ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:As the oldest, August players have the highest chance to play in college under SY.

Except for any Aug players forced to play up because of grade. Then, they become the youngest. So stupid of an idea.

Not even close to the dumb idea of playing down a grade and thinking that college coaches wont notice.

The truth is being misaligned will make it harder just like it'll be harder if you are forced to play up. Both would be an extra hurdle to overcome. Not impossible in either case for the talented/hardest working but it would stymie many others in either situation. Interestingly, with how it's shaking out, we'll have clubs some clubs that go with grade and the oldest and others who make it case-by-case.

Correct being misaligned will make college recruiting much harder. To address there are two options. Play up with your grade or get held back a year in school. Either way you'll align grade in school with level played in club. Most rational people in this situation will choose to play on the correct grade team.

Why go through all the challenges of being an oddball. Just play your kid on a correct grade team from a young age. When it matters they'll be used to playing at the grade level college coaches are looking for.

That doesn't mean you always need to play with your grade though. Especially for girls when they are 14 or 15 they can realign to play with their grade. They will be done growing at that point and the RAE effect is much much less than it is when they are Ulittle ages.

Thats a lot of extra effort just to use rae to justify playing on a grade down on an A team. You dont think these type of players wont piss off correct grade parents? You dont think these type of players wont become a problem for 8th grade teams when they're playing HS soccer for 3 months during the season? You think correct grade teams will welcome a less developed player from a lower grade team?

Switching teams isn't extra effort, it is often what is required as kids get older to put them in position to play in college regardless of being misaligned or not. Others parents are always pissed, nobody cares, welcome to travel. If you are positioning you kid to keep other parent happy, you are parenting wrong. Players aren't welcomed to new teams, they just show up. Thinking a team is some kind of democracy is your problem, it doesn't work that way.

You are completely selfish and wrong. Coaches / Clubs will filter out parents like you after a couple of seasons. Seen it happen multiple times. Unless your kid is a unicorn which I doubt is the case since all you want to do is play down.

These parents aren't filtered out. They club hop and if they're kid is good enough, they've got them on the top MLSN/GA/ECNL teams. Those clubs cater to these parents, BTW, because they all are ruthless and play to win. By recruiting the best players and winning the most, they keep their college pipelines strong as well as the reputation.

I have seen the club hoppers come all the time. Clubs welcome them with open arms and have no problem pushing all the other kids on the team down a peg. You what the parents say? Nothing, because they know that's how sports works from rec to national teams.

Nope, every club hopper I've ever seen burns bridges everywhere they go. Over time they run out of clubs to play for and end up on the oddball loser team. Seen it hapoen multiple times. Add in that you dont think the rules apply to your kid and that you literally want to play down and its not going to be a happy ending. People see through you and college coachs will discount players playing down a grade. You're not going to sneak playing down a grade past them.

Who said anything about playing down? This is an attitude and a culture where aggressiveness both by the player and parent is rewarded by the top clubs. The kid has to be good, tho.

Its because in general players who's parents are looking to play down arent very good. If they were good playing up would be no problem. They're looking to play down because they can't compete with players their own grade.

Being the youngest isn't always easy. The new soccer rules will allow them a chance to be the oldest.

But Aug birthdays are still the same grade in school nothing changes. In a college coaches eyes you're just a weird sophmore thats playing at the freshman level.

Will they view an Arlington A player like that? I don't think so.

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Anonymous wrote:As the oldest, August players have the highest chance to play in college under SY.

Except for any Aug players forced to play up because of grade. Then, they become the youngest. So stupid of an idea.

Not even close to the dumb idea of playing down a grade and thinking that college coaches wont notice.

The truth is being misaligned will make it harder just like it'll be harder if you are forced to play up. Both would be an extra hurdle to overcome. Not impossible in either case for the talented/hardest working but it would stymie many others in either situation. Interestingly, with how it's shaking out, we'll have clubs some clubs that go with grade and the oldest and others who make it case-by-case.

Correct being misaligned will make college recruiting much harder. To address there are two options. Play up with your grade or get held back a year in school. Either way you'll align grade in school with level played in club. Most rational people in this situation will choose to play on the correct grade team.

Why go through all the challenges of being an oddball. Just play your kid on a correct grade team from a young age. When it matters they'll be used to playing at the grade level college coaches are looking for.

That doesn't mean you always need to play with your grade though. Especially for girls when they are 14 or 15 they can realign to play with their grade. They will be done growing at that point and the RAE effect is much much less than it is when they are Ulittle ages.

Thats a lot of extra effort just to use rae to justify playing on a grade down on an A team. You dont think these type of players wont piss off correct grade parents? You dont think these type of players wont become a problem for 8th grade teams when they're playing HS soccer for 3 months during the season? You think correct grade teams will welcome a less developed player from a lower grade team?

Switching teams isn't extra effort, it is often what is required as kids get older to put them in position to play in college regardless of being misaligned or not. Others parents are always pissed, nobody cares, welcome to travel. If you are positioning you kid to keep other parent happy, you are parenting wrong. Players aren't welcomed to new teams, they just show up. Thinking a team is some kind of democracy is your problem, it doesn't work that way.

You are completely selfish and wrong. Coaches / Clubs will filter out parents like you after a couple of seasons. Seen it happen multiple times. Unless your kid is a unicorn which I doubt is the case since all you want to do is play down.

These parents aren't filtered out. They club hop and if they're kid is good enough, they've got them on the top MLSN/GA/ECNL teams. Those clubs cater to these parents, BTW, because they all are ruthless and play to win. By recruiting the best players and winning the most, they keep their college pipelines strong as well as the reputation.

I have seen the club hoppers come all the time. Clubs welcome them with open arms and have no problem pushing all the other kids on the team down a peg. You what the parents say? Nothing, because they know that's how sports works from rec to national teams.

