FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.

Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.

Lots of code language there.

Who are “people”? What are “poor schools” as opposed to, say, schools with more low-income kids than Langley? What are “these kinds of schools” and “schools like the city”?

It's quite simple: people who pay a premium to live in a HCOL area with good schools don't want their children going to school with FARMS students who are low achievers and negatively impact the school they attend.

People = people who buy a SFH in Fairfax county
Poor Schools = Schools with >30% FARMS
These kinds of schools = see "Poor Schools"
Schools like the city = see "Poor Schools"

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Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.

Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.

Why not help “poor schools”?

You’d have to ask the thousands of parents who repeatedly make that decision. Year after year, decade after decade.

My own middle class, (from working class grandparents) left a city and the poor schools that were attending as very small kids because they decided they’d be da—-d if they sent us to public schools there and they didn’t have the money for private.

As an adult I met someone who went through that system and when I heard her experience I was grateful all over again that my parents moved us several states away to an area with extended family and good public schools.

How do you feel about the kids left behind?

All the kids in the school system from the 80s until today?

Sure. Do you care? At all?

Sure.

What’s your point?

Are you doing anything to help?

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Anonymous wrote:Stop importing poverty. The root cause.

+100 Fairfax county created a systemic problem through its policies over the years, and is now passing the buck to its non-poor citizens.

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Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.

That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …

This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.

Such as??

Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.

The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.

I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.

As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.

I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!

That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.

I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.

This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.

Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.

+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.

These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.

You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.

I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.

Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.

That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.

Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.

I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.

Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.

What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.

I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.

There have been years not too long ago where the highest price appreciation in the county was in the Lee (now Franconia) District. But, sure, every FCPS decision should be made with a view towards protecting property values in Great Falls…

You shout like a madwoman on this board, and people just quietly go about behind the scenes making sure they aren’t impacted.

At the end of the day, you will never be happy, because those UMC families that you desperately, oh so desperately, seek to soak to Make Herndon Great Again, just ain’t interested and have the means not to care. Sure you’ll catch a few families with redistricting, but everyone I know has already moved on or is prepping to.

DP. Good riddance

Then why bother to redistrict in the first place? You’re just playing a game of swap the LMC/MC families.

Oh that’s right, we’re just trying to bring everyone down to the LCD.

Are you triggered?

I’m pissed for sure, but only about the loss of my community. Funny thing is I don’t even care about the financial hit that much, and as you already know my kids aren’t going to be going to school with yours.

Question for you. You just won. Why come on here and troll others who just lost? Is it because for you, the real win is dragging other people down? Think about that one for a bit.

The right decision was made for public education. Enjoy private.

I really wouldn’t start gloating about “the right decisions” until you see maps. It might not be as much of a big change for equity!!!!11 as you’re expecting. Especially if the focus really is on cleaning up split feeders and attendance islands at the ES level.

For the record, if those changes come to pass there will be an equity component but it will likely be in the MV/WP area which has some very sketchy boundaries. But I don’t see anyone talking about that on here.

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Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.

Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.

Why not help “poor schools”?

You’d have to ask the thousands of parents who repeatedly make that decision. Year after year, decade after decade.

My own middle class, (from working class grandparents) left a city and the poor schools that were attending as very small kids because they decided they’d be da—-d if they sent us to public schools there and they didn’t have the money for private.

As an adult I met someone who went through that system and when I heard her experience I was grateful all over again that my parents moved us several states away to an area with extended family and good public schools.

How do you feel about the kids left behind?

All the kids in the school system from the 80s until today?

Sure. Do you care? At all?

DP yes I care. I care so much I have taught low income kids for 20+ years. I still don’t think it is fair to move my high school sophomore in the idle of his high school career. I would say the same of one of the kids I taught was told to move. It is just not fair and flies in the face of everything the board says about cocoas emotional growth mental health and the importance of connections. The hypocrisy of the majority of the school board members makes me disbelieve and mistrust them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.

Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.

Lots of code language there.

Who are “people”? What are “poor schools” as opposed to, say, schools with more low-income kids than Langley? What are “these kinds of schools” and “schools like the city”?

It's quite simple: people who pay a premium to live in a HCOL area with good schools don't want their children going to school with FARMS students who are low achievers and negatively impact the school they attend.

People = people who buy a SFH in Fairfax county
Poor Schools = Schools with >30% FARMS
These kinds of schools = see "Poor Schools"
Schools like the city = see "Poor Schools"

What is a “good” school? More code language in your attempt to disguise code language?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.

Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.

Lots of code language there.

Who are “people”? What are “poor schools” as opposed to, say, schools with more low-income kids than Langley? What are “these kinds of schools” and “schools like the city”?

Nope. No code. Just poor. People don’t send their kids to poor schools in Appalachia if they can help it or in the Midwest.

What are you doing to ensure Fairfax doesn’t have “poor schools” like Appalachia or the Midwest?

Voting for democrats at the federal, state and local levels to make sure we bring in more poor people.

We may have poor schools but they won’t be like the ones in Appalachia, the Midwest or southern Virginia.

This is Fairfax.
Duh.

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Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.

Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.

Lots of code language there.

Who are “people”? What are “poor schools” as opposed to, say, schools with more low-income kids than Langley? What are “these kinds of schools” and “schools like the city”?

It's quite simple: people who pay a premium to live in a HCOL area with good schools don't want their children going to school with FARMS students who are low achievers and negatively impact the school they attend.

People = people who buy a SFH in Fairfax county
Poor Schools = Schools with >30% FARMS
These kinds of schools = see "Poor Schools"
Schools like the city = see "Poor Schools"

What is a “good” school? More code language in your attempt to disguise code language?

Good school = School that ranks within top 50 in Virginia per US News and World Report

maybe this only includes schools with <20% FARMS, I don't know. I am further winding you up in hopes you research this and come back to us with a reply or counterpoint.

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Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.

Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.

Lots of code language there.

Who are “people”? What are “poor schools” as opposed to, say, schools with more low-income kids than Langley? What are “these kinds of schools” and “schools like the city”?

It's quite simple: people who pay a premium to live in a HCOL area with good schools don't want their children going to school with FARMS students who are low achievers and negatively impact the school they attend.

People = people who buy a SFH in Fairfax county
Poor Schools = Schools with >30% FARMS
These kinds of schools = see "Poor Schools"
Schools like the city = see "Poor Schools"

What is a “good” school? More code language in your attempt to disguise code language?

Good school = School that ranks within top 50 in Virginia per US News and World Report

maybe this only includes schools with <20% FARMS, I don't know. I am further winding you up in hopes you research this and come back to us with a reply or counterpoint.

What’s in the ranking that matters?

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Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.

That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …

This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.

Such as??

Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.

The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.

I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.

As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.

I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!

That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.

I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.

This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.

Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.

+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.

These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.

You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.

I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.

Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.

That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.

Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.

I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.

Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.

What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.

I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.

There have been years not too long ago where the highest price appreciation in the county was in the Lee (now Franconia) District. But, sure, every FCPS decision should be made with a view towards protecting property values in Great Falls…

You shout like a madwoman on this board, and people just quietly go about behind the scenes making sure they aren’t impacted.

At the end of the day, you will never be happy, because those UMC families that you desperately, oh so desperately, seek to soak to Make Herndon Great Again, just ain’t interested and have the means not to care. Sure you’ll catch a few families with redistricting, but everyone I know has already moved on or is prepping to.

DP. Good riddance

Then why bother to redistrict in the first place? You’re just playing a game of swap the LMC/MC families.

Oh that’s right, we’re just trying to bring everyone down to the LCD.

Are you triggered?

