FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of new housing being built in Herndon and along route 28 near dulles and towards Centreville-so all those houses are accounted for in the projections?


They should be in the projections if the developer had broken ground as of the effective date of the projections. Much of the new housing in Herndon is zoned to Westfield, not Herndon.


This has been hashed out before. Don’t lie. If you want to advocate for boundary changes, whatever, but no need to pretend there aren’t thousands of homes planned for Herndon High pyramid. That’s just dishonest.

The developments that PP is describing near Dulles along Route 28 are in the Coates boundaries zoned for Westfield.


Some more are in Chantilly, near target and ec lawrence park and by the wegmans. Not sure what ES that would be.
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of new housing being built in Herndon and along route 28 near dulles and towards Centreville-so all those houses are accounted for in the projections?


They should be in the projections if the developer had broken ground as of the effective date of the projections. Much of the new housing in Herndon is zoned to Westfield, not Herndon.


This has been hashed out before. Don’t lie. If you want to advocate for boundary changes, whatever, but no need to pretend there aren’t thousands of homes planned for Herndon High pyramid. That’s just dishonest.


Nothing in the post suggests they are including planned housing developments in their projections if a developer has not broken ground. We all know they are not.

It is verifiable that much of the housing planned near the new Silver Line stations is south of the Herndon boundary and zoned to Westfield.

Try to stay rational.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What is the timeline for the maps to be released?


Anyone know the answer to this and can provide a link? It sounds like this is done deal?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of new housing being built in Herndon and along route 28 near dulles and towards Centreville-so all those houses are accounted for in the projections?


They should be in the projections if the developer had broken ground as of the effective date of the projections. Much of the new housing in Herndon is zoned to Westfield, not Herndon.


This has been hashed out before. Don’t lie. If you want to advocate for boundary changes, whatever, but no need to pretend there aren’t thousands of homes planned for Herndon High pyramid. That’s just dishonest.


Nothing in the post suggests they are including planned housing developments in their projections if a developer has not broken ground. We all know they are not.

It is verifiable that much of the housing planned near the new Silver Line stations is south of the Herndon boundary and zoned to Westfield.

Try to stay rational.


Classic Gatehouse. Ignore developments and end up with bad projections.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Didn't Mclean just have a renovation?
no
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of new housing being built in Herndon and along route 28 near dulles and towards Centreville-so all those houses are accounted for in the projections?


They should be in the projections if the developer had broken ground as of the effective date of the projections. Much of the new housing in Herndon is zoned to Westfield, not Herndon.


This has been hashed out before. Don’t lie. If you want to advocate for boundary changes, whatever, but no need to pretend there aren’t thousands of homes planned for Herndon High pyramid. That’s just dishonest.


Nothing in the post suggests they are including planned housing developments in their projections if a developer has not broken ground. We all know they are not.

It is verifiable that much of the housing planned near the new Silver Line stations is south of the Herndon boundary and zoned to Westfield.

Try to stay rational.

I think the bigger question is why Westfield is expected to decline in enrollment despite all the developments that are currently under construction. Coates is exploding. Where do they think these students will go if not Carson onto Westfield?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is the timeline for the maps to be released?


Anyone know the answer to this and can provide a link? It sounds like this is done deal?
nothing has been decided or even proposed
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of new housing being built in Herndon and along route 28 near dulles and towards Centreville-so all those houses are accounted for in the projections?


They should be in the projections if the developer had broken ground as of the effective date of the projections. Much of the new housing in Herndon is zoned to Westfield, not Herndon.


This has been hashed out before. Don’t lie. If you want to advocate for boundary changes, whatever, but no need to pretend there aren’t thousands of homes planned for Herndon High pyramid. That’s just dishonest.


Nothing in the post suggests they are including planned housing developments in their projections if a developer has not broken ground. We all know they are not.

It is verifiable that much of the housing planned near the new Silver Line stations is south of the Herndon boundary and zoned to Westfield.

Try to stay rational.