Nope, every club hopper I've ever seen burns bridges everywhere they go. Over time they run out of clubs to play for and end up on the oddball loser team. Seen it hapoen multiple times. Add in that you dont think the rules apply to your kid and that you literally want to play down and its not going to be a happy ending. People see through you and college coachs will discount players playing down a grade. You're not going to sneak playing down a grade past them.

Who said anything about playing down? This is an attitude and a culture where aggressiveness both by the player and parent is rewarded by the top clubs. The kid has to be good, tho.

Its because in general players who's parents are looking to play down arent very good. If they were good playing up would be no problem. They're looking to play down because they can't compete with players their own grade.

Being the youngest isn't always easy. The new soccer rules will allow them a chance to be the oldest.

But Aug birthdays are still the same grade in school nothing changes. In a college coaches eyes you're just a weird sophmore thats playing at the freshman level.

Will they view an Arlington A player like that? I don't think so.

Does it matter what Arlington thinks?

College coaches will think you're a weird Sophmore playing down against Freshman.

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Anonymous wrote:As the oldest, August players have the highest chance to play in college under SY.

Except for any Aug players forced to play up because of grade. Then, they become the youngest. So stupid of an idea.

Not even close to the dumb idea of playing down a grade and thinking that college coaches wont notice.

The truth is being misaligned will make it harder just like it'll be harder if you are forced to play up. Both would be an extra hurdle to overcome. Not impossible in either case for the talented/hardest working but it would stymie many others in either situation. Interestingly, with how it's shaking out, we'll have clubs some clubs that go with grade and the oldest and others who make it case-by-case.

Correct being misaligned will make college recruiting much harder. To address there are two options. Play up with your grade or get held back a year in school. Either way you'll align grade in school with level played in club. Most rational people in this situation will choose to play on the correct grade team.

Why go through all the challenges of being an oddball. Just play your kid on a correct grade team from a young age. When it matters they'll be used to playing at the grade level college coaches are looking for.

That doesn't mean you always need to play with your grade though. Especially for girls when they are 14 or 15 they can realign to play with their grade. They will be done growing at that point and the RAE effect is much much less than it is when they are Ulittle ages.

Thats a lot of extra effort just to use rae to justify playing on a grade down on an A team. You dont think these type of players wont piss off correct grade parents? You dont think these type of players wont become a problem for 8th grade teams when they're playing HS soccer for 3 months during the season? You think correct grade teams will welcome a less developed player from a lower grade team?

Switching teams isn't extra effort, it is often what is required as kids get older to put them in position to play in college regardless of being misaligned or not. Others parents are always pissed, nobody cares, welcome to travel. If you are positioning you kid to keep other parent happy, you are parenting wrong. Players aren't welcomed to new teams, they just show up. Thinking a team is some kind of democracy is your problem, it doesn't work that way.

You are completely selfish and wrong. Coaches / Clubs will filter out parents like you after a couple of seasons. Seen it happen multiple times. Unless your kid is a unicorn which I doubt is the case since all you want to do is play down.

These parents aren't filtered out. They club hop and if they're kid is good enough, they've got them on the top MLSN/GA/ECNL teams. Those clubs cater to these parents, BTW, because they all are ruthless and play to win. By recruiting the best players and winning the most, they keep their college pipelines strong as well as the reputation.

I have seen the club hoppers come all the time. Clubs welcome them with open arms and have no problem pushing all the other kids on the team down a peg. You what the parents say? Nothing, because they know that's how sports works from rec to national teams.

Nope, every club hopper I've ever seen burns bridges everywhere they go. Over time they run out of clubs to play for and end up on the oddball loser team. Seen it hapoen multiple times. Add in that you dont think the rules apply to your kid and that you literally want to play down and its not going to be a happy ending. People see through you and college coachs will discount players playing down a grade. You're not going to sneak playing down a grade past them.

Who said anything about playing down? This is an attitude and a culture where aggressiveness both by the player and parent is rewarded by the top clubs. The kid has to be good, tho.

Its because in general players who's parents are looking to play down arent very good. If they were good playing up would be no problem. They're looking to play down because they can't compete with players their own grade.

Your perspective is off. Parents aren't looking to play down. Clubs have leagues play kids on age. Big difference.

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Anonymous wrote:As the oldest, August players have the highest chance to play in college under SY.

Except for any Aug players forced to play up because of grade. Then, they become the youngest. So stupid of an idea.

Not even close to the dumb idea of playing down a grade and thinking that college coaches wont notice.

The truth is being misaligned will make it harder just like it'll be harder if you are forced to play up. Both would be an extra hurdle to overcome. Not impossible in either case for the talented/hardest working but it would stymie many others in either situation. Interestingly, with how it's shaking out, we'll have clubs some clubs that go with grade and the oldest and others who make it case-by-case.

Correct being misaligned will make college recruiting much harder. To address there are two options. Play up with your grade or get held back a year in school. Either way you'll align grade in school with level played in club. Most rational people in this situation will choose to play on the correct grade team.

Why go through all the challenges of being an oddball. Just play your kid on a correct grade team from a young age. When it matters they'll be used to playing at the grade level college coaches are looking for.

That doesn't mean you always need to play with your grade though. Especially for girls when they are 14 or 15 they can realign to play with their grade. They will be done growing at that point and the RAE effect is much much less than it is when they are Ulittle ages.

Thats a lot of extra effort just to use rae to justify playing on a grade down on an A team. You dont think these type of players wont piss off correct grade parents? You dont think these type of players wont become a problem for 8th grade teams when they're playing HS soccer for 3 months during the season? You think correct grade teams will welcome a less developed player from a lower grade team?

Switching teams isn't extra effort, it is often what is required as kids get older to put them in position to play in college regardless of being misaligned or not. Others parents are always pissed, nobody cares, welcome to travel. If you are positioning you kid to keep other parent happy, you are parenting wrong. Players aren't welcomed to new teams, they just show up. Thinking a team is some kind of democracy is your problem, it doesn't work that way.

