Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?

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All these privileged whiners should move down south where they'd fit right in.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost certainly won’t move. I went to lousy public schools and turned out fine. Motivated high-achieving students will do fine anywhere. Plus it’s good to go to diverse schools—helps you learn how to deal with people of different backgrounds and with different approaches to life.

If we moved anyplace, it would be DC, just for shorter commutes as we both work downtown.

My hard-working daughter kept asking why everyone around her received As - and why the majority of the school made honor roll.

We're in Frederick now.

I'm ok with that, you're ok with that - win-win.

very OK with that in all honesty

- former MCPS teacher with over 25 years in (huge cut in pay . . . And I'm fine with it.)

And here you are again.
Life must be boring up there in Fredneck.

I think that she just has to keep justifying the move to herself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All these privileged whiners should move down south where they'd fit right in.

And some of you social justice warriors are all just talk. Do you even have any real intimate friendships/relationships with anyone outside of your class or race? Sure you spend oodles of time reading articles upon articles about diversity and education all in the safety and comfort of your home or work offices but how much time and effort have you actually spent with those in the lower class? Have you ever been to any of their houses? Have you spoken to any of them in person? Have you ever invited them into your homes? Just a bunch of hypocrites and you know it, like the Northerners back then. History repeats itself.

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Anonymous wrote:All these privileged whiners should move down south where they'd fit right in.

And some of you social justice warriors are all just talk. Do you even have any real intimate friendships/relationships with anyone outside of your class or race? Sure you spend oodles of time reading articles upon articles about diversity and education all in the safety and comfort of your home or work offices but how much time and effort have you actually spent with those in the lower class? Have you ever been to any of their houses? Have you spoken to any of them in person? Have you ever invited them into your homes? Just a bunch of hypocrites and you know it, like the Northerners back then. History repeats itself.

My thoughts exactly. DCUM is full of liberal hypocrites.

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Anonymous wrote:All these privileged whiners should move down south where they'd fit right in.

And some of you social justice warriors are all just talk. Do you even have any real intimate friendships/relationships with anyone outside of your class or race? Sure you spend oodles of time reading articles upon articles about diversity and education all in the safety and comfort of your home or work offices but how much time and effort have you actually spent with those in the lower class? Have you ever been to any of their houses? Have you spoken to any of them in person? Have you ever invited them into your homes? Just a bunch of hypocrites and you know it, like the Northerners back then. History repeats itself.

My thoughts exactly. DCUM is full of liberal hypocrites.

My best guess is that many have children in private schools. The loudest social justice warrior in my Facebook feed does.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this panic all from the county THINKING about putting "poors" in your precious schools?

For some, I think that is what it is about. For me, as a child of busing, I actually specifically chose where I live in MoCo so that my child can attend high quality schools without having to take a bus ever.

I would also say that, as a child of busing, while it was a good experience in many ways, I was also exposed to things at a very young age that I shouldn't have been and that still stay with me today (stabbings, gun suicides, gang fights, etc.). Sure that is the "real world", but the world where this stuff doesn't happen is also the "real world" too.

Beyond that, my kid has a hard time concentrating in class and adding more kids that act out in class to distract her from her work is not going to help her education. It actually actively hurts.

I have also learned over time that the difference between bad schools and great schools is not the hardware, but the software. It's like that chemistry that makes a winning sports team. It is hard to get and requires the time, money and dedication of a lot of people. If there are perceived to be free riders (as they say in economics), then what happens over time is that the impetus for parent to donate and volunteer, and for the teachers themselves to go the extra mile gets diminished.

The solution to poverty is not to try and dilute it, because that doesn't work, but to address its causes.

Actually, the studies indicate that is the solution.

