Prince Philip has died...

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Anonymous wrote:I thought ALL the statements were lovely. It’s not a contest.

The statements were lovely, but Harry's sent a very subtle message: By ending with "Per Mare, Per Terram," the motto of the Royal Marines, was he apologizing to his grandfather for giving up the role of Captain General of the Royal Marines, an honor Philip had for many years? His Aunt Anne took over that role from Harry when he severed ties with his family.

I read it not as an apology, but as highlighting one of many significant things that the two men had in common — their military service.
Also, as a correction, there is nothing to indicate that Harry “severed ties with his family “. He did, however, seek to alter his royal role — his job in the family business. Not only is it not the same thing, but the Queen could have made different decisions about how flexible such a role could be. (I’m not arguing that she should have made different decisions— just that I see the severing of his roles as being her decision, and she could have made a different set of decisions.)

Hey, who let the sane person in? The total separation was what the Queen decided, not Harry. He wanted to continue to serve his grandmother but in a stepped-back role so his family could escape the abuse of the British press.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought ALL the statements were lovely. It’s not a contest.

The statements were lovely, but Harry's sent a very subtle message: By ending with "Per Mare, Per Terram," the motto of the Royal Marines, was he apologizing to his grandfather for giving up the role of Captain General of the Royal Marines, an honor Philip had for many years? His Aunt Anne took over that role from Harry when he severed ties with his family.

I read it not as an apology, but as highlighting one of many significant things that the two men had in common — their military service.
Also, as a correction, there is nothing to indicate that Harry “severed ties with his family “. He did, however, seek to alter his royal role — his job in the family business. Not only is it not the same thing, but the Queen could have made different decisions about how flexible such a role could be. (I’m not arguing that she should have made different decisions— just that I see the severing of his roles as being her decision, and she could have made a different set of decisions.)

Hey, who let the sane person in? The total separation was what the Queen decided, not Harry. He wanted to continue to serve his grandmother but in a stepped-back role so his family could escape the abuse of the British press.

Yeah I’m sure most of the royals would like to get the $$$ and benefits of being a royal without actually having to do any of the work. The Queen understands that that’s not a viable model.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought ALL the statements were lovely. It’s not a contest.

The statements were lovely, but Harry's sent a very subtle message: By ending with "Per Mare, Per Terram," the motto of the Royal Marines, was he apologizing to his grandfather for giving up the role of Captain General of the Royal Marines, an honor Philip had for many years? His Aunt Anne took over that role from Harry when he severed ties with his family.

Apologizing? No. Defiantly claiming his ties to the Royal Marines as the only royal who has served overseas in a warfront? Absolutely.

https://www.forces.net/news/prince-harrys-tribute-legend-banter-prince-philip

Well, Prince Philip is a royal who served overseas in a warfront. Prince Andrew was a helicopter pilot during the Falklands War and while Prince Charles did not serve overseas, he did command a Navy destroyer and flew both helicopters and jets during his military service.

He can defiantly claim his ties to the marines, but he is like any other veteran now. Princess Anne is the Captain General of the Royal Marines, and another royal will take over from her when she relinquishes the title.

He gave up so much for so little was often said about his Great Uncle David. May Harry's defiance carry him through that curse.

Edward?

His actual name was David but he took Edward as his regnal name when he became king.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought ALL the statements were lovely. It’s not a contest.

The statements were lovely, but Harry's sent a very subtle message: By ending with "Per Mare, Per Terram," the motto of the Royal Marines, was he apologizing to his grandfather for giving up the role of Captain General of the Royal Marines, an honor Philip had for many years? His Aunt Anne took over that role from Harry when he severed ties with his family.

I read it not as an apology, but as highlighting one of many significant things that the two men had in common — their military service.
Also, as a correction, there is nothing to indicate that Harry “severed ties with his family “. He did, however, seek to alter his royal role — his job in the family business. Not only is it not the same thing, but the Queen could have made different decisions about how flexible such a role could be. (I’m not arguing that she should have made different decisions— just that I see the severing of his roles as being her decision, and she could have made a different set of decisions.)

