FCPS HS Boundary

[Anonymous]

Here's the crux of the issue. Fairfax County is a HCOL area. Most people choose to live here when they have the financial means to do so. For every silver spoon Langley poster humble bragging about wealth there are 100 Fairfax homeowners who live modestly so they can raise their kids in FCPS.

Introduce a population that does not have a financial means to live in a HCOL, but chooses to do so anyway. They have other options, but choose Fairfax. And their population's academic performance collectively weighs down the Fairfax public education system as we are seeing today.

The municipal government adds fuel to the fire by instituting policies that encourage this population to move to Fairfax at a rate that exceeds almost all other US metropolitan areas. At the same time the national government policies incentivize trying to illegally cross the southern border. You now have large impoverished populations looking for a home and Fairfax welcomes them with open arms.

This same concept applies for anyone else- white, black, asian, hispanic, that chooses to live in a HCOL area without the adequate means and without being forced to. Bottom line is Fairfax homeowners being affected by boundary changes are unhappy that the catalyst is a poor population that they do not believe should not have resided in the county to begin with.

This married-to-an-immigrant-person is standing by to be called a xenophobe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.

Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.

Why not help “poor schools”?

You’d have to ask the thousands of parents who repeatedly make that decision. Year after year, decade after decade.

My own middle class, (from working class grandparents) left a city and the poor schools that were attending as very small kids because they decided they’d be da—-d if they sent us to public schools there and they didn’t have the money for private.

As an adult I met someone who went through that system and when I heard her experience I was grateful all over again that my parents moved us several states away to an area with extended family and good public schools.

How do you feel about the kids left behind?

What does this mean? They have a school and their parents and families seem happy with their choices.

I think PP is suggesting that my parents should have kept us in a poorly performing, sometimes violent school district. For the greater good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's the crux of the issue. Fairfax County is a HCOL area. Most people choose to live here when they have the financial means to do so. For every silver spoon Langley poster humble bragging about wealth there are 100 Fairfax homeowners who live modestly so they can raise their kids in FCPS.

Introduce a population that does not have a financial means to live in a HCOL, but chooses to do so anyway. They have other options, but choose Fairfax. And their population's academic performance collectively weighs down the Fairfax public education system as we are seeing today.

The municipal government adds fuel to the fire by instituting policies that encourage this population to move to Fairfax at a rate that exceeds almost all other US metropolitan areas. At the same time the national government policies incentivize trying to illegally cross the southern border. You now have large impoverished populations looking for a home and Fairfax welcomes them with open arms.

This same concept applies for anyone else- white, black, asian, hispanic, that chooses to live in a HCOL area without the adequate means and without being forced to. Bottom line is Fairfax homeowners being affected by boundary changes are unhappy that the catalyst is a poor population that they do not believe should not have resided in the county to begin with.

This married-to-an-immigrant-person is standing by to be called a xenophobe.

Do you have a cite for this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the crux of the issue. Fairfax County is a HCOL area. Most people choose to live here when they have the financial means to do so. For every silver spoon Langley poster humble bragging about wealth there are 100 Fairfax homeowners who live modestly so they can raise their kids in FCPS.

Introduce a population that does not have a financial means to live in a HCOL, but chooses to do so anyway. They have other options, but choose Fairfax. And their population's academic performance collectively weighs down the Fairfax public education system as we are seeing today.

The municipal government adds fuel to the fire by instituting policies that encourage this population to move to Fairfax at a rate that exceeds almost all other US metropolitan areas. At the same time the national government policies incentivize trying to illegally cross the southern border. You now have large impoverished populations looking for a home and Fairfax welcomes them with open arms.

This same concept applies for anyone else- white, black, asian, hispanic, that chooses to live in a HCOL area without the adequate means and without being forced to. Bottom line is Fairfax homeowners being affected by boundary changes are unhappy that the catalyst is a poor population that they do not believe should not have resided in the county to begin with.

This married-to-an-immigrant-person is standing by to be called a xenophobe.

Do you have a cite for this?[/quote
Herndon is a sanctuary city. Not sure if that’s what the previous poster was referencing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.

Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.

Why not help “poor schools”?