I’m pissed for sure, but only about the loss of my community. Funny thing is I don’t even care about the financial hit that much, and as you already know my kids aren’t going to be going to school with yours.

Question for you. You just won. Why come on here and troll others who just lost? Is it because for you, the real win is dragging other people down? Think about that one for a bit.

DP

Firstly, a little trolling and gloating is fun and to be expected considering how long (yeeeeeaaars) people on this board have been bit-cha-ching about Langley and Great Falls supposedly controlling the school board.

Secondly. Petty is a thing I can appreciate but no one can really celebrate until they see the new boundaries.

People do realize this isn’t just great falls and Langley right? Chantilly was brought up several times last night. I know some think they are safe because Centreville is due for an expansion but they aren’t going to wait 6 years for that to be done if they complete it to original capacity. I think there will be a lot more changes than many expect to happen

Well no one should be mad. Even Great Falls, which isn’t even Republican anymore.
They along with most of the county voted for Democrats and should be happy that they are doing Democrat things.

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Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.

Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.

Why not help “poor schools”?

You’d have to ask the thousands of parents who repeatedly make that decision. Year after year, decade after decade.

My own middle class, (from working class grandparents) left a city and the poor schools that were attending as very small kids because they decided they’d be da—-d if they sent us to public schools there and they didn’t have the money for private.

As an adult I met someone who went through that system and when I heard her experience I was grateful all over again that my parents moved us several states away to an area with extended family and good public schools.

How do you feel about the kids left behind?

All the kids in the school system from the 80s until today?

Sure. Do you care? At all?

Sure.

What’s your point?

Are you doing anything to help?

Sponsoring a little cousin or two for enrichment.
I have enough working class relatives I can and have helped directly. I don’t need to donate to foundations, and I know exactly where my money is going.

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Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.

Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.

Why not help “poor schools”?

You’d have to ask the thousands of parents who repeatedly make that decision. Year after year, decade after decade.

My own middle class, (from working class grandparents) left a city and the poor schools that were attending as very small kids because they decided they’d be da—-d if they sent us to public schools there and they didn’t have the money for private.

As an adult I met someone who went through that system and when I heard her experience I was grateful all over again that my parents moved us several states away to an area with extended family and good public schools.

How do you feel about the kids left behind?

What does this mean? They have a school and their parents and families seem happy with their choices.

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Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.

That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …

This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.

Such as??

Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.

The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.

I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.

As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.

I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!

That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.

I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.

This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.

Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.

+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.

These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.

You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.

I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.

Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.

That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.

Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.

I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.

Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.

What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.

I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.

There have been years not too long ago where the highest price appreciation in the county was in the Lee (now Franconia) District. But, sure, every FCPS decision should be made with a view towards protecting property values in Great Falls…

You shout like a madwoman on this board, and people just quietly go about behind the scenes making sure they aren’t impacted.

At the end of the day, you will never be happy, because those UMC families that you desperately, oh so desperately, seek to soak to Make Herndon Great Again, just ain’t interested and have the means not to care. Sure you’ll catch a few families with redistricting, but everyone I know has already moved on or is prepping to.

DP. Good riddance

Then why bother to redistrict in the first place? You’re just playing a game of swap the LMC/MC families.

Oh that’s right, we’re just trying to bring everyone down to the LCD.

Are you triggered?

I’m pissed for sure, but only about the loss of my community. Funny thing is I don’t even care about the financial hit that much, and as you already know my kids aren’t going to be going to school with yours.

Question for you. You just won. Why come on here and troll others who just lost? Is it because for you, the real win is dragging other people down? Think about that one for a bit.

DP

Firstly, a little trolling and gloating is fun and to be expected considering how long (yeeeeeaaars) people on this board have been bit-cha-ching about Langley and Great Falls supposedly controlling the school board.

Secondly. Petty is a thing I can appreciate but no one can really celebrate until they see the new boundaries.