Hey, who let the sane person in? The total separation was what the Queen decided, not Harry. He wanted to continue to serve his grandmother but in a stepped-back role so his family could escape the abuse of the British press.

Yeah I’m sure most of the royals would like to get the $$$ and benefits of being a royal without actually having to do any of the work. The Queen understands that that’s not a viable model.

PP, You might want to read up on Andrew’s sources of financial support, criticism of Meghan for actually working TOO hard, and how William, in particular, handled Harry and Meghan’s successful work and subsequent popularity. I’d be happy to take this discussion further, but I came to this thread expecting to learn more about Prince Philip.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought ALL the statements were lovely. It’s not a contest.

The statements were lovely, but Harry's sent a very subtle message: By ending with "Per Mare, Per Terram," the motto of the Royal Marines, was he apologizing to his grandfather for giving up the role of Captain General of the Royal Marines, an honor Philip had for many years? His Aunt Anne took over that role from Harry when he severed ties with his family.

Apologizing? No. Defiantly claiming his ties to the Royal Marines as the only royal who has served overseas in a warfront? Absolutely.

https://www.forces.net/news/prince-harrys-tribute-legend-banter-prince-philip

Well, Prince Philip is a royal who served overseas in a warfront. Prince Andrew was a helicopter pilot during the Falklands War and while Prince Charles did not serve overseas, he did command a Navy destroyer and flew both helicopters and jets during his military service.

He can defiantly claim his ties to the marines, but he is like any other veteran now. Princess Anne is the Captain General of the Royal Marines, and another royal will take over from her when she relinquishes the title.

He gave up so much for so little was often said about his Great Uncle David. May Harry's defiance carry him through that curse.

Edward?

King Edward was known as David in his family -- one of his multiple names.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought ALL the statements were lovely. It’s not a contest.

The statements were lovely, but Harry's sent a very subtle message: By ending with "Per Mare, Per Terram," the motto of the Royal Marines, was he apologizing to his grandfather for giving up the role of Captain General of the Royal Marines, an honor Philip had for many years? His Aunt Anne took over that role from Harry when he severed ties with his family.

I read it not as an apology, but as highlighting one of many significant things that the two men had in common — their military service.
Also, as a correction, there is nothing to indicate that Harry “severed ties with his family “. He did, however, seek to alter his royal role — his job in the family business. Not only is it not the same thing, but the Queen could have made different decisions about how flexible such a role could be. (I’m not arguing that she should have made different decisions— just that I see the severing of his roles as being her decision, and she could have made a different set of decisions.)

Hey, who let the sane person in? The total separation was what the Queen decided, not Harry. He wanted to continue to serve his grandmother but in a stepped-back role so his family could escape the abuse of the British press.

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Your naivete is charming

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought ALL the statements were lovely. It’s not a contest.

The statements were lovely, but Harry's sent a very subtle message: By ending with "Per Mare, Per Terram," the motto of the Royal Marines, was he apologizing to his grandfather for giving up the role of Captain General of the Royal Marines, an honor Philip had for many years? His Aunt Anne took over that role from Harry when he severed ties with his family.

I read it not as an apology, but as highlighting one of many significant things that the two men had in common — their military service.
Also, as a correction, there is nothing to indicate that Harry “severed ties with his family “. He did, however, seek to alter his royal role — his job in the family business. Not only is it not the same thing, but the Queen could have made different decisions about how flexible such a role could be. (I’m not arguing that she should have made different decisions— just that I see the severing of his roles as being her decision, and she could have made a different set of decisions.)

Hey, who let the sane person in? The total separation was what the Queen decided, not Harry. He wanted to continue to serve his grandmother but in a stepped-back role so his family could escape the abuse of the British press.

