Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

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Anonymous wrote:And this is why colleges are businesses and no longer for advancing your education. Between athletics and the crazy money many professors get paid....it’s all about the money. Save your money and kids go to a tech school, learn a trade.....much more useful. You’ll come out with 20000 of debt vs 70000+.

What?? Professors are notoriously underpaid for their expertise and education level. They often go to school for 10+ years to get the job, only a few get a tenure track position where they then spend 6 years with minimal pay raises and where they might lose their livelihood after that point if they don't publish enough, get high quality teaching marks and acquire grants. There are problems with the cost of college but it is really not a cause of overpaying professors.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Down falls another pillar of what used to make us better than many foreign lands.

This headline is THE definitive answer to all of those people who whine about affirmative action.[/quote]

Affirmative action is for the poor to counter the bribes? Huh ?[/quote]

This scandal shows that wealthy people are more than willing to use their privilege to cheat their way into institutions that they couldn't get into otherwise.

Black and Latino kids are usually assumed to have only gotten in because of their race.

But I can promise that no AA candidate's mom paid someone to boost their SAT score from 1020 to 1420 they way Huffman did.[/quote]

Everybody that test preps is paying to boost their kids SAT score. [/quote]

Are you seriously comparing open/honest test prep with paying someone to actually take the test for you or bribing a university official to help get your kid admitted? That's like comparing dieting and exercising to getting liposuction and tummy tucks. There is a difference between what you actually DO and what is done for you.[/quote]

I'm saying that test prep does not show the actual ability of the kid compared to the kids that don't test prep.

It's more like give your kid organic veggies and fruits and give another kid oodles of noodles and mac and cheese ... then compare their weight and say your kid worked harder. They didn't... they were given better food. Your kid isn't better... their SAT score is manipulated by the Test prep. If you kid was so smart they would not need to test prep... but since everybody test preps you have to.

It's like football players who don't do steroids are expected to compete against players that do take steroids... it's unfair. [/quote]

If my kid chose to spend his Saturday afternoons doing test prep than he probably should do better on a test that another kid didn't bother to take seriously. There is so much free test prep out there now and you can google testing strategies. That's not cheating, that is called being prepared for an important test.

Students have been test prepping for a long time - I attended a test prep at my HS 35 years ago. Had I not taken the math courses and English courses leading up to the SAT, all the test prep in the world wouldn't have helped me to learn the material. Prep was more about getting familiarized with the test and learning test taking strategies.

Openly prepping for a test in an above board manner is NOT the same thing as being given a cheat sheet or paying someone to take the test for you or cheating off of the person sitting next to you. [/quote]

So your entitled child never has to work... nice. Perfect that is what we need another entitle kid running the world.

Do the world a favor, make him get a job Junior year of HS and see what it is really like to work hard for grades.

Are you people real or bots?[/quote]

ARe YOU for real? So what you're advocating is that kids should not prepare in anyway for the SAT? Wing and prayer it? As much as you want to present yourself as some "real world" paragon, you actually don't live in the real world at all. People prepare for big events in their lives. Tests, job interviews, presentations, meetings, etc. [/quote]

God forbid we use 12 years of education as "Prep".

Your feeding the machine ... and seem pretty sure it's s good model.

How about we find Test Prep for all... you okay with that or do you hate that idea because your kids advantage will be erased.

You vapid response is telling.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone donate to a fake charity to get their kids into college when it's legal to just donate to the university to get your kids in?

It's in the transcript. A real donation would need to be 10x as much. They wanted the cheap way in.

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Anonymous wrote:And this is why colleges are businesses and no longer for advancing your education. Between athletics and the crazy money many professors get paid....it’s all about the money. Save your money and kids go to a tech school, learn a trade.....much more useful. You’ll come out with 20000 of debt vs 70000+.

What?? Professors are notoriously underpaid for their expertise and education level. They often go to school for 10+ years to get the job, only a few get a tenure track position where they then spend 6 years with minimal pay raises and where they might lose their livelihood after that point if they don't publish enough, get high quality teaching marks and acquire grants. There are problems with the cost of college but it is really not a cause of overpaying professors.

