Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Different RM Asian parent poster -- I grew up lower income in a school where majority were black and hispanic.

Are there "liberal hypocrites"? Sure, just as there are "conservative hypocrites". But, I seriously doubt that the SJW on this forum advocating for equity of FARMs across the clusters are private school parents. I'm thinking the majority are from non wealthy areas.

To be fair, I would not want my kids to go to a school with a super high FARMs rate - like 40%+. While I'm sure many kids in such schools get a good education and do well (certainly was the case in my HS), IMO, such schools have too many issues that I don't want my kids or myself to have to deal with. Conversely, I wouldn't want my kids in a school where this is too much wealth. Those schools, too, have too many issues that I don't want my kids or myself to deal with.

IMO, schools like RM and Northwest have a good mix of SES (about a 20% FARMs rate) and race -- those schools are truly diverse. It would be awesome if more clusters could have that mix, but realistically, that's not going to happen. Doesn't mean MCPS shouldn't try if it's possible by moving around areas in neighboring clusters like they said they are going to do. Again, the aren't looking at busing cross county, only neighboring clusters.

Different people can certainly have different views on these social issues concerning diversity etc. For the MCPS schools part, a balanced view at this point would be minor boundary tweaks initialized by capacity issues are probably acceptable - that is also what BoE is looking into.

When people express their opinions which are clearly beyond this, and try to justify those with "social justice" or "promoting diversity" or some other political correct reasons, it is likely they could be identified as "liberal hypocrites".

Nice way to justify ad hominem attacks to avoid a thoughtful discussion of the actual issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Different people can certainly have different views on these social issues concerning diversity etc. For the MCPS schools part, a balanced view at this point would be minor boundary tweaks initialized by capacity issues are probably acceptable - that is also what BoE is looking into.

When people express their opinions which are clearly beyond this, and try to justify those with "social justice" or "promoting diversity" or some other political correct reasons, it is likely they could be identified as "liberal hypocrites".

Given that we're all anonymous posters here, and on the Internet nobody knows you're a dog, there is no way for anybody to possibly know who is or is not a hypocrite.

No need to know more about "who". "Whoever posted that post" would typically be enough for forums like this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these privileged whiners should move down south where they'd fit right in.

And some of you social justice warriors are all just talk. Do you even have any real intimate friendships/relationships with anyone outside of your class or race? Sure you spend oodles of time reading articles upon articles about diversity and education all in the safety and comfort of your home or work offices but how much time and effort have you actually spent with those in the lower class? Have you ever been to any of their houses? Have you spoken to any of them in person? Have you ever invited them into your homes? Just a bunch of hypocrites and you know it, like the Northerners back then. History repeats itself.

My thoughts exactly. DCUM is full of liberal hypocrites.

+100

I know many of these in person. It’d be hilarious, except that I’m one of the ‘poors’ and see first-hand how the ridiculous SJW policies affect middle class communities on a daily basis. While the liberal hypocrites send their kids to private school and stay away from the ‘poor’ neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Different RM Asian parent poster -- I grew up lower income in a school where majority were black and hispanic.

Are there "liberal hypocrites"? Sure, just as there are "conservative hypocrites". But, I seriously doubt that the SJW on this forum advocating for equity of FARMs across the clusters are private school parents. I'm thinking the majority are from non wealthy areas.

To be fair, I would not want my kids to go to a school with a super high FARMs rate - like 40%+. While I'm sure many kids in such schools get a good education and do well (certainly was the case in my HS), IMO, such schools have too many issues that I don't want my kids or myself to have to deal with. Conversely, I wouldn't want my kids in a school where this is too much wealth. Those schools, too, have too many issues that I don't want my kids or myself to deal with.

IMO, schools like RM and Northwest have a good mix of SES (about a 20% FARMs rate) and race -- those schools are truly diverse. It would be awesome if more clusters could have that mix, but realistically, that's not going to happen. Doesn't mean MCPS shouldn't try if it's possible by moving around areas in neighboring clusters like they said they are going to do. Again, the aren't looking at busing cross county, only neighboring clusters.

Different people can certainly have different views on these social issues concerning diversity etc. For the MCPS schools part, a balanced view at this point would be minor boundary tweaks initialized by capacity issues are probably acceptable - that is also what BoE is looking into.

When people express their opinions which are clearly beyond this, and try to justify those with "social justice" or "promoting diversity" or some other political correct reasons, it is likely they could be identified as "liberal hypocrites".

