FCPS comprehensive boundary review

[Anonymous]

Didn't Mclean just have a renovation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they move both the Tysons island at McLean and the Westbriar island at Marshall to Langley, it starts to get Langley up to an enrollment where it wouldn’t be crazy to move Forestville to Herndon. Don’t feel strongly about it. Even though McLean is above capacity now and Marshall would be but for the modular it’s not obvious to me anyone at those schools wants a boundary change.

So would they wait to move some Forestville kids to Herndon until Langley gets overcrowded, or should the be proactive?

Because they’re being informed by the 2026-30 CIP, which has Cooper at 103% and Langley at 96% in five years, there’s a chance they’d move parts of Forestville to Armstrong to make room for all of Spring Hill. They’d have to run the numbers without Langley transfers, but the Cooper capacity would be the driving factor.

Yikes. Bringing down enrollment at Cooper by overcrowding Herndon Middle is a pretty bad look.

It's squeezing a baloon, isn't it? They could end up in a situation where either Cooper or Herndon MS is going to be overcrowded and just decide that, as between the two, it might as well be Herndon MS if it's even marginally closer to the kids getting redistricted and it helps justify the big Herndon HS expansion.

Overcrowding the poorer performing school? Sure, why not.

Clown show.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Which high schools are the worst facilities-wise?

Lewis is pretty rough- all sorts of signs of structural issues (cracking walls, buckled tiles, leaky ceilings), and lots of folks have mysterious coughs/sneezing/irritation that only seems to happen when in the building. I felt sick half the time when I worked there and miraculously have been fine since leaving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they move both the Tysons island at McLean and the Westbriar island at Marshall to Langley, it starts to get Langley up to an enrollment where it wouldn’t be crazy to move Forestville to Herndon. Don’t feel strongly about it. Even though McLean is above capacity now and Marshall would be but for the modular it’s not obvious to me anyone at those schools wants a boundary change.

Interesting. The Westbriar homes are more expensive than many of the Forestville homes. Probably bringing the FARMs rate down at Langley. Also moving those kids from that pyramid unnecessarily.

Not saying they won’t do it (little the school board does is grounded in logic), but seems like they’d be stirring up yet another hornets nest, for no real benefit.

Westbriar island could either go to Colvin Run, Sunrise Valley, or Wolf Trap (which would keep it at Marshall.)

While all are possible, the island is much closer to Colvin Run and moving it to Wolftrap would overcrowd that school. If they propose to move it to Sunrise Valley, they'll get an earful about how the community doesn't consider itself part of Reston and is currently sandwiched between other areas off Route 7 in Vienna zoned to Langley (Colvin Forest to the west and Shouse Village to the east).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Didn't Mclean just have a renovation?

The schools got built in the 1950s (Annandale, McLean, Lewis, Madison, and Justice, in order of construction) last got "renovations" in 2005. Those renovations were cheap compared to the subsequent renovations of schools built in the 1960s and now 1970s, and left them with lingering structural problems that have never been properly addressed.

In 2017, the School Board approved additions to Madison and Justice, but not Annandale, McLean, or Lewis. The Madison addition has been completed, and the Justice addition has either been completed or is very close. Those additions expanded the capacity of each school to 2500 seats. The rest of Madison and Justice wasn't renovated, and Annandale and McLean currently have modulars and permanent capacities closer to 2000 than 2500 seats.

The overcrowding at McLean is more acute than the overcrowding at Annandale, and Lewis isn't overcrowded, so McLean has gotten more "spot money" in recent for minor repairs. One year they will work on the roof, the next year they replaced the bathrooms, and this past summer they put in some new flooring. None of this expands McLean's capacity, or deals with the larger structural issues, which is why, despite the prior work, there was still water dripping on the gym that forced a recent game with Marshall to get moved to Marshall. It's since been fixed, but those types of problems recur.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they move both the Tysons island at McLean and the Westbriar island at Marshall to Langley, it starts to get Langley up to an enrollment where it wouldn’t be crazy to move Forestville to Herndon. Don’t feel strongly about it. Even though McLean is above capacity now and Marshall would be but for the modular it’s not obvious to me anyone at those schools wants a boundary change.