Not really. truth is there have always been ghettos, there has always been under-classes, there has always been little hope for ways out for the people at the bottom and capitalism at its very core requires an exploited class (producing) AND a working poor class ( distributing) that comprises a very large segment of society. Someone has to sell shoes and sweep floors

You can pick different winners and losers or shine the spot light on specific disenfranchised and effect local change but it is all redistribution at some point. The studies you speak of, talk losely about individual social mobility for specific children who benefit from want amounts to supplementing/subsidizing their exsistince to replicate a higher standard of living. That has show to increase the likely hood of better results for kids with lower expectations. That said those kids still fail at greater rates and the rate of return hasn’t been analyzed to show if other methods shed greater results. That and there isn’t enough $$$ to treat all the poor kids to the rich kid lifestyle so those kids shipped to “good schools” will leave bad schools full of kids behind.

i think this brings up a point.

Are be bring the concentrated schools down out of fairness to the undesirable ones or are trying to fix something that is still getting worse?

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Anonymous wrote:All these privileged whiners should move down south where they'd fit right in.

And some of you social justice warriors are all just talk. Do you even have any real intimate friendships/relationships with anyone outside of your class or race? Sure you spend oodles of time reading articles upon articles about diversity and education all in the safety and comfort of your home or work offices but how much time and effort have you actually spent with those in the lower class? Have you ever been to any of their houses? Have you spoken to any of them in person? Have you ever invited them into your homes? Just a bunch of hypocrites and you know it, like the Northerners back then. History repeats itself.

Is this intended as some kind of gotcha question? I can easily answer yes to all of the above. Admittedly, I've only had a few close friends, over my entire life, who were from a different "class". But, bonding with people from other races is not hard. Judging by the number of mixed race families in our neighborhood, I'm not a unicorn.

Honestly, the fact that other posters endorsed your comment worries me about the level of segregation in this area.

-Yet another Asian parent in the RM cluster

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Anonymous wrote:All these privileged whiners should move down south where they'd fit right in.

And some of you social justice warriors are all just talk. Do you even have any real intimate friendships/relationships with anyone outside of your class or race? Sure you spend oodles of time reading articles upon articles about diversity and education all in the safety and comfort of your home or work offices but how much time and effort have you actually spent with those in the lower class? Have you ever been to any of their houses? Have you spoken to any of them in person? Have you ever invited them into your homes? Just a bunch of hypocrites and you know it, like the Northerners back then. History repeats itself.

Is this intended as some kind of gotcha question? I can easily answer yes to all of the above. Admittedly, I've only had a few close friends, over my entire life, who were from a different "class". But, bonding with people from other races is not hard. Judging by the number of mixed race families in our neighborhood, I'm not a unicorn.

Honestly, the fact that other posters endorsed your comment worries me about the level of segregation in this area.

-Yet another Asian parent in the RM cluster

I am pretty sure there are many people like you so you are clearly not alone.

However, apparently the PPs were addressing "social justice warriors" or "liberal hypocrites". You will have to fit in that category as well to counter their arguments. Do you?

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Anonymous wrote:All these privileged whiners should move down south where they'd fit right in.

And some of you social justice warriors are all just talk. Do you even have any real intimate friendships/relationships with anyone outside of your class or race? Sure you spend oodles of time reading articles upon articles about diversity and education all in the safety and comfort of your home or work offices but how much time and effort have you actually spent with those in the lower class? Have you ever been to any of their houses? Have you spoken to any of them in person? Have you ever invited them into your homes? Just a bunch of hypocrites and you know it, like the Northerners back then. History repeats itself.

Is this intended as some kind of gotcha question? I can easily answer yes to all of the above. Admittedly, I've only had a few close friends, over my entire life, who were from a different "class". But, bonding with people from other races is not hard. Judging by the number of mixed race families in our neighborhood, I'm not a unicorn.

Honestly, the fact that other posters endorsed your comment worries me about the level of segregation in this area.

-Yet another Asian parent in the RM cluster

I am pretty sure there are many people like you so you are clearly not alone.

However, apparently the PPs were addressing "social justice warriors" or "liberal hypocrites". You will have to fit in that category as well to counter their arguments. Do you?