Nice way to justify ad hominem attacks to avoid a thoughtful discussion of the actual issues.

"Justify"?

I don't see that in the PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

+100

I know many of these in person. It’d be hilarious, except that I’m one of the ‘poors’ and see first-hand how the ridiculous SJW policies affect middle class communities on a daily basis. While the liberal hypocrites send their kids to private school and stay away from the ‘poor’ neighborhoods.

I don't understand. Where do you have daily interactions with these liberal hypocrites who send their kids to private schools and post on the DCUM MD Public Schools forum (for some reason) in favor of the MCPS boundary analysis?

I mean, I do know some liberals who send their kids to private schools, for [reasons], but most of them know very little about MCPS and decline to express an opinion about MCPS boundary policies (or calendar policies, or whatever) for that very reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these privileged whiners should move down south where they'd fit right in.

And some of you social justice warriors are all just talk. Do you even have any real intimate friendships/relationships with anyone outside of your class or race? Sure you spend oodles of time reading articles upon articles about diversity and education all in the safety and comfort of your home or work offices but how much time and effort have you actually spent with those in the lower class? Have you ever been to any of their houses? Have you spoken to any of them in person? Have you ever invited them into your homes? Just a bunch of hypocrites and you know it, like the Northerners back then. History repeats itself.

My thoughts exactly. DCUM is full of liberal hypocrites.

+100

I know many of these in person. It’d be hilarious, except that I’m one of the ‘poors’ and see first-hand how the ridiculous SJW policies affect middle class communities on a daily basis. While the liberal hypocrites send their kids to private school and stay away from the ‘poor’ neighborhoods.

I'm one of the poors too -- I'm white and send my kid to MCPS. And I'm liberal. Go figure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

+100

I know many of these in person. It’d be hilarious, except that I’m one of the ‘poors’ and see first-hand how the ridiculous SJW policies affect middle class communities on a daily basis. While the liberal hypocrites send their kids to private school and stay away from the ‘poor’ neighborhoods.

I don't understand. Where do you have daily interactions with these liberal hypocrites who send their kids to private schools and post on the DCUM MD Public Schools forum (for some reason) in favor of the MCPS boundary analysis?

I mean, I do know some liberals who send their kids to private schools, for [reasons], but most of them know very little about MCPS and decline to express an opinion about MCPS boundary policies (or calendar policies, or whatever) for that very reason.

+1

[Anonymous]

I had no idea MCPS was on a path to destruction. This is the first I've heard of it.

But our child isn't "high performing," he's just a typical kid, lovin' life, so I guess this doesn't apply to us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had no idea MCPS was on a path to destruction. This is the first I've heard of it.

But our child isn't "high performing," he's just a typical kid, lovin' life, so I guess this doesn't apply to us.

Exactly -- my kid isn't high performing either and she's Asian. GASP.

[Anonymous]

`Stop being so myopic. socio economic is only part of it. MCPS is dumbing down everything. Let me list the ways.

#1 - 50% Rule. The lowest a kid can get is a 50% unless they don't turn it in then it sa zero. Thats county policy now but some schools ( 2 that I know of) have mad eit across the board 50% is as low as it goes regardless.

#2 NO MCPS Final exams. NONE. They have been removed for a few years. So kids have no experience with finals.

#3 Retake policy that is abused. Dont do well on a test , no problem, retake it.

# 4 Lack of enforcement of LC policy so student who are chronically absent don't loose credit.

I could go on "grade Inflation" and other issues. Some issues are driven by wacky state laws that schools have to abide by but the above are pure MCPS. Colleges know this as well. An A today in MCPS is not what it used to be. Standard have dropped considerably so MCPS can appear better than it is. IN MHO this was done to disguise the changing socio economic status. Take for example people who come from outside the country and come to MCPS without the ability to read, write, or speak english. The county has to accommodate that without making the HUGE disparity so obvious. How do you do that? The best teacher, school or program can only build on an individual's relative starting position. Just like the best coach or trainer in the world can go to a retirement home and recruit NFL players. So schools take in all sorts of peopl do the best they can but in the end have to hide the gap or they are labeled as failing or racist. It some cases that may exist but the large overwhelming majority do the best they can with a population that has less and less skill sets. MCPS and MC are proud of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:`Stop being so myopic. socio economic is only part of it. MCPS is dumbing down everything. Let me list the ways.