Interesting. The Westbriar homes are more expensive than many of the Forestville homes. Probably bringing the FARMs rate down at Langley. Also moving those kids from that pyramid unnecessarily.

Not saying they won’t do it (little the school board does is grounded in logic), but seems like they’d be stirring up yet another hornets nest, for no real benefit.

Westbriar island could either go to Colvin Run, Sunrise Valley, or Wolf Trap (which would keep it at Marshall.)

While all are possible, the island is much closer to Colvin Run and moving it to Wolftrap would overcrowd that school. If they propose to move it to Sunrise Valley, they'll get an earful about how the community doesn't consider itself part of Reston and is currently sandwiched between other areas off Route 7 in Vienna zoned to Langley (Colvin Forest to the west and Shouse Village to the east).

Westbriar is at 86% capacity, so while they are prioritizing eliminating attendance islands, it’s hard to see them moving a large percentage out without a corresponding move of kids in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they move both the Tysons island at McLean and the Westbriar island at Marshall to Langley, it starts to get Langley up to an enrollment where it wouldn’t be crazy to move Forestville to Herndon. Don’t feel strongly about it. Even though McLean is above capacity now and Marshall would be but for the modular it’s not obvious to me anyone at those schools wants a boundary change.

Interesting. The Westbriar homes are more expensive than many of the Forestville homes. Probably bringing the FARMs rate down at Langley. Also moving those kids from that pyramid unnecessarily.

Not saying they won’t do it (little the school board does is grounded in logic), but seems like they’d be stirring up yet another hornets nest, for no real benefit.

Westbriar island could either go to Colvin Run, Sunrise Valley, or Wolf Trap (which would keep it at Marshall.)

While all are possible, the island is much closer to Colvin Run and moving it to Wolftrap would overcrowd that school. If they propose to move it to Sunrise Valley, they'll get an earful about how the community doesn't consider itself part of Reston and is currently sandwiched between other areas off Route 7 in Vienna zoned to Langley (Colvin Forest to the west and Shouse Village to the east).

Westbriar is at 86% capacity, so while they are prioritizing eliminating attendance islands, it’s hard to see them moving a large percentage out without a corresponding move of kids in.

A decent part of growing Tysons feeds into Westbriar and it’s a big school, so that probably wouldn’t be a big concern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they move both the Tysons island at McLean and the Westbriar island at Marshall to Langley, it starts to get Langley up to an enrollment where it wouldn’t be crazy to move Forestville to Herndon. Don’t feel strongly about it. Even though McLean is above capacity now and Marshall would be but for the modular it’s not obvious to me anyone at those schools wants a boundary change.

Interesting. The Westbriar homes are more expensive than many of the Forestville homes. Probably bringing the FARMs rate down at Langley. Also moving those kids from that pyramid unnecessarily.

Not saying they won’t do it (little the school board does is grounded in logic), but seems like they’d be stirring up yet another hornets nest, for no real benefit.

Westbriar island could either go to Colvin Run, Sunrise Valley, or Wolf Trap (which would keep it at Marshall.)

While all are possible, the island is much closer to Colvin Run and moving it to Wolftrap would overcrowd that school. If they propose to move it to Sunrise Valley, they'll get an earful about how the community doesn't consider itself part of Reston and is currently sandwiched between other areas off Route 7 in Vienna zoned to Langley (Colvin Forest to the west and Shouse Village to the east).

Westbriar is at 86% capacity, so while they are prioritizing eliminating attendance islands, it’s hard to see them moving a large percentage out without a corresponding move of kids in.

A decent part of growing Tysons feeds into Westbriar and it’s a big school, so that probably wouldn’t be a big concern.

People in support of changes:

1) We must ignore the development in Herndon because that thwarts our plans.

2) look at all the development in Tysons, we should be moving kids now proactively.