Moving kids from higher performing schools as pawns shouldn’t be the plan go fix under performing schools. FCPS should work to fix drop out rates, chronic absenteeism, disciplinary actions. Not just move good students to skew numbers. The school board acknowledged that kids might not have access to programming, clubs, sports, equipment, etc when they first move. For a junior in high school this is unacceptable. Honestly who would want to move here with this going on

What are you doing to help? What will your contribution to the new school be?

Many will contribute quite a bit to their new school when they switch from FCPS to private school after they are rezoned

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the crux of the issue. Fairfax County is a HCOL area. Most people choose to live here when they have the financial means to do so. For every silver spoon Langley poster humble bragging about wealth there are 100 Fairfax homeowners who live modestly so they can raise their kids in FCPS.

Introduce a population that does not have a financial means to live in a HCOL, but chooses to do so anyway. They have other options, but choose Fairfax. And their population's academic performance collectively weighs down the Fairfax public education system as we are seeing today.

The municipal government adds fuel to the fire by instituting policies that encourage this population to move to Fairfax at a rate that exceeds almost all other US metropolitan areas. At the same time the national government policies incentivize trying to illegally cross the southern border. You now have large impoverished populations looking for a home and Fairfax welcomes them with open arms.

This same concept applies for anyone else- white, black, asian, hispanic, that chooses to live in a HCOL area without the adequate means and without being forced to. Bottom line is Fairfax homeowners being affected by boundary changes are unhappy that the catalyst is a poor population that they do not believe should not have resided in the county to begin with.

This married-to-an-immigrant-person is standing by to be called a xenophobe.

Do you have a cite for this?[/quote
Herndon is a sanctuary city. Not sure if that’s what the previous poster was referencing

Do you have evidence that Herndon is officially a sanctuary city?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the crux of the issue. Fairfax County is a HCOL area. Most people choose to live here when they have the financial means to do so. For every silver spoon Langley poster humble bragging about wealth there are 100 Fairfax homeowners who live modestly so they can raise their kids in FCPS.

Introduce a population that does not have a financial means to live in a HCOL, but chooses to do so anyway. They have other options, but choose Fairfax. And their population's academic performance collectively weighs down the Fairfax public education system as we are seeing today.

The municipal government adds fuel to the fire by instituting policies that encourage this population to move to Fairfax at a rate that exceeds almost all other US metropolitan areas. At the same time the national government policies incentivize trying to illegally cross the southern border. You now have large impoverished populations looking for a home and Fairfax welcomes them with open arms.

This same concept applies for anyone else- white, black, asian, hispanic, that chooses to live in a HCOL area without the adequate means and without being forced to. Bottom line is Fairfax homeowners being affected by boundary changes are unhappy that the catalyst is a poor population that they do not believe should not have resided in the county to begin with.

This married-to-an-immigrant-person is standing by to be called a xenophobe.

Do you have a cite for this?

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/fairfax-county-votes-to-approve-budget-for-legal-fund-for-illegal-immigrants-fighting-deportation

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the crux of the issue. Fairfax County is a HCOL area. Most people choose to live here when they have the financial means to do so. For every silver spoon Langley poster humble bragging about wealth there are 100 Fairfax homeowners who live modestly so they can raise their kids in FCPS.

Introduce a population that does not have a financial means to live in a HCOL, but chooses to do so anyway. They have other options, but choose Fairfax. And their population's academic performance collectively weighs down the Fairfax public education system as we are seeing today.

The municipal government adds fuel to the fire by instituting policies that encourage this population to move to Fairfax at a rate that exceeds almost all other US metropolitan areas. At the same time the national government policies incentivize trying to illegally cross the southern border. You now have large impoverished populations looking for a home and Fairfax welcomes them with open arms.

This same concept applies for anyone else- white, black, asian, hispanic, that chooses to live in a HCOL area without the adequate means and without being forced to. Bottom line is Fairfax homeowners being affected by boundary changes are unhappy that the catalyst is a poor population that they do not believe should not have resided in the county to begin with.

This married-to-an-immigrant-person is standing by to be called a xenophobe.

Do you have a cite for this?

https://cis.org/Map-Sanctuary-Cities-Counties-and-States

Fairfax county: as of 2018 will not honor ICE detainer

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the crux of the issue. Fairfax County is a HCOL area. Most people choose to live here when they have the financial means to do so. For every silver spoon Langley poster humble bragging about wealth there are 100 Fairfax homeowners who live modestly so they can raise their kids in FCPS.