You are completely selfish and wrong. Coaches / Clubs will filter out parents like you after a couple of seasons. Seen it happen multiple times. Unless your kid is a unicorn which I doubt is the case since all you want to do is play down.

These parents aren't filtered out. They club hop and if they're kid is good enough, they've got them on the top MLSN/GA/ECNL teams. Those clubs cater to these parents, BTW, because they all are ruthless and play to win. By recruiting the best players and winning the most, they keep their college pipelines strong as well as the reputation.

I have seen the club hoppers come all the time. Clubs welcome them with open arms and have no problem pushing all the other kids on the team down a peg. You what the parents say? Nothing, because they know that's how sports works from rec to national teams.

Nope, every club hopper I've ever seen burns bridges everywhere they go. Over time they run out of clubs to play for and end up on the oddball loser team. Seen it hapoen multiple times. Add in that you dont think the rules apply to your kid and that you literally want to play down and its not going to be a happy ending. People see through you and college coachs will discount players playing down a grade. You're not going to sneak playing down a grade past them.

Who said anything about playing down? This is an attitude and a culture where aggressiveness both by the player and parent is rewarded by the top clubs. The kid has to be good, tho.

Its because in general players who's parents are looking to play down arent very good. If they were good playing up would be no problem. They're looking to play down because they can't compete with players their own grade.

Your perspective is off. Parents aren't looking to play down. Clubs have leagues play kids on age. Big difference.

My perspective is the best way for players to get recruited to play in college. Your perspective might be the best way to win 7v7 plastic trophies.

Its best to plan for the future now because it becomes more and more difficult to make a change when players get older.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone just recap for me what this one posted is so upset about? What's his deal?

Aug poster is trying to create a scenario where his September daughter doesn't have to compete with an August girl currently an age group up (he mentioned he has a September girl who is around U14/15 and a younger July girl around say U10/U11 and his hating on August kids makes it clear that an August girl would replace his Sept girl under SY). Because the August girl went to school on time, she will be misaligned Sy with her age group and school grade.

The Aug poster spent months on this forum trying to convince leagues to go grade year with his they must create SY+30 or 60, meaning SY but the kids around the cutoff must play on grade instead of age. It didn't work.

His basic ruse is that kids misaligning with age group and grade will somehow be blocked from playing in college. Teams and college coaches said it doesn't matter, they will take the best fit regardless. And he can't explain how foreign kids get recruited or gap years or how colleges recruit now with age groups across two grades, etc.

Then he put his hope on teams forcing kids to play on grade while the leagues are trying to dissuade from playing up and don't recognize grades. Almost all of teams said that playing up was skill based and said grade really don't matter but a few were going to try to replicate grades. So this was a dead end for him also but he was kicking and screaming saying that August kids must be allowed to play up if they went to school on time.

Then he went on a campaign saying leagues have to have guidance to clubs to force August kids to play up when they already said the opposite.

Finally, he is trying to convince August born kids misaligned with age group and grade that playing up is the smart thing to do. He is mad now because he can't explain away how the oldest in an age group is most likely to play in college vs the youngest while the youngest in an age group is most likely to quit early. Essentially central tenets of the relative age effect. So to scare August kids to play up he has to pretend the relative age effect doesn't exist and kids can't ever ever ever play soccer in college if they didn't play on grade in club soccer. When people point out that citations saying college coaches don't care about your you age group and the impact of the relative age effect, he gets angry. Doesn't provide evidence refuting, he just gets angry and rewrites his misguided biased opinion to helicopter a rule to save his daughter at the expense of others.

He's also convinced he's saving Aug-Sep parents from what he views is bad advice on this forum -- that's his stated justification where he also projects his behavior, calling others who challenge him trolls who sit on the thread, when he is truth is most the prolific poster present on any thread even somewhat related when it comes to this topic.

Yes, he has hijacked DCUM soccer. Jeff S. had some funny end of year things to say about DCIM soccer

If the August poster is Carlsbad7 from Socal and matching his comment that a small, outside the city team in NJ ECRL was close to his situation, then a reasonable guess would be that his daughter is in a local ECRL team in southern Ca. No idea why he would be non stop posting in a local forum for the DC area. Bat crap crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:As the oldest, August players have the highest chance to play in college under SY.

Except for any Aug players forced to play up because of grade. Then, they become the youngest. So stupid of an idea.

Not even close to the dumb idea of playing down a grade and thinking that college coaches wont notice.

The truth is being misaligned will make it harder just like it'll be harder if you are forced to play up. Both would be an extra hurdle to overcome. Not impossible in either case for the talented/hardest working but it would stymie many others in either situation. Interestingly, with how it's shaking out, we'll have clubs some clubs that go with grade and the oldest and others who make it case-by-case.

Correct being misaligned will make college recruiting much harder. To address there are two options. Play up with your grade or get held back a year in school. Either way you'll align grade in school with level played in club. Most rational people in this situation will choose to play on the correct grade team.

Why go through all the challenges of being an oddball. Just play your kid on a correct grade team from a young age. When it matters they'll be used to playing at the grade level college coaches are looking for.

That doesn't mean you always need to play with your grade though. Especially for girls when they are 14 or 15 they can realign to play with their grade. They will be done growing at that point and the RAE effect is much much less than it is when they are Ulittle ages.

Thats a lot of extra effort just to use rae to justify playing on a grade down on an A team. You dont think these type of players wont piss off correct grade parents? You dont think these type of players wont become a problem for 8th grade teams when they're playing HS soccer for 3 months during the season? You think correct grade teams will welcome a less developed player from a lower grade team?

Switching teams isn't extra effort, it is often what is required as kids get older to put them in position to play in college regardless of being misaligned or not. Others parents are always pissed, nobody cares, welcome to travel. If you are positioning you kid to keep other parent happy, you are parenting wrong. Players aren't welcomed to new teams, they just show up. Thinking a team is some kind of democracy is your problem, it doesn't work that way.