Westbriar is projected to be at 94% in 5 years, per the CIP that they just approved on Thursday. Again, moving a significant number of kids out without moving any others in, would drop that percentage by a lot and make no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they move both the Tysons island at McLean and the Westbriar island at Marshall to Langley, it starts to get Langley up to an enrollment where it wouldn’t be crazy to move Forestville to Herndon. Don’t feel strongly about it. Even though McLean is above capacity now and Marshall would be but for the modular it’s not obvious to me anyone at those schools wants a boundary change.

Interesting. The Westbriar homes are more expensive than many of the Forestville homes. Probably bringing the FARMs rate down at Langley. Also moving those kids from that pyramid unnecessarily.

Not saying they won’t do it (little the school board does is grounded in logic), but seems like they’d be stirring up yet another hornets nest, for no real benefit.

Westbriar island could either go to Colvin Run, Sunrise Valley, or Wolf Trap (which would keep it at Marshall.)

While all are possible, the island is much closer to Colvin Run and moving it to Wolftrap would overcrowd that school. If they propose to move it to Sunrise Valley, they'll get an earful about how the community doesn't consider itself part of Reston and is currently sandwiched between other areas off Route 7 in Vienna zoned to Langley (Colvin Forest to the west and Shouse Village to the east).

Westbriar is at 86% capacity, so while they are prioritizing eliminating attendance islands, it’s hard to see them moving a large percentage out without a corresponding move of kids in.

A decent part of growing Tysons feeds into Westbriar and it’s a big school, so that probably wouldn’t be a big concern.

People in support of changes:

1) We must ignore the development in Herndon because that thwarts our plans.

2) look at all the development in Tysons, we should be moving kids now proactively.

Westbriar is projected to be at 94% in 5 years, per the CIP that they just approved on Thursday. Again, moving a significant number of kids out without moving any others in, would drop that percentage by a lot and make no sense.

If eliminating attendance islands is indeed a goal, the Westbriar island will be reviewed. For over 20 years, kids at Westbriar in that island have been bussed past Colvin Run on their way to Westbriar. If you want to talk about things that make no sense, that is one of them.

[Anonymous]

There is a lot of new housing being built in Herndon and along route 28 near dulles and towards Centreville-so all those houses are accounted for in the projections?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of new housing being built in Herndon and along route 28 near dulles and towards Centreville-so all those houses are accounted for in the projections?

I’m fairly certain that none of the Herndon development is included in the projections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of new housing being built in Herndon and along route 28 near dulles and towards Centreville-so all those houses are accounted for in the projections?

They should be in the projections if the developer had broken ground as of the effective date of the projections. Much of the new housing in Herndon is zoned to Westfield, not Herndon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of new housing being built in Herndon and along route 28 near dulles and towards Centreville-so all those houses are accounted for in the projections?

They should be in the projections if the developer had broken ground as of the effective date of the projections. Much of the new housing in Herndon is zoned to Westfield, not Herndon.

This has been hashed out before. Don’t lie. If you want to advocate for boundary changes, whatever, but no need to pretend there aren’t thousands of homes planned for Herndon High pyramid. That’s just dishonest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of new housing being built in Herndon and along route 28 near dulles and towards Centreville-so all those houses are accounted for in the projections?

They should be in the projections if the developer had broken ground as of the effective date of the projections. Much of the new housing in Herndon is zoned to Westfield, not Herndon.

This has been hashed out before. Don’t lie. If you want to advocate for boundary changes, whatever, but no need to pretend there aren’t thousands of homes planned for Herndon High pyramid. That’s just dishonest.

The developments that PP is describing near Dulles along Route 28 are in the Coates boundaries zoned for Westfield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of new housing being built in Herndon and along route 28 near dulles and towards Centreville-so all those houses are accounted for in the projections?

They should be in the projections if the developer had broken ground as of the effective date of the projections. Much of the new housing in Herndon is zoned to Westfield, not Herndon.

This has been hashed out before. Don’t lie. If you want to advocate for boundary changes, whatever, but no need to pretend there aren’t thousands of homes planned for Herndon High pyramid. That’s just dishonest.

The developments that PP is describing near Dulles along Route 28 are in the Coates boundaries zoned for Westfield.

Just because there is a development in Westfield, doesn’t mean there aren’t developments in Herndon High. I’ve heard over 8,000 planned.