Yeah I’m sure most of the royals would like to get the $$$ and benefits of being a royal without actually having to do any of the work. The Queen understands that that’s not a viable model.

PP, You might want to read up on Andrew’s sources of financial support, criticism of Meghan for actually working TOO hard, and how William, in particular, handled Harry and Meghan’s successful work and subsequent popularity. I’d be happy to take this discussion further, but I came to this thread expecting to learn more about Prince Philip.

If you want to refute my point, then I’m afraid you’ll have to actually provide evidence for your argument. It’s not my job to find it for you. Similarly, if you find this thread disappointing, then don’t read it. None of us are here to serve you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought ALL the statements were lovely. It’s not a contest.

The statements were lovely, but Harry's sent a very subtle message: By ending with "Per Mare, Per Terram," the motto of the Royal Marines, was he apologizing to his grandfather for giving up the role of Captain General of the Royal Marines, an honor Philip had for many years? His Aunt Anne took over that role from Harry when he severed ties with his family.

Apologizing? No. Defiantly claiming his ties to the Royal Marines as the only royal who has served overseas in a warfront? Absolutely.

https://www.forces.net/news/prince-harrys-tribute-legend-banter-prince-philip

Well, Prince Philip is a royal who served overseas in a warfront. Prince Andrew was a helicopter pilot during the Falklands War and while Prince Charles did not serve overseas, he did command a Navy destroyer and flew both helicopters and jets during his military service.

He can defiantly claim his ties to the marines, but he is like any other veteran now. Princess Anne is the Captain General of the Royal Marines, and another royal will take over from her when she relinquishes the title.

He gave up so much for so little was often said about his Great Uncle [b]David. [/b] May Harry's defiance carry him through that curse.

Edward?

His actual name was David but he took Edward as his regnal name when he became king.

What exactly did Harry give up? Tangible things - please list them. I understand that Edward/David gave up essentially an entire kingdom but as monarch he had all the funds of the Duchy of Lancaster and the private wealth passed from monarch to monarch.

As the 'spare' of a King with a heir + 3, Harry wasn't in line for any of that. He wasn't entitled to the funds of the Duchy of Cornwall, he was not going to be head of 4-6 castles (Charles has 4 as PoW - Highgrove, Clarence, Llwynywermod, and Birkhall), he wasn't going to get much of an income beyond what he was already given (I believe Andrew was getting $250K/yr as the son and Prince Phillip was getting $400K/yr as the husband), and all he had to look forward to was being kicked out of his housing at the monarch's leisure as he grew older.

As for titles/roles - he already had the highest ducal title he was going to be given and Capt General of the Royal Marines is the highest military-related title Phillip could have passed on to him which he held since 1953.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought ALL the statements were lovely. It’s not a contest.

The statements were lovely, but Harry's sent a very subtle message: By ending with "Per Mare, Per Terram," the motto of the Royal Marines, was he apologizing to his grandfather for giving up the role of Captain General of the Royal Marines, an honor Philip had for many years? His Aunt Anne took over that role from Harry when he severed ties with his family.

Apologizing? No. Defiantly claiming his ties to the Royal Marines as the only royal who has served overseas in a warfront? Absolutely.

https://www.forces.net/news/prince-harrys-tribute-legend-banter-prince-philip

Well, Prince Philip is a royal who served overseas in a warfront. Prince Andrew was a helicopter pilot during the Falklands War and while Prince Charles did not serve overseas, he did command a Navy destroyer and flew both helicopters and jets during his military service.

He can defiantly claim his ties to the marines, but he is like any other veteran now. Princess Anne is the Captain General of the Royal Marines, and another royal will take over from her when she relinquishes the title.

He gave up so much for so little was often said about his Great Uncle [b]David. [/b] May Harry's defiance carry him through that curse.

Edward?

His actual name was David but he took Edward as his regnal name when he became king.