You are completely selfish and wrong. Coaches / Clubs will filter out parents like you after a couple of seasons. Seen it happen multiple times. Unless your kid is a unicorn which I doubt is the case since all you want to do is play down.

These parents aren't filtered out. They club hop and if they're kid is good enough, they've got them on the top MLSN/GA/ECNL teams. Those clubs cater to these parents, BTW, because they all are ruthless and play to win. By recruiting the best players and winning the most, they keep their college pipelines strong as well as the reputation.

I have seen the club hoppers come all the time. Clubs welcome them with open arms and have no problem pushing all the other kids on the team down a peg. You what the parents say? Nothing, because they know that's how sports works from rec to national teams.

Nope, every club hopper I've ever seen burns bridges everywhere they go. Over time they run out of clubs to play for and end up on the oddball loser team. Seen it hapoen multiple times. Add in that you dont think the rules apply to your kid and that you literally want to play down and its not going to be a happy ending. People see through you and college coachs will discount players playing down a grade. You're not going to sneak playing down a grade past them.

Who said anything about playing down? This is an attitude and a culture where aggressiveness both by the player and parent is rewarded by the top clubs. The kid has to be good, tho.

Its because in general players who's parents are looking to play down arent very good. If they were good playing up would be no problem. They're looking to play down because they can't compete with players their own grade.

Being the youngest isn't always easy. The new soccer rules will allow them a chance to be the oldest.

Making the conscious choice to be the youngest at a big soccer club would be a huge, unnecessary risk.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone just recap for me what this one posted is so upset about? What's his deal?

Aug poster is trying to create a scenario where his September daughter doesn't have to compete with an August girl currently an age group up (he mentioned he has a September girl who is around U14/15 and a younger July girl around say U10/U11 and his hating on August kids makes it clear that an August girl would replace his Sept girl under SY). Because the August girl went to school on time, she will be misaligned Sy with her age group and school grade.

The Aug poster spent months on this forum trying to convince leagues to go grade year with his they must create SY+30 or 60, meaning SY but the kids around the cutoff must play on grade instead of age. It didn't work.

His basic ruse is that kids misaligning with age group and grade will somehow be blocked from playing in college. Teams and college coaches said it doesn't matter, they will take the best fit regardless. And he can't explain how foreign kids get recruited or gap years or how colleges recruit now with age groups across two grades, etc.

Then he put his hope on teams forcing kids to play on grade while the leagues are trying to dissuade from playing up and don't recognize grades. Almost all of teams said that playing up was skill based and said grade really don't matter but a few were going to try to replicate grades. So this was a dead end for him also but he was kicking and screaming saying that August kids must be allowed to play up if they went to school on time.

Then he went on a campaign saying leagues have to have guidance to clubs to force August kids to play up when they already said the opposite.

Finally, he is trying to convince August born kids misaligned with age group and grade that playing up is the smart thing to do. He is mad now because he can't explain away how the oldest in an age group is most likely to play in college vs the youngest while the youngest in an age group is most likely to quit early. Essentially central tenets of the relative age effect. So to scare August kids to play up he has to pretend the relative age effect doesn't exist and kids can't ever ever ever play soccer in college if they didn't play on grade in club soccer. When people point out that citations saying college coaches don't care about your you age group and the impact of the relative age effect, he gets angry. Doesn't provide evidence refuting, he just gets angry and rewrites his misguided biased opinion to helicopter a rule to save his daughter at the expense of others.

He's also convinced he's saving Aug-Sep parents from what he views is bad advice on this forum -- that's his stated justification where he also projects his behavior, calling others who challenge him trolls who sit on the thread, when he is truth is most the prolific poster present on any thread even somewhat related when it comes to this topic.

Yes, he has hijacked DCUM soccer. Jeff S. had some funny end of year things to say about DCIM soccer

If the August poster is Carlsbad7 from Socal and matching his comment that a small, outside the city team in NJ ECRL was close to his situation, then a reasonable guess would be that his daughter is in a local ECRL team in southern Ca. No idea why he would be non stop posting in a local forum for the DC area. Bat crap crazy.

Wow its like a triple trifecta strawman.

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Anonymous wrote:Great paper. Worth reading.

Chaos Caused by Different Cutoff Dates: Relative Age Effects and Redshirting in Collegiate Volleyball in the United States... https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4663/13/2/53#sports-13-00053-t001

"No matter the confusion caused by the numerous cutoff dates for school in the United States, RAEs are prevalent in men and women’s volleyball when accounting for the school cutoff and athletic timing."

My main take away is combining boys and girls sports in evaluations doesn't work because they are too different to evaluate together or even say in the same breath. It makes intuitive sense. Thanks for the cite.

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Anonymous wrote:As the oldest, August players have the highest chance to play in college under SY.

Except for any Aug players forced to play up because of grade. Then, they become the youngest. So stupid of an idea.

Not even close to the dumb idea of playing down a grade and thinking that college coaches wont notice.

The truth is being misaligned will make it harder just like it'll be harder if you are forced to play up. Both would be an extra hurdle to overcome. Not impossible in either case for the talented/hardest working but it would stymie many others in either situation. Interestingly, with how it's shaking out, we'll have clubs some clubs that go with grade and the oldest and others who make it case-by-case.

Correct being misaligned will make college recruiting much harder. To address there are two options. Play up with your grade or get held back a year in school. Either way you'll align grade in school with level played in club. Most rational people in this situation will choose to play on the correct grade team.

Why go through all the challenges of being an oddball. Just play your kid on a correct grade team from a young age. When it matters they'll be used to playing at the grade level college coaches are looking for.

That doesn't mean you always need to play with your grade though. Especially for girls when they are 14 or 15 they can realign to play with their grade. They will be done growing at that point and the RAE effect is much much less than it is when they are Ulittle ages.