NP -- I don't even know what a social justice warrior is supposed to mean. But like poster above - I can say yes I have friends from different races and classes. And yes I'm liberal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these privileged whiners should move down south where they'd fit right in.

And some of you social justice warriors are all just talk. Do you even have any real intimate friendships/relationships with anyone outside of your class or race? Sure you spend oodles of time reading articles upon articles about diversity and education all in the safety and comfort of your home or work offices but how much time and effort have you actually spent with those in the lower class? Have you ever been to any of their houses? Have you spoken to any of them in person? Have you ever invited them into your homes? Just a bunch of hypocrites and you know it, like the Northerners back then. History repeats itself.

Is this intended as some kind of gotcha question? I can easily answer yes to all of the above. Admittedly, I've only had a few close friends, over my entire life, who were from a different "class". But, bonding with people from other races is not hard. Judging by the number of mixed race families in our neighborhood, I'm not a unicorn.

Honestly, the fact that other posters endorsed your comment worries me about the level of segregation in this area.

-Yet another Asian parent in the RM cluster

I am pretty sure there are many people like you so you are clearly not alone.

However, apparently the PPs were addressing "social justice warriors" or "liberal hypocrites". You will have to fit in that category as well to counter their arguments. Do you?

Different RM Asian parent poster -- I grew up lower income in a school where majority were black and hispanic.

Are there "liberal hypocrites"? Sure, just as there are "conservative hypocrites". But, I seriously doubt that the SJW on this forum advocating for equity of FARMs across the clusters are private school parents. I'm thinking the majority are from non wealthy areas.

To be fair, I would not want my kids to go to a school with a super high FARMs rate - like 40%+. While I'm sure many kids in such schools get a good education and do well (certainly was the case in my HS), IMO, such schools have too many issues that I don't want my kids or myself to have to deal with. Conversely, I wouldn't want my kids in a school where this is too much wealth. Those schools, too, have too many issues that I don't want my kids or myself to deal with.

IMO, schools like RM and Northwest have a good mix of SES (about a 20% FARMs rate) and race -- those schools are truly diverse. It would be awesome if more clusters could have that mix, but realistically, that's not going to happen. Doesn't mean MCPS shouldn't try if it's possible by moving around areas in neighboring clusters like they said they are going to do. Again, the aren't looking at busing cross county, only neighboring clusters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these privileged whiners should move down south where they'd fit right in.

And some of you social justice warriors are all just talk. Do you even have any real intimate friendships/relationships with anyone outside of your class or race? Sure you spend oodles of time reading articles upon articles about diversity and education all in the safety and comfort of your home or work offices but how much time and effort have you actually spent with those in the lower class? Have you ever been to any of their houses? Have you spoken to any of them in person? Have you ever invited them into your homes? Just a bunch of hypocrites and you know it, like the Northerners back then. History repeats itself.

Is this intended as some kind of gotcha question? I can easily answer yes to all of the above. Admittedly, I've only had a few close friends, over my entire life, who were from a different "class". But, bonding with people from other races is not hard. Judging by the number of mixed race families in our neighborhood, I'm not a unicorn.

Honestly, the fact that other posters endorsed your comment worries me about the level of segregation in this area.

-Yet another Asian parent in the RM cluster

I am pretty sure there are many people like you so you are clearly not alone.

However, apparently the PPs were addressing "social justice warriors" or "liberal hypocrites". You will have to fit in that category as well to counter their arguments. Do you?

Different RM Asian parent poster -- I grew up lower income in a school where majority were black and hispanic.

Are there "liberal hypocrites"? Sure, just as there are "conservative hypocrites". But, I seriously doubt that the SJW on this forum advocating for equity of FARMs across the clusters are private school parents. I'm thinking the majority are from non wealthy areas.