What exactly did Harry give up? Tangible things - please list them. I understand that Edward/David gave up essentially an entire kingdom but as monarch he had all the funds of the Duchy of Lancaster and the private wealth passed from monarch to monarch.

As the 'spare' of a King with a heir + 3, Harry wasn't in line for any of that. He wasn't entitled to the funds of the Duchy of Cornwall, he was not going to be head of 4-6 castles (Charles has 4 as PoW - Highgrove, Clarence, Llwynywermod, and Birkhall), he wasn't going to get much of an income beyond what he was already given (I believe Andrew was getting $250K/yr as the son and Prince Phillip was getting $400K/yr as the husband), and all he had to look forward to was being kicked out of his housing at the monarch's leisure as he grew older.

As for titles/roles - he already had the highest ducal title he was going to be given and Capt General of the Royal Marines is the highest military-related title Phillip could have passed on to him which he held since 1953.

DP. You should ask Harry. He seemed pretty upset about being “cut off.” (I believe those were his words.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought ALL the statements were lovely. It’s not a contest.

The statements were lovely, but Harry's sent a very subtle message: By ending with "Per Mare, Per Terram," the motto of the Royal Marines, was he apologizing to his grandfather for giving up the role of Captain General of the Royal Marines, an honor Philip had for many years? His Aunt Anne took over that role from Harry when he severed ties with his family.

Apologizing? No. Defiantly claiming his ties to the Royal Marines as the only royal who has served overseas in a warfront? Absolutely.

https://www.forces.net/news/prince-harrys-tribute-legend-banter-prince-philip

Well, Prince Philip is a royal who served overseas in a warfront. Prince Andrew was a helicopter pilot during the Falklands War and while Prince Charles did not serve overseas, he did command a Navy destroyer and flew both helicopters and jets during his military service.

He can defiantly claim his ties to the marines, but he is like any other veteran now. Princess Anne is the Captain General of the Royal Marines, and another royal will take over from her when she relinquishes the title.

He gave up so much for so little was often said about his Great Uncle [b]David. [/b] May Harry's defiance carry him through that curse.

Edward?

His actual name was David but he took Edward as his regnal name when he became king.

What exactly did Harry give up? Tangible things - please list them. I understand that Edward/David gave up essentially an entire kingdom but as monarch he had all the funds of the Duchy of Lancaster and the private wealth passed from monarch to monarch.

As the 'spare' of a King with a heir + 3, Harry wasn't in line for any of that. He wasn't entitled to the funds of the Duchy of Cornwall, he was not going to be head of 4-6 castles (Charles has 4 as PoW - Highgrove, Clarence, Llwynywermod, and Birkhall), he wasn't going to get much of an income beyond what he was already given (I believe Andrew was getting $250K/yr as the son and Prince Phillip was getting $400K/yr as the husband), and all he had to look forward to was being kicked out of his housing at the monarch's leisure as he grew older.

As for titles/roles - he already had the highest ducal title he was going to be given and Capt General of the Royal Marines is the highest military-related title Phillip could have passed on to him which he held since 1953.

Harry was said to be devastated that the Queen removed him from his Royal patronages, particularly Captain General of the Royal Marines which he received from his Grandfather, Prince Philip. Other returned patronages that he wanted to keep: Honorary Air Commandant, RAF Honington, Commodore-in Chief Small Ships and Diving, Royal Naval Command. For a man who served 10 years in the military and whose future course would have been in support of the military, he gave up a good deal.

DP. He didn’t earn any of that. It was given to him because of his privileged heritage. Then he complains about losing what he didn’t earn.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought ALL the statements were lovely. It’s not a contest.

The statements were lovely, but Harry's sent a very subtle message: By ending with "Per Mare, Per Terram," the motto of the Royal Marines, was he apologizing to his grandfather for giving up the role of Captain General of the Royal Marines, an honor Philip had for many years? His Aunt Anne took over that role from Harry when he severed ties with his family.