Introduce a population that does not have a financial means to live in a HCOL, but chooses to do so anyway. They have other options, but choose Fairfax. And their population's academic performance collectively weighs down the Fairfax public education system as we are seeing today.

The municipal government adds fuel to the fire by instituting policies that encourage this population to move to Fairfax at a rate that exceeds almost all other US metropolitan areas. At the same time the national government policies incentivize trying to illegally cross the southern border. You now have large impoverished populations looking for a home and Fairfax welcomes them with open arms.

This same concept applies for anyone else- white, black, asian, hispanic, that chooses to live in a HCOL area without the adequate means and without being forced to. Bottom line is Fairfax homeowners being affected by boundary changes are unhappy that the catalyst is a poor population that they do not believe should not have resided in the county to begin with.

This married-to-an-immigrant-person is standing by to be called a xenophobe.

Do you have a cite for this?

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/topics/node?node=&page=1#:~:text=The%20Board%20of%20Supervisors%20passed,of%20federal%20civil%20immigration%20laws.

[Anonymous]

Not arguing the merit or for/against the content in the links, but they show municipal policies that could encourage illegal immigrants to reside in Fairfax county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.

Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.

Why not help “poor schools”?

Moving kids from higher performing schools as pawns shouldn’t be the plan go fix under performing schools. FCPS should work to fix drop out rates, chronic absenteeism, disciplinary actions. Not just move good students to skew numbers. The school board acknowledged that kids might not have access to programming, clubs, sports, equipment, etc when they first move. For a junior in high school this is unacceptable. Honestly who would want to move here with this going on

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kids move in HS and they go onto college, many go on to excellent colleges. They can write their essay about the hardship of moving as a Junior and having to develop new relationships and how that helped them to grow as a person and a leader. It is great essay material for their applications.

Untkl you become the kid who only has 2 years of german at one school, and 2 years of spanish at another, with no leadersip opportunities since you moved junior year.

That kid can kiss half of their college choices goodbye on the language issue alone. Ask me how I know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.

Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.

Why not help “poor schools”?

Moving kids from higher performing schools as pawns shouldn’t be the plan go fix under performing schools. FCPS should work to fix drop out rates, chronic absenteeism, disciplinary actions. Not just move good students to skew numbers. The school board acknowledged that kids might not have access to programming, clubs, sports, equipment, etc when they first move. For a junior in high school this is unacceptable. Honestly who would want to move here with this going on

What are you doing to help? What will your contribution to the new school be?

Many will contribute quite a bit to their new school when they switch from FCPS to private school after they are rezoned

You’re unwilling to contribute to those less fortunate? You might not want to mention that when applying to private.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kids move in HS and they go onto college, many go on to excellent colleges. They can write their essay about the hardship of moving as a Junior and having to develop new relationships and how that helped them to grow as a person and a leader. It is great essay material for their applications.

Untkl you become the kid who only has 2 years of german at one school, and 2 years of spanish at another, with no leadersip opportunities since you moved junior year.

That kid can kiss half of their college choices goodbye on the language issue alone. Ask me how I know.

Kids change schools all the time due to family moves and still get in college

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Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.

That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …

This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.

Such as??

Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.

The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.

I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.

As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.

I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!

That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.

I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.

This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.

Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.

+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.

These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.

You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.

I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.

Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.

That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.

Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.

I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.

Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.

What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.

I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.

Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.

How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?

DP and this is exactly what happened to some neighborhoods 15 years ago. The GS scores took a hit, the FRM rate increased sharply, and a bunch of families fought like hell to get their children into AAP or sent them to private schools after second grade when it became apparent that 20-30% of the class was two or three grade levels behind. I live in one of these neighborhoods and roughly 1/3 of the elementary kids are not at the neighborhood school. Most younger families didn't move at the time because they would've been upside down on their mortgages. The neighborhood has turned over more slowly than surrounding neighborhoods that didn't get redistricted.

The kids who are on grade level or above but not far enough to make AAP get ignored because everyone is in triage mode trying to keep the wheels from falling off. There are fewer after school clubs, fewer academic enrichment opportunities, and the classes are taught to the bottom. These kids aren't going to fail out of school because their parents will cover the slack in most cases but they're in no way getting the same education as a kid who goes to a school where most of the class is on grade level. The School Board knows it too.