The prior Dranesville rep on the SB was a shill for Langley. She’s gone, so their influence has waned, which is one reason they are so agitated now.

As for pettiness, if you look at where the growth is occurring in Fairfax compared to where FCPS is spending its capital resources it starts to look inevitable that part of Great Falls will need to move to Herndon. They could be gracious about it (like a Woodson-zoned community that supported a move to Falls Church years ago) but their instinct is to fight instead.

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Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.

Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.

Why not help “poor schools”?

You’d have to ask the thousands of parents who repeatedly make that decision. Year after year, decade after decade.

My own middle class, (from working class grandparents) left a city and the poor schools that were attending as very small kids because they decided they’d be da—-d if they sent us to public schools there and they didn’t have the money for private.

As an adult I met someone who went through that system and when I heard her experience I was grateful all over again that my parents moved us several states away to an area with extended family and good public schools.

How do you feel about the kids left behind?

What does this mean? They have a school and their parents and families seem happy with their choices.

How do you know poor people are happy? Would you be happy if your kid went to a “poor school”?

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Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.

That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …

This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.

Such as??

Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.

The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.

I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.

As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.

I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!

That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.

I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.

This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.

Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.

+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.

These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.

You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.

I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.

Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.

That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.

Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.

I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.

Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.

What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.

I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.

There have been years not too long ago where the highest price appreciation in the county was in the Lee (now Franconia) District. But, sure, every FCPS decision should be made with a view towards protecting property values in Great Falls…

You shout like a madwoman on this board, and people just quietly go about behind the scenes making sure they aren’t impacted.

At the end of the day, you will never be happy, because those UMC families that you desperately, oh so desperately, seek to soak to Make Herndon Great Again, just ain’t interested and have the means not to care. Sure you’ll catch a few families with redistricting, but everyone I know has already moved on or is prepping to.

DP. Good riddance

Then why bother to redistrict in the first place? You’re just playing a game of swap the LMC/MC families.

Oh that’s right, we’re just trying to bring everyone down to the LCD.

Are you triggered?

I’m pissed for sure, but only about the loss of my community. Funny thing is I don’t even care about the financial hit that much, and as you already know my kids aren’t going to be going to school with yours.

Question for you. You just won. Why come on here and troll others who just lost? Is it because for you, the real win is dragging other people down? Think about that one for a bit.

DP

Firstly, a little trolling and gloating is fun and to be expected considering how long (yeeeeeaaars) people on this board have been bit-cha-ching about Langley and Great Falls supposedly controlling the school board.

Secondly. Petty is a thing I can appreciate but no one can really celebrate until they see the new boundaries.

The prior Dranesville rep on the SB was a shill for Langley. She’s gone, so their influence has waned, which is one reason they are so agitated now.

As for pettiness, if you look at where the growth is occurring in Fairfax compared to where FCPS is spending its capital resources it starts to look inevitable that part of Great Falls will need to move to Herndon. They could be gracious about it (like a Woodson-zoned community that supported a move to Falls Church years ago) but their instinct is to fight instead.

Of course. The entire community is zoned to one high school, and that high school is high performing by several measures.
The school board has not provided any clarity as to how they arrived at the wildly different capacity projections in the latest CIP. That doesn’t exactly inspire trust that the school board is making decisions based on capacity and in good faith.
Who wants to leave a good situation without good reason?

Eventually, though, they will come to the conclusion that undesirable and likely unnecessary boundary changes will not be stopped. They’ll give up fighting and will turn their energies and money towards private and making their co-op the envy of homeschoolers across the country.
I’m interested to see how reading and math goes. They’ll be free to use tried and true methods rather than whatever educational fad is sweeping public schools.
Those alpha moms will be all over it, researching the benefits of taking notes by hand on recall and the best ways to develop both fine and gross motor skills.
Also.
The demand could make a local private or two expand or spin off campuses.
Sometimes change is fun!🤩