Thats a lot of extra effort just to use rae to justify playing on a grade down on an A team. You dont think these type of players wont piss off correct grade parents? You dont think these type of players wont become a problem for 8th grade teams when they're playing HS soccer for 3 months during the season? You think correct grade teams will welcome a less developed player from a lower grade team?

Switching teams isn't extra effort, it is often what is required as kids get older to put them in position to play in college regardless of being misaligned or not. Others parents are always pissed, nobody cares, welcome to travel. If you are positioning you kid to keep other parent happy, you are parenting wrong. Players aren't welcomed to new teams, they just show up. Thinking a team is some kind of democracy is your problem, it doesn't work that way.

You are completely selfish and wrong. Coaches / Clubs will filter out parents like you after a couple of seasons. Seen it happen multiple times. Unless your kid is a unicorn which I doubt is the case since all you want to do is play down.

These parents aren't filtered out. They club hop and if they're kid is good enough, they've got them on the top MLSN/GA/ECNL teams. Those clubs cater to these parents, BTW, because they all are ruthless and play to win. By recruiting the best players and winning the most, they keep their college pipelines strong as well as the reputation.

I have seen the club hoppers come all the time. Clubs welcome them with open arms and have no problem pushing all the other kids on the team down a peg. You what the parents say? Nothing, because they know that's how sports works from rec to national teams.

Nope, every club hopper I've ever seen burns bridges everywhere they go. Over time they run out of clubs to play for and end up on the oddball loser team. Seen it hapoen multiple times. Add in that you dont think the rules apply to your kid and that you literally want to play down and its not going to be a happy ending. People see through you and college coachs will discount players playing down a grade. You're not going to sneak playing down a grade past them.

Who said anything about playing down? This is an attitude and a culture where aggressiveness both by the player and parent is rewarded by the top clubs. The kid has to be good, tho.

Its because in general players who's parents are looking to play down arent very good. If they were good playing up would be no problem. They're looking to play down because they can't compete with players their own grade.

Being the youngest isn't always easy. The new soccer rules will allow them a chance to be the oldest.

But Aug birthdays are still the same grade in school nothing changes. In a college coaches eyes you're just a weird sophmore thats playing at the freshman level.

College coaches take weird all the time. And don't care about your age group, said Eastside. Many value being different.

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Anonymous wrote:As the oldest, August players have the highest chance to play in college under SY.

Except for any Aug players forced to play up because of grade. Then, they become the youngest. So stupid of an idea.

Not even close to the dumb idea of playing down a grade and thinking that college coaches wont notice.

The truth is being misaligned will make it harder just like it'll be harder if you are forced to play up. Both would be an extra hurdle to overcome. Not impossible in either case for the talented/hardest working but it would stymie many others in either situation. Interestingly, with how it's shaking out, we'll have clubs some clubs that go with grade and the oldest and others who make it case-by-case.

Correct being misaligned will make college recruiting much harder. To address there are two options. Play up with your grade or get held back a year in school. Either way you'll align grade in school with level played in club. Most rational people in this situation will choose to play on the correct grade team.

Why go through all the challenges of being an oddball. Just play your kid on a correct grade team from a young age. When it matters they'll be used to playing at the grade level college coaches are looking for.

That doesn't mean you always need to play with your grade though. Especially for girls when they are 14 or 15 they can realign to play with their grade. They will be done growing at that point and the RAE effect is much much less than it is when they are Ulittle ages.

Thats a lot of extra effort just to use rae to justify playing on a grade down on an A team. You dont think these type of players wont piss off correct grade parents? You dont think these type of players wont become a problem for 8th grade teams when they're playing HS soccer for 3 months during the season? You think correct grade teams will welcome a less developed player from a lower grade team?

Switching teams isn't extra effort, it is often what is required as kids get older to put them in position to play in college regardless of being misaligned or not. Others parents are always pissed, nobody cares, welcome to travel. If you are positioning you kid to keep other parent happy, you are parenting wrong. Players aren't welcomed to new teams, they just show up. Thinking a team is some kind of democracy is your problem, it doesn't work that way.

You are completely selfish and wrong. Coaches / Clubs will filter out parents like you after a couple of seasons. Seen it happen multiple times. Unless your kid is a unicorn which I doubt is the case since all you want to do is play down.

These parents aren't filtered out. They club hop and if they're kid is good enough, they've got them on the top MLSN/GA/ECNL teams. Those clubs cater to these parents, BTW, because they all are ruthless and play to win. By recruiting the best players and winning the most, they keep their college pipelines strong as well as the reputation.

I have seen the club hoppers come all the time. Clubs welcome them with open arms and have no problem pushing all the other kids on the team down a peg. You what the parents say? Nothing, because they know that's how sports works from rec to national teams.

Nope, every club hopper I've ever seen burns bridges everywhere they go. Over time they run out of clubs to play for and end up on the oddball loser team. Seen it hapoen multiple times. Add in that you dont think the rules apply to your kid and that you literally want to play down and its not going to be a happy ending. People see through you and college coachs will discount players playing down a grade. You're not going to sneak playing down a grade past them.

Who said anything about playing down? This is an attitude and a culture where aggressiveness both by the player and parent is rewarded by the top clubs. The kid has to be good, tho.

Its because in general players who's parents are looking to play down arent very good. If they were good playing up would be no problem. They're looking to play down because they can't compete with players their own grade.

Being the youngest isn't always easy. The new soccer rules will allow them a chance to be the oldest.

Making the conscious choice to be the youngest at a big soccer club would be a huge, unnecessary risk.

I agree its a tough call.

The sooner Aug players get used to playing up with their correct grade the better off they'll be when it comes time for college recruiting.

Or hold them back in school and align the level they're playing in club with their grade in school that way.

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Anonymous wrote:As the oldest, August players have the highest chance to play in college under SY.

Except for any Aug players forced to play up because of grade. Then, they become the youngest. So stupid of an idea.

Not even close to the dumb idea of playing down a grade and thinking that college coaches wont notice.

