views is bad advice on this forum -- that's his stated justification where he also projects his behavior, calling others who challenge him trolls who sit on the thread, when he is truth is most the prolific poster present on any thread even somewhat related when it comes to this topic. |
Anonymous
Being the youngest isn't always easy. The new soccer rules will allow them a chance to be the oldest. |
Anonymous
Crazy town is showing what he's like. The fits will get bigger and more crazy until reality comes this fall when all players on the top team rosters will have the same graduating year and there wont be anyone playing down. |
Anonymous
But Aug birthdays are still the same grade in school nothing changes. In a college coaches eyes you're just a weird sophmore thats playing at the freshman level. |
Anonymous
He also does this ^^^^, when lots of evidence contradicts his claims like top clubs saying they'll be case-by-case OR that grade alone is not a reason to play up. He says he'll be proven right EVENTUALLY. It's very Don Quixote, really. |