Discrimination against Asians

[Anonymous]

No

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asians need to wake up. Trying to have rational dialogues regarding the racism and discrimination they face will amount to NOTHING.

Get out on the streets, protest, loot, riot, damage businesses, disturb people eating at restaurants, be loud and be angry to get heard.

That is what is rewarded in America and that is how you win allies and sympathizers. Not rational dialogue.

YES YES YES

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do realize that many people aren’t successful until later in life? They are late bloomers, you would be surprised to see who actually succeeds sometimes. Most rational people realize that high school is a minor stepping stone.

If I were to put my bets on whether someone who dropped out of HS vs someone who studied hard through HS would succed later in life, where do you think my money would go?

Yes, you won't bulk up after going to the gym two times, but I'm not sure that's what you're trying to say.

I think killing oneself studying and prepping in HS is pointless and burns kids out. Many successful adults I know weren’t stellar HS students, at all. This includes surgeons, software developers, scientists, attorneys.

PP here. Oh, yes, absolutely, and I know many too. But I believe you were making the point that there were many, many people who were light years ahead of the very best students at TJ? That's what I was disagreeing with. You'd be drastically underestimating the quality and level of success of TJ's best.

[Anonymous]

"This whole thread and pretty much every recent thread in this AAP forum are disgusting, racist, xenophobia condoning threads.

There is concerted, systemic, legal discrimination against Asians. PERIOD.

You either get that because you are anti- racist or you don’t because you are not anti-racist. You approve of and condone racism against Asians. You think it’s not racism if you put minorities against one another and you are on one side, but you are. You think you are not racist by choosing one minorities possible benefits over another. But you are.

You are racist.

You think you’re not if you plant a BLM sign in your yard and repost ‘racial justice’ posts on FB. But you are.
You are still racist.

You think you can’t be racist because you are a minority. But you are a majority minority. You approve racism towards another less well represented and less politically powerful minority.
You are still racist.

And you are very comfortable in your racism."

THIS. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

The lottery won't be equally applied:

"the plan does not contain a lottery among all qualified applicants. First, it divides the applicant base into five regions within Fairfax County. The plan did not explain how that was to be done. Based on historical patterns, one would expect there would be substantially more qualified students in the more affluent parts of the county.

Using made-up numbers, let’s say 3500 8th graders make the cut and are distributed as follows. The 3500 kids from FCPS in my example are not evenly spread throughout each of the five districts, nor would they be in real life. There aren’t 700 qualified kids in each of the five districts. Let’s say it’s 100 kids in A. 200 kids in B. 300 kids in C. 1000 kids in D and 2000 kids in E. Under the first FCPS plan, each district gets 50 seats at TJ. (Now 100 seats are awarded by “merit.”) Within each district, the lottery is fair. But if you compare the odds of selection district-by-district, there is a huge discrepancy in each student’s chance of being elected. In district A, 50/100 get in (50%). In B, 50/200 get in (25%). In C, 50/300 get in (16.7%). In D, 50 of 1000 (5%). And finally, in E, 50 of 2000 (2.5%). While I created those numbers, I strongly suspect that there will be major differences in the total number of qualified students in each region by purpose and each district will have considerably different racial and ethnic makeups. And since this is clearly being done for racial purposes, FCPS is clearly treating kids differently based on race.

And it also treats members of the “same” ethnic group differently based on where they live. For example, one of the feeder elementary schools for McLean high school has a very high number of Hispanics, many of whom are low-income. In my example, we’d expect to see larger numbers of Hispanic applicants in districts A-C than in E, which contains the McLean HS pyramid. Hispanic applicants in district E have a much lower chance of getting into TJ simply based on where their parents live. That’s fairness alright.

Supposedly, Brabrand has modified the regions, but has not explained how they will be populated. Unless they are virtually equal in number, students, allegedly equally qualified, will be treated differently. And since this is based on race/ethnicity, suspect factors under the Constitution, the program may well not pass muster in the courts."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do Asians always seem to attack black people when it's usually white people underhandedly attacking them? The TJ thing will lead an increase in less qualified white students, but the first thing usually out of an Asian person's mouth/fingers is ThoSe BlACk peOplE aRe SteALing Our SpoTS!

Who is attacking black people?