Apologizing? No. Defiantly claiming his ties to the Royal Marines as the only royal who has served overseas in a warfront? Absolutely.

https://www.forces.net/news/prince-harrys-tribute-legend-banter-prince-philip

Well, Prince Philip is a royal who served overseas in a warfront. Prince Andrew was a helicopter pilot during the Falklands War and while Prince Charles did not serve overseas, he did command a Navy destroyer and flew both helicopters and jets during his military service.

He can defiantly claim his ties to the marines, but he is like any other veteran now. Princess Anne is the Captain General of the Royal Marines, and another royal will take over from her when she relinquishes the title.

He gave up so much for so little was often said about his Great Uncle [b]David. [/b] May Harry's defiance carry him through that curse.

Edward?

His actual name was David but he took Edward as his regnal name when he became king.

What exactly did Harry give up? Tangible things - please list them. I understand that Edward/David gave up essentially an entire kingdom but as monarch he had all the funds of the Duchy of Lancaster and the private wealth passed from monarch to monarch.

As the 'spare' of a King with a heir + 3, Harry wasn't in line for any of that. He wasn't entitled to the funds of the Duchy of Cornwall, he was not going to be head of 4-6 castles (Charles has 4 as PoW - Highgrove, Clarence, Llwynywermod, and Birkhall), he wasn't going to get much of an income beyond what he was already given (I believe Andrew was getting $250K/yr as the son and Prince Phillip was getting $400K/yr as the husband), and all he had to look forward to was being kicked out of his housing at the monarch's leisure as he grew older.

As for titles/roles - he already had the highest ducal title he was going to be given and Capt General of the Royal Marines is the highest military-related title Phillip could have passed on to him which he held since 1953.

Harry was said to be devastated that the Queen removed him from his Royal patronages, particularly Captain General of the Royal Marines which he received from his Grandfather, Prince Philip. Other returned patronages that he wanted to keep: Honorary Air Commandant, RAF Honington, Commodore-in Chief Small Ships and Diving, Royal Naval Command. For a man who served 10 years in the military and whose future course would have been in support of the military, he gave up a good deal.

So 3 honorary patronages? 2 of which require no practical application. Camilla is the Commodore-in-Chief of Naval Medical Services and William is the Commodore-in-Chief of Submarines. When was the last time you saw either of them on a Navy ship or Submarine respectively?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought ALL the statements were lovely. It’s not a contest.

The statements were lovely, but Harry's sent a very subtle message: By ending with "Per Mare, Per Terram," the motto of the Royal Marines, was he apologizing to his grandfather for giving up the role of Captain General of the Royal Marines, an honor Philip had for many years? His Aunt Anne took over that role from Harry when he severed ties with his family.

Apologizing? No. Defiantly claiming his ties to the Royal Marines as the only royal who has served overseas in a warfront? Absolutely.

https://www.forces.net/news/prince-harrys-tribute-legend-banter-prince-philip

Well, Prince Philip is a royal who served overseas in a warfront. Prince Andrew was a helicopter pilot during the Falklands War and while Prince Charles did not serve overseas, he did command a Navy destroyer and flew both helicopters and jets during his military service.

He can defiantly claim his ties to the marines, but he is like any other veteran now. Princess Anne is the Captain General of the Royal Marines, and another royal will take over from her when she relinquishes the title.

He gave up so much for so little was often said about his Great Uncle [b]David. [/b] May Harry's defiance carry him through that curse.

Edward?

His actual name was David but he took Edward as his regnal name when he became king.

What exactly did Harry give up? Tangible things - please list them. I understand that Edward/David gave up essentially an entire kingdom but as monarch he had all the funds of the Duchy of Lancaster and the private wealth passed from monarch to monarch.