The truth is being misaligned will make it harder just like it'll be harder if you are forced to play up. Both would be an extra hurdle to overcome. Not impossible in either case for the talented/hardest working but it would stymie many others in either situation. Interestingly, with how it's shaking out, we'll have clubs some clubs that go with grade and the oldest and others who make it case-by-case.

Correct being misaligned will make college recruiting much harder. To address there are two options. Play up with your grade or get held back a year in school. Either way you'll align grade in school with level played in club. Most rational people in this situation will choose to play on the correct grade team.

Why go through all the challenges of being an oddball. Just play your kid on a correct grade team from a young age. When it matters they'll be used to playing at the grade level college coaches are looking for.

That doesn't mean you always need to play with your grade though. Especially for girls when they are 14 or 15 they can realign to play with their grade. They will be done growing at that point and the RAE effect is much much less than it is when they are Ulittle ages.

Thats a lot of extra effort just to use rae to justify playing on a grade down on an A team. You dont think these type of players wont piss off correct grade parents? You dont think these type of players wont become a problem for 8th grade teams when they're playing HS soccer for 3 months during the season? You think correct grade teams will welcome a less developed player from a lower grade team?

Switching teams isn't extra effort, it is often what is required as kids get older to put them in position to play in college regardless of being misaligned or not. Others parents are always pissed, nobody cares, welcome to travel. If you are positioning you kid to keep other parent happy, you are parenting wrong. Players aren't welcomed to new teams, they just show up. Thinking a team is some kind of democracy is your problem, it doesn't work that way.

You are completely selfish and wrong. Coaches / Clubs will filter out parents like you after a couple of seasons. Seen it happen multiple times. Unless your kid is a unicorn which I doubt is the case since all you want to do is play down.

These parents aren't filtered out. They club hop and if they're kid is good enough, they've got them on the top MLSN/GA/ECNL teams. Those clubs cater to these parents, BTW, because they all are ruthless and play to win. By recruiting the best players and winning the most, they keep their college pipelines strong as well as the reputation.

I have seen the club hoppers come all the time. Clubs welcome them with open arms and have no problem pushing all the other kids on the team down a peg. You what the parents say? Nothing, because they know that's how sports works from rec to national teams.

Nope, every club hopper I've ever seen burns bridges everywhere they go. Over time they run out of clubs to play for and end up on the oddball loser team. Seen it hapoen multiple times. Add in that you dont think the rules apply to your kid and that you literally want to play down and its not going to be a happy ending. People see through you and college coachs will discount players playing down a grade. You're not going to sneak playing down a grade past them.

Who said anything about playing down? This is an attitude and a culture where aggressiveness both by the player and parent is rewarded by the top clubs. The kid has to be good, tho.

Its because in general players who's parents are looking to play down arent very good. If they were good playing up would be no problem. They're looking to play down because they can't compete with players their own grade.

Your perspective is off. Parents aren't looking to play down. Clubs have leagues play kids on age. Big difference.

My perspective is the best way for players to get recruited to play in college. Your perspective might be the best way to win 7v7 plastic trophies.

Its best to plan for the future now because it becomes more and more difficult to make a change when players get older.

Becomes easier and easier to switch age groups beyond the bill of puberty. And Eastside and college coaches said no need.

Kids not winning plastic trophies or not getting the praise quit and take up video games and get out of shape.

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Anonymous wrote:As the oldest, August players have the highest chance to play in college under SY.

Except for any Aug players forced to play up because of grade. Then, they become the youngest. So stupid of an idea.

Not even close to the dumb idea of playing down a grade and thinking that college coaches wont notice.

The truth is being misaligned will make it harder just like it'll be harder if you are forced to play up. Both would be an extra hurdle to overcome. Not impossible in either case for the talented/hardest working but it would stymie many others in either situation. Interestingly, with how it's shaking out, we'll have clubs some clubs that go with grade and the oldest and others who make it case-by-case.

Correct being misaligned will make college recruiting much harder. To address there are two options. Play up with your grade or get held back a year in school. Either way you'll align grade in school with level played in club. Most rational people in this situation will choose to play on the correct grade team.

Why go through all the challenges of being an oddball. Just play your kid on a correct grade team from a young age. When it matters they'll be used to playing at the grade level college coaches are looking for.

That doesn't mean you always need to play with your grade though. Especially for girls when they are 14 or 15 they can realign to play with their grade. They will be done growing at that point and the RAE effect is much much less than it is when they are Ulittle ages.

Thats a lot of extra effort just to use rae to justify playing on a grade down on an A team. You dont think these type of players wont piss off correct grade parents? You dont think these type of players wont become a problem for 8th grade teams when they're playing HS soccer for 3 months during the season? You think correct grade teams will welcome a less developed player from a lower grade team?

Switching teams isn't extra effort, it is often what is required as kids get older to put them in position to play in college regardless of being misaligned or not. Others parents are always pissed, nobody cares, welcome to travel. If you are positioning you kid to keep other parent happy, you are parenting wrong. Players aren't welcomed to new teams, they just show up. Thinking a team is some kind of democracy is your problem, it doesn't work that way.

You are completely selfish and wrong. Coaches / Clubs will filter out parents like you after a couple of seasons. Seen it happen multiple times. Unless your kid is a unicorn which I doubt is the case since all you want to do is play down.

These parents aren't filtered out. They club hop and if they're kid is good enough, they've got them on the top MLSN/GA/ECNL teams. Those clubs cater to these parents, BTW, because they all are ruthless and play to win. By recruiting the best players and winning the most, they keep their college pipelines strong as well as the reputation.

I have seen the club hoppers come all the time. Clubs welcome them with open arms and have no problem pushing all the other kids on the team down a peg. You what the parents say? Nothing, because they know that's how sports works from rec to national teams.

Nope, every club hopper I've ever seen burns bridges everywhere they go. Over time they run out of clubs to play for and end up on the oddball loser team. Seen it hapoen multiple times. Add in that you dont think the rules apply to your kid and that you literally want to play down and its not going to be a happy ending. People see through you and college coachs will discount players playing down a grade. You're not going to sneak playing down a grade past them.