To be fair, I would not want my kids to go to a school with a super high FARMs rate - like 40%+. While I'm sure many kids in such schools get a good education and do well (certainly was the case in my HS), IMO, such schools have too many issues that I don't want my kids or myself to have to deal with. Conversely, I wouldn't want my kids in a school where this is too much wealth. Those schools, too, have too many issues that I don't want my kids or myself to deal with.

IMO, schools like RM and Northwest have a good mix of SES (about a 20% FARMs rate) and race -- those schools are truly diverse. It would be awesome if more clusters could have that mix, but realistically, that's not going to happen. Doesn't mean MCPS shouldn't try if it's possible by moving around areas in neighboring clusters like they said they are going to do. Again, the aren't looking at busing cross county, only neighboring clusters.

I was NP who posted above this -- yes our High School is Northwest. I agree with what you've said.

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Anonymous wrote:
I am pretty sure there are many people like you so you are clearly not alone.

However, apparently the PPs were addressing "social justice warriors" or "liberal hypocrites". You will have to fit in that category as well to counter their arguments. Do you?

NP -- I don't even know what a social justice warrior is supposed to mean. But like poster above - I can say yes I have friends from different races and classes. And yes I'm liberal.

I guess (I could be wrong) "social justice warriors" or "liberal hypocrites" probably refer to those people proposing or supporting some measures for social justice (for diversity, against segregation, etc) that people consider too much.

Of course, how much is too much, is probably something people can't easily agree on.

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NP -- I don't even know what a social justice warrior is supposed to mean. But like poster above - I can say yes I have friends from different races and classes. And yes I'm liberal.

DP.

derogatory, informal
A person who expresses or promotes socially progressive views.

‘these social justice warriors want to apply their politically correct standards and rules to others' speech’

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/social_justice_warrior

So, really, what "social justice warrior" means is, "You are a social liberal, and that threatens me, so I will insult you." It's weird, too, because who would stand up and say, "I'm for social injustice!" (in so many words)?

[Anonymous]

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Different RM Asian parent poster -- I grew up lower income in a school where majority were black and hispanic.

Are there "liberal hypocrites"? Sure, just as there are "conservative hypocrites". But, I seriously doubt that the SJW on this forum advocating for equity of FARMs across the clusters are private school parents. I'm thinking the majority are from non wealthy areas.

To be fair, I would not want my kids to go to a school with a super high FARMs rate - like 40%+. While I'm sure many kids in such schools get a good education and do well (certainly was the case in my HS), IMO, such schools have too many issues that I don't want my kids or myself to have to deal with. Conversely, I wouldn't want my kids in a school where this is too much wealth. Those schools, too, have too many issues that I don't want my kids or myself to deal with.

IMO, schools like RM and Northwest have a good mix of SES (about a 20% FARMs rate) and race -- those schools are truly diverse. It would be awesome if more clusters could have that mix, but realistically, that's not going to happen. Doesn't mean MCPS shouldn't try if it's possible by moving around areas in neighboring clusters like they said they are going to do. Again, the aren't looking at busing cross county, only neighboring clusters.

Different people can certainly have different views on these social issues concerning diversity etc. For the MCPS schools part, a balanced view at this point would be minor boundary tweaks initialized by capacity issues are probably acceptable - that is also what BoE is looking into.

When people express their opinions which are clearly beyond this, and try to justify those with "social justice" or "promoting diversity" or some other political correct reasons, it is likely they could be identified as "liberal hypocrites".

[Anonymous]

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Different people can certainly have different views on these social issues concerning diversity etc. For the MCPS schools part, a balanced view at this point would be minor boundary tweaks initialized by capacity issues are probably acceptable - that is also what BoE is looking into.

When people express their opinions which are clearly beyond this, and try to justify those with "social justice" or "promoting diversity" or some other political correct reasons, it is likely they could be identified as "liberal hypocrites".

Given that we're all anonymous posters here, and on the Internet nobody knows you're a dog, there is no way for anybody to possibly know who is or is not a hypocrite.