As the 'spare' of a King with a heir + 3, Harry wasn't in line for any of that. He wasn't entitled to the funds of the Duchy of Cornwall, he was not going to be head of 4-6 castles (Charles has 4 as PoW - Highgrove, Clarence, Llwynywermod, and Birkhall), he wasn't going to get much of an income beyond what he was already given (I believe Andrew was getting $250K/yr as the son and Prince Phillip was getting $400K/yr as the husband), and all he had to look forward to was being kicked out of his housing at the monarch's leisure as he grew older.

As for titles/roles - he already had the highest ducal title he was going to be given and Capt General of the Royal Marines is the highest military-related title Phillip could have passed on to him which he held since 1953.

Harry was said to be devastated that the Queen removed him from his Royal patronages, particularly Captain General of the Royal Marines which he received from his Grandfather, Prince Philip. Other returned patronages that he wanted to keep: Honorary Air Commandant, RAF Honington, Commodore-in Chief Small Ships and Diving, Royal Naval Command. For a man who served 10 years in the military and whose future course would have been in support of the military, he gave up a good deal.

So Harry’s upset because he wanted to have his cake and eat it too but Grandma said no?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought ALL the statements were lovely. It’s not a contest.

The statements were lovely, but Harry's sent a very subtle message: By ending with "Per Mare, Per Terram," the motto of the Royal Marines, was he apologizing to his grandfather for giving up the role of Captain General of the Royal Marines, an honor Philip had for many years? His Aunt Anne took over that role from Harry when he severed ties with his family.

Apologizing? No. Defiantly claiming his ties to the Royal Marines as the only royal who has served overseas in a warfront? Absolutely.

https://www.forces.net/news/prince-harrys-tribute-legend-banter-prince-philip

Well, Prince Philip is a royal who served overseas in a warfront. Prince Andrew was a helicopter pilot during the Falklands War and while Prince Charles did not serve overseas, he did command a Navy destroyer and flew both helicopters and jets during his military service.

He can defiantly claim his ties to the marines, but he is like any other veteran now. Princess Anne is the Captain General of the Royal Marines, and another royal will take over from her when she relinquishes the title.

He gave up so much for so little was often said about his Great Uncle [b]David. [/b] May Harry's defiance carry him through that curse.

Edward?

His actual name was David but he took Edward as his regnal name when he became king.

What exactly did Harry give up? Tangible things - please list them. I understand that Edward/David gave up essentially an entire kingdom but as monarch he had all the funds of the Duchy of Lancaster and the private wealth passed from monarch to monarch.

As the 'spare' of a King with a heir + 3, Harry wasn't in line for any of that. He wasn't entitled to the funds of the Duchy of Cornwall, he was not going to be head of 4-6 castles (Charles has 4 as PoW - Highgrove, Clarence, Llwynywermod, and Birkhall), he wasn't going to get much of an income beyond what he was already given (I believe Andrew was getting $250K/yr as the son and Prince Phillip was getting $400K/yr as the husband), and all he had to look forward to was being kicked out of his housing at the monarch's leisure as he grew older.

As for titles/roles - he already had the highest ducal title he was going to be given and Capt General of the Royal Marines is the highest military-related title Phillip could have passed on to him which he held since 1953.

Harry was said to be devastated that the Queen removed him from his Royal patronages, particularly Captain General of the Royal Marines which he received from his Grandfather, Prince Philip. Other returned patronages that he wanted to keep: Honorary Air Commandant, RAF Honington, Commodore-in Chief Small Ships and Diving, Royal Naval Command. For a man who served 10 years in the military and whose future course would have been in support of the military, he gave up a good deal.

So Harry’s upset because he wanted to have his cake and eat it too but Grandma said no?

Essentially, yes.

But I thought part of his whole We're Outta Here letter specified that he and MM wanted to becomes financially independent? But now they're upset that they couldn't leave the BRF/duties and still get supported? Archie was never supposed to be a Prince, so Harkles is lying when they claim that it's a slight for him to not get the title. The whole streamlining the BRF was in play prior to Harry even meeting MM. Andrew's children weren't supposed to have the Princess titles either but he pitched a huge fit and mommy gave it to them. The children of Anne and Edward don't have the titles either.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought ALL the statements were lovely. It’s not a contest.