This forum is full of these attacks. It’s too late to change tac now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lottery won't be equally applied:

"the plan does not contain a lottery among all qualified applicants. First, it divides the applicant base into five regions within Fairfax County. The plan did not explain how that was to be done. Based on historical patterns, one would expect there would be substantially more qualified students in the more affluent parts of the county.

Using made-up numbers, let’s say 3500 8th graders make the cut and are distributed as follows. The 3500 kids from FCPS in my example are not evenly spread throughout each of the five districts, nor would they be in real life. There aren’t 700 qualified kids in each of the five districts. Let’s say it’s 100 kids in A. 200 kids in B. 300 kids in C. 1000 kids in D and 2000 kids in E. Under the first FCPS plan, each district gets 50 seats at TJ. (Now 100 seats are awarded by “merit.”) Within each district, the lottery is fair. But if you compare the odds of selection district-by-district, there is a huge discrepancy in each student’s chance of being elected. In district A, 50/100 get in (50%). In B, 50/200 get in (25%). In C, 50/300 get in (16.7%). In D, 50 of 1000 (5%). And finally, in E, 50 of 2000 (2.5%). While I created those numbers, I strongly suspect that there will be major differences in the total number of qualified students in each region by purpose and each district will have considerably different racial and ethnic makeups. And since this is clearly being done for racial purposes, FCPS is clearly treating kids differently based on race.

And it also treats members of the “same” ethnic group differently based on where they live. For example, one of the feeder elementary schools for McLean high school has a very high number of Hispanics, many of whom are low-income. In my example, we’d expect to see larger numbers of Hispanic applicants in districts A-C than in E, which contains the McLean HS pyramid. Hispanic applicants in district E have a much lower chance of getting into TJ simply based on where their parents live. That’s fairness alright.

Supposedly, Brabrand has modified the regions, but has not explained how they will be populated. Unless they are virtually equal in number, students, allegedly equally qualified, will be treated differently. And since this is based on race/ethnicity, suspect factors under the Constitution, the program may well not pass muster in the courts."

No matter how you cut it, the lottery is not fair. The 3.5 GPA is also too low, which makes the lottery stupid as well. URMs will be coming in with a lot to catch up on (Asians will dominate the upper ranks of the GPA distribution).

The only way I think the lottery will be "successful" in a sense, is that you actually apply the lottery to those people in the 3.5 to 3.6 range for the entire Fairfax County. Then you will be ensured a more homogeneous group, academic-wise. URMs will also be well represented. URMs will not have to catch up like crazy.

But this will truly be a middle-of-the-road school and will really be a URM-centric school. We would be bending over backwards to create a school that is a lot worse than many other schools in FCPS, academic-wise. But perhaps this is their goal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank you pp for those statistics. I would like to hear a direct explanation of why people find it offensive to hear “your English is so good.” If their objection is something along the lines of, “you’d never say that to a white person,” the answer is that as an Asian American you look outwardly like many people whose first language is not English, and white people don’t.

I have always considered myself a liberal but I think the characterization of many things as microaggressions has gone too far. I read a recent frustrated article by an African American doctor who was offended that she is sometimes not seen as a doctor at first glance. She acknowledged in her piece that 90% of people who look like her in her hospital are nursing staff and janitorial. So why is someone a monster if they accidentally assume something that is accurate 90% of the time?

Why say it at all? You run into me while walking in the park and we stop and have an inconsequential neighbourly exchange. You think to yourself, "gee, I'm so surprised, she has a New York accent and here I was thinking she would speak English as a second language! Fancy that!". At that point, why compliment me on my English speaking skills? Wouldn't you just assume I'm a native born American at that point?

[Anonymous]

The ES and MS closest to TJ are Weyanoke ES and Holmes MS. Very few students from either school attend TJ.

A little further there are kids who also live very close to TJ but get bussed across 395 and 495 to Edison HS.

I don’t sense those who benefit from the status quo at TJ have much, if any, empathy for people who see what is supposedly a public school in their midst closed off and functioning like a private school. A lottery won’t change everything, but at least it assures a student body drawn from more parts of the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lottery won't be equally applied:

"the plan does not contain a lottery among all qualified applicants. First, it divides the applicant base into five regions within Fairfax County. The plan did not explain how that was to be done. Based on historical patterns, one would expect there would be substantially more qualified students in the more affluent parts of the county.