Classic Gatehouse. Ignore developments and end up with bad projections.


Do you agree they should pay more attention to past development that has already led to overcrowding and to projects where a developer has already broken ground than to potential development that may or may not occur? Yes or no, please.

I think you are the poster who keeps saying they should include potential development with some type of discount or haircut, but it seems to be a rhetorical ploy to suggest no one can ever be moved out of Langley until they’ve changed their projection methodologies in ways that no one really expects them to do.

And, of course, if they really did what you’re urging, which they won’t any time soon, it could end up increasing the forecasts for Tysons (Marshall and McLean) even more than Herndon, and then they might be even more inclined to move parts of Great Falls to Herndon, and sooner. Be careful what you ask for.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is the timeline for the maps to be released?


Anyone know the answer to this and can provide a link? It sounds like this is done deal?
nothing has been decided or even proposed


This is not correct. There are three different versions of possible maps.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is the timeline for the maps to be released?


Anyone know the answer to this and can provide a link? It sounds like this is done deal?
nothing has been decided or even proposed


This is not correct. There are three different versions of possible maps.
link?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of new housing being built in Herndon and along route 28 near dulles and towards Centreville-so all those houses are accounted for in the projections?


They should be in the projections if the developer had broken ground as of the effective date of the projections. Much of the new housing in Herndon is zoned to Westfield, not Herndon.


This has been hashed out before. Don’t lie. If you want to advocate for boundary changes, whatever, but no need to pretend there aren’t thousands of homes planned for Herndon High pyramid. That’s just dishonest.


Nothing in the post suggests they are including planned housing developments in their projections if a developer has not broken ground. We all know they are not.

It is verifiable that much of the housing planned near the new Silver Line stations is south of the Herndon boundary and zoned to Westfield.

Try to stay rational.


Classic Gatehouse. Ignore developments and end up with bad projections.


Do you agree they should pay more attention to past development that has already led to overcrowding and to projects where a developer has already broken ground than to potential development that may or may not occur? Yes or no, please.

I think you are the poster who keeps saying they should include potential development with some type of discount or haircut, but it seems to be a rhetorical ploy to suggest no one can ever be moved out of Langley until they’ve changed their projection methodologies in ways that no one really expects them to do.

And, of course, if they really did what you’re urging, which they won’t any time soon, it could end up increasing the forecasts for Tysons (Marshall and McLean) even more than Herndon, and then they might be even more inclined to move parts of Great Falls to Herndon, and sooner. Be careful what you ask for.


A development in Herndon broke ground in January. That development includes almost 500 residences. Do you know how many students were projected in the CIP for this development? Zero. Why? Because the way the CIP works now, the day before ground has been broken facilities projects ZERO students. The day that they break ground, it’s close to 100. A sixth grader could come up with a better model. And you understand this.

Why does it matter? The school board blindly relies on those projections for capital decisions. Negligent projections cause FCPS to misallocate hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayers’ money. This is a huge problem for everyone in the county.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of new housing being built in Herndon and along route 28 near dulles and towards Centreville-so all those houses are accounted for in the projections?


They should be in the projections if the developer had broken ground as of the effective date of the projections. Much of the new housing in Herndon is zoned to Westfield, not Herndon.


This has been hashed out before. Don’t lie. If you want to advocate for boundary changes, whatever, but no need to pretend there aren’t thousands of homes planned for Herndon High pyramid. That’s just dishonest.


Nothing in the post suggests they are including planned housing developments in their projections if a developer has not broken ground. We all know they are not.

It is verifiable that much of the housing planned near the new Silver Line stations is south of the Herndon boundary and zoned to Westfield.

Try to stay rational.


Classic Gatehouse. Ignore developments and end up with bad projections.


Do you agree they should pay more attention to past development that has already led to overcrowding and to projects where a developer has already broken ground than to potential development that may or may not occur? Yes or no, please.

I think you are the poster who keeps saying they should include potential development with some type of discount or haircut, but it seems to be a rhetorical ploy to suggest no one can ever be moved out of Langley until they’ve changed their projection methodologies in ways that no one really expects them to do.