Who said anything about playing down? This is an attitude and a culture where aggressiveness both by the player and parent is rewarded by the top clubs. The kid has to be good, tho.

Its because in general players who's parents are looking to play down arent very good. If they were good playing up would be no problem. They're looking to play down because they can't compete with players their own grade.

Being the youngest isn't always easy. The new soccer rules will allow them a chance to be the oldest.

But Aug birthdays are still the same grade in school nothing changes. In a college coaches eyes you're just a weird sophmore thats playing at the freshman level.

College coaches take weird all the time. And don't care about your age group, said Eastside. Many value being different.

Top D1 colleges offering full rides do not take weird.

D3 expensive 90k per year private colleges take weird all day long.

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Anonymous wrote:As the oldest, August players have the highest chance to play in college under SY.

Except for any Aug players forced to play up because of grade. Then, they become the youngest. So stupid of an idea.

Not even close to the dumb idea of playing down a grade and thinking that college coaches wont notice.

The truth is being misaligned will make it harder just like it'll be harder if you are forced to play up. Both would be an extra hurdle to overcome. Not impossible in either case for the talented/hardest working but it would stymie many others in either situation. Interestingly, with how it's shaking out, we'll have clubs some clubs that go with grade and the oldest and others who make it case-by-case.

Correct being misaligned will make college recruiting much harder. To address there are two options. Play up with your grade or get held back a year in school. Either way you'll align grade in school with level played in club. Most rational people in this situation will choose to play on the correct grade team.

Why go through all the challenges of being an oddball. Just play your kid on a correct grade team from a young age. When it matters they'll be used to playing at the grade level college coaches are looking for.

That doesn't mean you always need to play with your grade though. Especially for girls when they are 14 or 15 they can realign to play with their grade. They will be done growing at that point and the RAE effect is much much less than it is when they are Ulittle ages.

Thats a lot of extra effort just to use rae to justify playing on a grade down on an A team. You dont think these type of players wont piss off correct grade parents? You dont think these type of players wont become a problem for 8th grade teams when they're playing HS soccer for 3 months during the season? You think correct grade teams will welcome a less developed player from a lower grade team?

Switching teams isn't extra effort, it is often what is required as kids get older to put them in position to play in college regardless of being misaligned or not. Others parents are always pissed, nobody cares, welcome to travel. If you are positioning you kid to keep other parent happy, you are parenting wrong. Players aren't welcomed to new teams, they just show up. Thinking a team is some kind of democracy is your problem, it doesn't work that way.

You are completely selfish and wrong. Coaches / Clubs will filter out parents like you after a couple of seasons. Seen it happen multiple times. Unless your kid is a unicorn which I doubt is the case since all you want to do is play down.

These parents aren't filtered out. They club hop and if they're kid is good enough, they've got them on the top MLSN/GA/ECNL teams. Those clubs cater to these parents, BTW, because they all are ruthless and play to win. By recruiting the best players and winning the most, they keep their college pipelines strong as well as the reputation.

I have seen the club hoppers come all the time. Clubs welcome them with open arms and have no problem pushing all the other kids on the team down a peg. You what the parents say? Nothing, because they know that's how sports works from rec to national teams.

Nope, every club hopper I've ever seen burns bridges everywhere they go. Over time they run out of clubs to play for and end up on the oddball loser team. Seen it hapoen multiple times. Add in that you dont think the rules apply to your kid and that you literally want to play down and its not going to be a happy ending. People see through you and college coachs will discount players playing down a grade. You're not going to sneak playing down a grade past them.

Who said anything about playing down? This is an attitude and a culture where aggressiveness both by the player and parent is rewarded by the top clubs. The kid has to be good, tho.

Its because in general players who's parents are looking to play down arent very good. If they were good playing up would be no problem. They're looking to play down because they can't compete with players their own grade.

Your perspective is off. Parents aren't looking to play down. Clubs have leagues play kids on age. Big difference.

My perspective is the best way for players to get recruited to play in college. Your perspective might be the best way to win 7v7 plastic trophies.

Its best to plan for the future now because it becomes more and more difficult to make a change when players get older.

Becomes easier and easier to switch age groups beyond the bill of puberty. And Eastside and college coaches said no need.

Kids not winning plastic trophies or not getting the praise quit and take up video games and get out of shape.

Completely untrue as players get older top teams become more solidified. Good luck breaking in past u15.

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Anonymous wrote:As the oldest, August players have the highest chance to play in college under SY.

Except for any Aug players forced to play up because of grade. Then, they become the youngest. So stupid of an idea.

Not even close to the dumb idea of playing down a grade and thinking that college coaches wont notice.

The truth is being misaligned will make it harder just like it'll be harder if you are forced to play up. Both would be an extra hurdle to overcome. Not impossible in either case for the talented/hardest working but it would stymie many others in either situation. Interestingly, with how it's shaking out, we'll have clubs some clubs that go with grade and the oldest and others who make it case-by-case.

Correct being misaligned will make college recruiting much harder. To address there are two options. Play up with your grade or get held back a year in school. Either way you'll align grade in school with level played in club. Most rational people in this situation will choose to play on the correct grade team.

Why go through all the challenges of being an oddball. Just play your kid on a correct grade team from a young age. When it matters they'll be used to playing at the grade level college coaches are looking for.

That doesn't mean you always need to play with your grade though. Especially for girls when they are 14 or 15 they can realign to play with their grade. They will be done growing at that point and the RAE effect is much much less than it is when they are Ulittle ages.

Thats a lot of extra effort just to use rae to justify playing on a grade down on an A team. You dont think these type of players wont piss off correct grade parents? You dont think these type of players wont become a problem for 8th grade teams when they're playing HS soccer for 3 months during the season? You think correct grade teams will welcome a less developed player from a lower grade team?