#1 - 50% Rule. The lowest a kid can get is a 50% unless they don't turn it in then it sa zero. Thats county policy now but some schools ( 2 that I know of) have mad eit across the board 50% is as low as it goes regardless.

#2 NO MCPS Final exams. NONE. They have been removed for a few years. So kids have no experience with finals.

#3 Retake policy that is abused. Dont do well on a test , no problem, retake it.

# 4 Lack of enforcement of LC policy so student who are chronically absent don't loose credit.

I could go on "grade Inflation" and other issues. Some issues are driven by wacky state laws that schools have to abide by but the above are pure MCPS. Colleges know this as well. An A today in MCPS is not what it used to be. Standard have dropped considerably so MCPS can appear better than it is. IN MHO this was done to disguise the changing socio economic status. Take for example people who come from outside the country and come to MCPS without the ability to read, write, or speak english. The county has to accommodate that without making the HUGE disparity so obvious. How do you do that? The best teacher, school or program can only build on an individual's relative starting position. Just like the best coach or trainer in the world can go to a retirement home and recruit NFL players. So schools take in all sorts of peopl do the best they can but in the end have to hide the gap or they are labeled as failing or racist. It some cases that may exist but the large overwhelming majority do the best they can with a population that has less and less skill sets. MCPS and MC are proud of it.

OMG - the sky is falling!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:`Stop being so myopic. socio economic is only part of it. MCPS is dumbing down everything. Let me list the ways.

#1 - 50% Rule. The lowest a kid can get is a 50% unless they don't turn it in then it sa zero. Thats county policy now but some schools ( 2 that I know of) have mad eit across the board 50% is as low as it goes regardless.

#2 NO MCPS Final exams. NONE. They have been removed for a few years. So kids have no experience with finals.

#3 Retake policy that is abused. Dont do well on a test , no problem, retake it.

# 4 Lack of enforcement of LC policy so student who are chronically absent don't loose credit.

I could go on "grade Inflation" and other issues. Some issues are driven by wacky state laws that schools have to abide by but the above are pure MCPS. Colleges know this as well. An A today in MCPS is not what it used to be. Standard have dropped considerably so MCPS can appear better than it is. IN MHO this was done to disguise the changing socio economic status. Take for example people who come from outside the country and come to MCPS without the ability to read, write, or speak english. The county has to accommodate that without making the HUGE disparity so obvious. How do you do that? The best teacher, school or program can only build on an individual's relative starting position. Just like the best coach or trainer in the world can go to a retirement home and recruit NFL players. So schools take in all sorts of peopl do the best they can but in the end have to hide the gap or they are labeled as failing or racist. It some cases that may exist but the large overwhelming majority do the best they can with a population that has less and less skill sets. MCPS and MC are proud of it.

I live in Loudon County and we have policies 1-3 as well. I am not sure about 4 but most teachers allow make ups even when absences are technically excused. It is not like MCPS has made these practices up. You may not agree with them but they have backing elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Moving to Howard. Better demographics and better schools.

?

They mean white. Hoco is much more segregated and Frederick xo is mostly white.

My kids go to the ‘good’ schools in Hoco. Their classmates are mostly white, Indian and Chinese for the most part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Moving to Howard. Better demographics and better schools.

?

They mean white. Hoco is much more segregated and Frederick xo is mostly white.

My kids go to the ‘good’ schools in Hoco. Their classmates are mostly white, Indian and Chinese for the most part.

ya, I'm trying to figure out what PP means about better demographics. I live in Clarksburg and I have a lot of neighbors from across the world- India, China, Japan, Korea, etc. Plus I have neighbors born in the U.S. (black, white, Latino, Asian, etc.) Are these not good demographics? Or is PP implying that white = good demographics? THat's just gross.

[Anonymous]

IMO, MCPS and Montgomery County is still influenced by its southern roots and progressive in name only.

Silver Spring and TP are full of people who think they are progressive as long as they don't have to deal with the homeless, their kids can go to private school or be safely guided into magnet classes away from the rest of the student body, sell their house and move west before high school, and get rid of the small corner stores with day laborers out front looking for honest work to build a whole foods. They like the label but don't believe in the philosophy because it doesn't benefit them.

There is passionate advocacy to address parking, shut down country clubs in Bethesda or wherever they happen to be (I have yet to see one), get more rec centers for their neighborhoods, get restaurants in walking distance and generally make their area less diverse.