Using made-up numbers, let’s say 3500 8th graders make the cut and are distributed as follows. The 3500 kids from FCPS in my example are not evenly spread throughout each of the five districts, nor would they be in real life. There aren’t 700 qualified kids in each of the five districts. Let’s say it’s 100 kids in A. 200 kids in B. 300 kids in C. 1000 kids in D and 2000 kids in E. Under the first FCPS plan, each district gets 50 seats at TJ. (Now 100 seats are awarded by “merit.”) Within each district, the lottery is fair. But if you compare the odds of selection district-by-district, there is a huge discrepancy in each student’s chance of being elected. In district A, 50/100 get in (50%). In B, 50/200 get in (25%). In C, 50/300 get in (16.7%). In D, 50 of 1000 (5%). And finally, in E, 50 of 2000 (2.5%). While I created those numbers, I strongly suspect that there will be major differences in the total number of qualified students in each region by purpose and each district will have considerably different racial and ethnic makeups. And since this is clearly being done for racial purposes, FCPS is clearly treating kids differently based on race.

And it also treats members of the “same” ethnic group differently based on where they live. For example, one of the feeder elementary schools for McLean high school has a very high number of Hispanics, many of whom are low-income. In my example, we’d expect to see larger numbers of Hispanic applicants in districts A-C than in E, which contains the McLean HS pyramid. Hispanic applicants in district E have a much lower chance of getting into TJ simply based on where their parents live. That’s fairness alright.

Supposedly, Brabrand has modified the regions, but has not explained how they will be populated. Unless they are virtually equal in number, students, allegedly equally qualified, will be treated differently. And since this is based on race/ethnicity, suspect factors under the Constitution, the program may well not pass muster in the courts."

No matter how you cut it, the lottery is not fair. The 3.5 GPA is also too low, which makes the lottery stupid as well. URMs will be coming in with a lot to catch up on (Asians will dominate the upper ranks of the GPA distribution).

The only way I think the lottery will be "successful" in a sense, is that you actually apply the lottery to those people in the 3.5 to 3.6 range for the entire Fairfax County. Then you will be ensured a more homogeneous group, academic-wise. URMs will also be well represented. URMs will not have to catch up like crazy.

But this will truly be a middle-of-the-road school and will really be a URM-centric school. We would be bending over backwards to create a school that is a lot worse than many other schools in FCPS, academic-wise. But perhaps this is their goal.

This whole “without us you’re nothing” line is really offensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What you're talking about is often called the old boys network.

Asians have a notoriously hard time breaking into the old boys network. It's called the bamboo ceiling.

This stereotype that Asians have no EQ contributes mightily to this problem.

Asians are very aware of the benefits of networking, and they leverage it wherever they can.

There just aren't a lot of Asians in country clubs or high powered management positions.

And few that are in positions of power are not active in pro-Asian causes and don't really help the Asian community because they think it's a bad look for them. There are a lot of Asians who go out of their way to not associate with other Asians because they feel it would be bad for them professionally. They reflect what they think (white) management will reward. That's why Asians continue to lack influence, because there's no cohesiveness. It's a cycle. Sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do Asians always seem to attack black people when it's usually white people underhandedly attacking them? The TJ thing will lead an increase in less qualified white students, but the first thing usually out of an Asian person's mouth/fingers is ThoSe BlACk peOplE aRe SteALing Our SpoTS!

Who is attacking black people?

This forum is full of these attacks. It’s too late to change tac now.

Actually, it isn't Asians who are attacking Blacks that's an issue...https://medium.com/@kendawg/this-is-what-black-on-asian-crime-looks-like-ac41e740a87c

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The ES and MS closest to TJ are Weyanoke ES and Holmes MS. Very few students from either school attend TJ.

A little further there are kids who also live very close to TJ but get bussed across 395 and 495 to Edison HS.

I don’t sense those who benefit from the status quo at TJ have much, if any, empathy for people who see what is supposedly a public school in their midst closed off and functioning like a private school. A lottery won’t change everything, but at least it assures a student body drawn from more parts of the county.

There is a correlation between the "draw" of the school and how much time/effort students/families are willing to commute.