Switching teams isn't extra effort, it is often what is required as kids get older to put them in position to play in college regardless of being misaligned or not. Others parents are always pissed, nobody cares, welcome to travel. If you are positioning you kid to keep other parent happy, you are parenting wrong. Players aren't welcomed to new teams, they just show up. Thinking a team is some kind of democracy is your problem, it doesn't work that way.

You are completely selfish and wrong. Coaches / Clubs will filter out parents like you after a couple of seasons. Seen it happen multiple times. Unless your kid is a unicorn which I doubt is the case since all you want to do is play down.

These parents aren't filtered out. They club hop and if they're kid is good enough, they've got them on the top MLSN/GA/ECNL teams. Those clubs cater to these parents, BTW, because they all are ruthless and play to win. By recruiting the best players and winning the most, they keep their college pipelines strong as well as the reputation.

I have seen the club hoppers come all the time. Clubs welcome them with open arms and have no problem pushing all the other kids on the team down a peg. You what the parents say? Nothing, because they know that's how sports works from rec to national teams.

Nope, every club hopper I've ever seen burns bridges everywhere they go. Over time they run out of clubs to play for and end up on the oddball loser team. Seen it hapoen multiple times. Add in that you dont think the rules apply to your kid and that you literally want to play down and its not going to be a happy ending. People see through you and college coachs will discount players playing down a grade. You're not going to sneak playing down a grade past them.

Who said anything about playing down? This is an attitude and a culture where aggressiveness both by the player and parent is rewarded by the top clubs. The kid has to be good, tho.

Its because in general players who's parents are looking to play down arent very good. If they were good playing up would be no problem. They're looking to play down because they can't compete with players their own grade.

Being the youngest isn't always easy. The new soccer rules will allow them a chance to be the oldest.

Making the conscious choice to be the youngest at a big soccer club would be a huge, unnecessary risk.

I agree its a tough call.

The sooner Aug players get used to playing up with their correct grade the better off they'll be when it comes time for college recruiting.

Or hold them back in school and align the level they're playing in club with their grade in school that way.

Eastside and college coaches said misaligned doesn't matter. But switching age groups or teams beyond say age 14 isn't that big of a deal and rosters at the better teams flip over so much anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:As the oldest, August players have the highest chance to play in college under SY.

Except for any Aug players forced to play up because of grade. Then, they become the youngest. So stupid of an idea.

Not even close to the dumb idea of playing down a grade and thinking that college coaches wont notice.

The truth is being misaligned will make it harder just like it'll be harder if you are forced to play up. Both would be an extra hurdle to overcome. Not impossible in either case for the talented/hardest working but it would stymie many others in either situation. Interestingly, with how it's shaking out, we'll have clubs some clubs that go with grade and the oldest and others who make it case-by-case.

Correct being misaligned will make college recruiting much harder. To address there are two options. Play up with your grade or get held back a year in school. Either way you'll align grade in school with level played in club. Most rational people in this situation will choose to play on the correct grade team.

Why go through all the challenges of being an oddball. Just play your kid on a correct grade team from a young age. When it matters they'll be used to playing at the grade level college coaches are looking for.

That doesn't mean you always need to play with your grade though. Especially for girls when they are 14 or 15 they can realign to play with their grade. They will be done growing at that point and the RAE effect is much much less than it is when they are Ulittle ages.

Thats a lot of extra effort just to use rae to justify playing on a grade down on an A team. You dont think these type of players wont piss off correct grade parents? You dont think these type of players wont become a problem for 8th grade teams when they're playing HS soccer for 3 months during the season? You think correct grade teams will welcome a less developed player from a lower grade team?

Switching teams isn't extra effort, it is often what is required as kids get older to put them in position to play in college regardless of being misaligned or not. Others parents are always pissed, nobody cares, welcome to travel. If you are positioning you kid to keep other parent happy, you are parenting wrong. Players aren't welcomed to new teams, they just show up. Thinking a team is some kind of democracy is your problem, it doesn't work that way.

You are completely selfish and wrong. Coaches / Clubs will filter out parents like you after a couple of seasons. Seen it happen multiple times. Unless your kid is a unicorn which I doubt is the case since all you want to do is play down.

These parents aren't filtered out. They club hop and if they're kid is good enough, they've got them on the top MLSN/GA/ECNL teams. Those clubs cater to these parents, BTW, because they all are ruthless and play to win. By recruiting the best players and winning the most, they keep their college pipelines strong as well as the reputation.

I have seen the club hoppers come all the time. Clubs welcome them with open arms and have no problem pushing all the other kids on the team down a peg. You what the parents say? Nothing, because they know that's how sports works from rec to national teams.

Nope, every club hopper I've ever seen burns bridges everywhere they go. Over time they run out of clubs to play for and end up on the oddball loser team. Seen it hapoen multiple times. Add in that you dont think the rules apply to your kid and that you literally want to play down and its not going to be a happy ending. People see through you and college coachs will discount players playing down a grade. You're not going to sneak playing down a grade past them.

Who said anything about playing down? This is an attitude and a culture where aggressiveness both by the player and parent is rewarded by the top clubs. The kid has to be good, tho.

Its because in general players who's parents are looking to play down arent very good. If they were good playing up would be no problem. They're looking to play down because they can't compete with players their own grade.

Your perspective is off. Parents aren't looking to play down. Clubs have leagues play kids on age. Big difference.

My perspective is the best way for players to get recruited to play in college. Your perspective might be the best way to win 7v7 plastic trophies.

Its best to plan for the future now because it becomes more and more difficult to make a change when players get older.

Becomes easier and easier to switch age groups beyond the bill of puberty. And Eastside and college coaches said no need.

Kids not winning plastic trophies or not getting the praise quit and take up video games and get out of shape.

Completely untrue as players get older top teams become more solidified. Good luck breaking in past u15.

At the small local teams sure, at big top teams, heck no.