The statements were lovely, but Harry's sent a very subtle message: By ending with "Per Mare, Per Terram," the motto of the Royal Marines, was he apologizing to his grandfather for giving up the role of Captain General of the Royal Marines, an honor Philip had for many years? His Aunt Anne took over that role from Harry when he severed ties with his family.

Apologizing? No. Defiantly claiming his ties to the Royal Marines as the only royal who has served overseas in a warfront? Absolutely.

https://www.forces.net/news/prince-harrys-tribute-legend-banter-prince-philip

Well, Prince Philip is a royal who served overseas in a warfront. Prince Andrew was a helicopter pilot during the Falklands War and while Prince Charles did not serve overseas, he did command a Navy destroyer and flew both helicopters and jets during his military service.

He can defiantly claim his ties to the marines, but he is like any other veteran now. Princess Anne is the Captain General of the Royal Marines, and another royal will take over from her when she relinquishes the title.

He gave up so much for so little was often said about his Great Uncle [b]David. [/b] May Harry's defiance carry him through that curse.

Edward?

His actual name was David but he took Edward as his regnal name when he became king.

What exactly did Harry give up? Tangible things - please list them. I understand that Edward/David gave up essentially an entire kingdom but as monarch he had all the funds of the Duchy of Lancaster and the private wealth passed from monarch to monarch.

As the 'spare' of a King with a heir + 3, Harry wasn't in line for any of that. He wasn't entitled to the funds of the Duchy of Cornwall, he was not going to be head of 4-6 castles (Charles has 4 as PoW - Highgrove, Clarence, Llwynywermod, and Birkhall), he wasn't going to get much of an income beyond what he was already given (I believe Andrew was getting $250K/yr as the son and Prince Phillip was getting $400K/yr as the husband), and all he had to look forward to was being kicked out of his housing at the monarch's leisure as he grew older.

As for titles/roles - he already had the highest ducal title he was going to be given and Capt General of the Royal Marines is the highest military-related title Phillip could have passed on to him which he held since 1953.

Harry was said to be devastated that the Queen removed him from his Royal patronages, particularly Captain General of the Royal Marines which he received from his Grandfather, Prince Philip. Other returned patronages that he wanted to keep: Honorary Air Commandant, RAF Honington, Commodore-in Chief Small Ships and Diving, Royal Naval Command. For a man who served 10 years in the military and whose future course would have been in support of the military, he gave up a good deal.

So Harry’s upset because he wanted to have his cake and eat it too but Grandma said no?

Essentially, yes.

But I thought part of his whole We're Outta Here letter specified that he and MM wanted to becomes financially independent? But now they're upset that they couldn't leave the BRF/duties and still get supported? Archie was never supposed to be a Prince, so Harkles is lying when they claim that it's a slight for him to not get the title. The whole streamlining the BRF was in play prior to Harry even meeting MM. Andrew's children weren't supposed to have the Princess titles either but he pitched a huge fit and mommy gave it to them. The children of Anne and Edward don't have the titles either.

Why wouldn’t Archie be a prince when Charles is King if Beatrice and Eugenia are princesses? Does not make a ton of sense. Beatrice and Eugenia also got security into adulthood and access to properties they could never afford with their pretend jobs despite never having been working royals. Anne and Edward chose to not do the titles. So basically why is the rule that every monarch’s child gets the option to choose if they want the titles but Harry will not (when Charles is king makes sense that the choice would not be available now). It doesn’t actually make sense. Streamlining the monarchy has to do with the number of working royals. That would not change title or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So sad but it’s about time Queen Elizabeth stepped down. She plans to rule until she too is 99?

Why should she? She will resign when she has died.

+1. Posters saying otherwise are showing their woeful ignorance of the monarchy.