The lottery will make things less of a draw and therefore less people will be willing to commute. As this cycle continues, it will be, again, a middle-of-the-road school, that will be mostly a neighborhood school. That is fine, but that will be the result.

The fact that students/families sacrifice a lot to come to TJ is reflective of the fact that the school is good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lottery won't be equally applied:

"the plan does not contain a lottery among all qualified applicants. First, it divides the applicant base into five regions within Fairfax County. The plan did not explain how that was to be done. Based on historical patterns, one would expect there would be substantially more qualified students in the more affluent parts of the county.

Using made-up numbers, let’s say 3500 8th graders make the cut and are distributed as follows. The 3500 kids from FCPS in my example are not evenly spread throughout each of the five districts, nor would they be in real life. There aren’t 700 qualified kids in each of the five districts. Let’s say it’s 100 kids in A. 200 kids in B. 300 kids in C. 1000 kids in D and 2000 kids in E. Under the first FCPS plan, each district gets 50 seats at TJ. (Now 100 seats are awarded by “merit.”) Within each district, the lottery is fair. But if you compare the odds of selection district-by-district, there is a huge discrepancy in each student’s chance of being elected. In district A, 50/100 get in (50%). In B, 50/200 get in (25%). In C, 50/300 get in (16.7%). In D, 50 of 1000 (5%). And finally, in E, 50 of 2000 (2.5%). While I created those numbers, I strongly suspect that there will be major differences in the total number of qualified students in each region by purpose and each district will have considerably different racial and ethnic makeups. And since this is clearly being done for racial purposes, FCPS is clearly treating kids differently based on race.

And it also treats members of the “same” ethnic group differently based on where they live. For example, one of the feeder elementary schools for McLean high school has a very high number of Hispanics, many of whom are low-income. In my example, we’d expect to see larger numbers of Hispanic applicants in districts A-C than in E, which contains the McLean HS pyramid. Hispanic applicants in district E have a much lower chance of getting into TJ simply based on where their parents live. That’s fairness alright.

Supposedly, Brabrand has modified the regions, but has not explained how they will be populated. Unless they are virtually equal in number, students, allegedly equally qualified, will be treated differently. And since this is based on race/ethnicity, suspect factors under the Constitution, the program may well not pass muster in the courts."

No matter how you cut it, the lottery is not fair. The 3.5 GPA is also too low, which makes the lottery stupid as well. URMs will be coming in with a lot to catch up on (Asians will dominate the upper ranks of the GPA distribution).

The only way I think the lottery will be "successful" in a sense, is that you actually apply the lottery to those people in the 3.5 to 3.6 range for the entire Fairfax County. Then you will be ensured a more homogeneous group, academic-wise. URMs will also be well represented. URMs will not have to catch up like crazy.

But this will truly be a middle-of-the-road school and will really be a URM-centric school. We would be bending over backwards to create a school that is a lot worse than many other schools in FCPS, academic-wise. But perhaps this is their goal.

This whole “without us you’re nothing” line is really offensive.

That is not the intention. I am sorry that it comes off that way. I have no dog in this fight. Just trying to think of the implications. "Us" is a whole segment that is necessarily cut off due to the lottery, including highly gifted URMs. "You" includes Asians who get in with close to 3.5 GPAs that never had a chance before too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The ES and MS closest to TJ are Weyanoke ES and Holmes MS. Very few students from either school attend TJ.

A little further there are kids who also live very close to TJ but get bussed across 395 and 495 to Edison HS.

I don’t sense those who benefit from the status quo at TJ have much, if any, empathy for people who see what is supposedly a public school in their midst closed off and functioning like a private school. A lottery won’t change everything, but at least it assures a student body drawn from more parts of the county.

There is a correlation between the "draw" of the school and how much time/effort students/families are willing to commute.

The lottery will make things less of a draw and therefore less people will be willing to commute. As this cycle continues, it will be, again, a middle-of-the-road school, that will be mostly a neighborhood school. That is fine, but that will be the result.

The fact that students/families sacrifice a lot to come to TJ is reflective of the fact that the school is good.

How do? TJ cannot be “mostly a neighborhood school“ if seats are apportioned by region or pyramid. You appear to use the term “neighborhood school” to describe any school with a different profile than TJ has today, which is quite condescending.