And, of course, if they really did what you’re urging, which they won’t any time soon, it could end up increasing the forecasts for Tysons (Marshall and McLean) even more than Herndon, and then they might be even more inclined to move parts of Great Falls to Herndon, and sooner. Be careful what you ask for.


P.S. I demand accurate projections, without caveat.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of new housing being built in Herndon and along route 28 near dulles and towards Centreville-so all those houses are accounted for in the projections?


They should be in the projections if the developer had broken ground as of the effective date of the projections. Much of the new housing in Herndon is zoned to Westfield, not Herndon.


This has been hashed out before. Don’t lie. If you want to advocate for boundary changes, whatever, but no need to pretend there aren’t thousands of homes planned for Herndon High pyramid. That’s just dishonest.


Nothing in the post suggests they are including planned housing developments in their projections if a developer has not broken ground. We all know they are not.

It is verifiable that much of the housing planned near the new Silver Line stations is south of the Herndon boundary and zoned to Westfield.

Try to stay rational.


Classic Gatehouse. Ignore developments and end up with bad projections.


Do you agree they should pay more attention to past development that has already led to overcrowding and to projects where a developer has already broken ground than to potential development that may or may not occur? Yes or no, please.

I think you are the poster who keeps saying they should include potential development with some type of discount or haircut, but it seems to be a rhetorical ploy to suggest no one can ever be moved out of Langley until they’ve changed their projection methodologies in ways that no one really expects them to do.

And, of course, if they really did what you’re urging, which they won’t any time soon, it could end up increasing the forecasts for Tysons (Marshall and McLean) even more than Herndon, and then they might be even more inclined to move parts of Great Falls to Herndon, and sooner. Be careful what you ask for.


A development in Herndon broke ground in January. That development includes almost 500 residences. Do you know how many students were projected in the CIP for this development? Zero. Why? Because the way the CIP works now, the day before ground has been broken facilities projects ZERO students. The day that they break ground, it’s close to 100. A sixth grader could come up with a better model. And you understand this.

Why does it matter? The school board blindly relies on those projections for capital decisions. Negligent projections cause FCPS to misallocate hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayers’ money. This is a huge problem for everyone in the county.


You feel strongly about this, and I respect that, but one could also argue that Langley’s expansion in 2018 was a misallocation of taxpayer money since FCPS had no reason to think its enrollment was going to be much more than 2000 students and they built it out to 2370 seats anyway. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

You can “demand” more accurate projections. It won’t make any more difference than the McLean group recently recommending that they cancel or defer the Dunn Loring project. They’ll do what they want.

So then the question becomes, if we have to play in their sandbox, even if we personally think they ought to put this entire project on hold given the flat enrollment in FCPS and the macro uncertainties associated with DOGE, etc., what is that going to look like? And I would submit that, given their apparent obsession with “attendance islands,” they are going to look at the two McLean islands and the island at the Marshall feeder (Westbriar) and, depending on where they land, at least part of western Great Falls now at Langley could end up at Herndon.

It’s not the only scenario. They could move the Timber Lane part of McLean to Falls Church, bridge the Tysons attendance island so it links to the rest of McLean, and reassign part of Marshall to Madison. That could result in little or no impact on Langley (they may already be leaning towards reassigning the small pockets of Herndon and Reston zoned to Langley on the other side of Route 7 to Herndon, regardless of any other changes). But protecting Langley’s boundaries per se cannot be FCPS’s primary objective or starting point, even if it is yours.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is the timeline for the maps to be released?


Anyone know the answer to this and can provide a link? It sounds like this is done deal?
nothing has been decided or even proposed


This is not correct. There are three different versions of possible maps.


Where are the maps?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is the timeline for the maps to be released?


Anyone know the answer to this and can provide a link? It sounds like this is done deal?
nothing has been decided or even proposed


This is not correct. There are three different versions of possible maps.


Where are the maps?


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