Agreed. Administration boom and out of control construction is the problem.

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This CEO paid the bribe money to Singer’s “foundation” from... his family’s foundation. Oops.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-man-behind-the-alleged-25-million-college-admissions-cheating-scandal-11552422678

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Anonymous wrote:And this is why colleges are businesses and no longer for advancing your education. Between athletics and the crazy money many professors get paid....it’s all about the money. Save your money and kids go to a tech school, learn a trade.....much more useful. You’ll come out with 20000 of debt vs 70000+.

What?? Professors are notoriously underpaid for their expertise and education level. They often go to school for 10+ years to get the job, only a few get a tenure track position where they then spend 6 years with minimal pay raises and where they might lose their livelihood after that point if they don't publish enough, get high quality teaching marks and acquire grants. There are problems with the cost of college but it is really not a cause of overpaying professors.

The pay problems for full professors at top 50 schools are largely a thing of the past. In any event, the real bloat is at the administration level. A full freight sucker’s check is going in part to pay some vp of this or that 300k a year plus full tuition benefits for their kids. It’s an ugly thing to look when you lift the rock up.

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Anonymous wrote:University of San Diego was on the list. Not UC San Diego, but University of San Diego, a private catholic school in SD.

Being from San Diego, I surprised that anyone would need bribes to get admitted there. I mean it’s not a cheap school and the campus is nice, but it’s not known for its academic rigor. The selling point is supposed to be its Catholic values. LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who are surprised by this white people who have been lying to themselves all this time about this so-called “merit” that they think explains why they have such a leg up over minorities. Speaking as a black woman who was a national merit scholar, I worked a lot harder with a lot more honesty to get where I am today than my white peers did.

You clearly have anger and jealousy issues.

PP here. Sorry the truth hurts.

White female National Merit Scholar from a lower middle class family (a really one, not DCUM "LMC") here. You just keep telling yourself what you need to to make yourself feel better.

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Anonymous wrote:The best form of reparations would mean making top 25 private instutions only open to blacks and urms (tuition and boarding free) while forcing whites to go to state schools.

It gives blacks a larger pool of 'leadership class' and accelerates more of them into the top 5% while also giving incentives to umc whites to vote to raise taxes to fund public secondary and tertiary education more since now they are more likeyl to go there.

Not the way affirmative action is being done today where professional black families are getting the benefit. I say economic affirmative action is what is needed -poverty knows no race - help every kid that needs it

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Anonymous wrote:Why they need to bribe? Why not just donate like everyone else does?

That's the part that baffles. Why not just donate a wing?

From the articles, it seems Lori Loughlin paid $500K to have her daughters designated as crew recruits, even though they didn't even do crew.

What in the wat??

This is the part I don't completely get. Are they just creating a crew athlete profile to make it seem like they are talented rowers? I guess the idea was that they would then be accepted as athletes, but then wouldn't actually be on the team?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a list of all of the colleges involved?

Harvard, Yale, Stanford, University of Southern California, UCLA, and Georgetown

No Harvard fool

Harvard is certainly part of the list.

Apparently they keep super-qualified Asian Americans out so they have a few spots for the dumb kids of Hollywood celebs.

Harvard is not listed in this indictment. You can accuse them all you like, but, as of now, they have not been named in this scandal

Page 122: WILSON also sought to use bribes to obtain the admission of
his two daughters to Stanford University and Harvard University as recruited athletes.

Page 128: In a call on or about November 29, 2018, CW-1, at the direction of law
enforcement agents, told WILSON that he had secured an admissions spot at Harvard through a
fictitious “senior women’s administrator,” and that, in exchange for a $500,000 payment to her,
the administrator would designate one of WILSON’s daughters as an athletic recruit.


Page 129: During the call, CW-1 told WILSON he would need another $500,000 payment to
secure the spot at Harvard. Thereafter, on or about December 11, 2018, WILSON’s company
wired another $500,000 to the Massachusetts account in the name of KWF.

Dude -

CW-1 was SINGER. And he said this "at the direction of law enforcement agents". Meaning, it was a LIE to bait WILSON.

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Wake Forest is a sought after school?

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wow Wilkie Farr firm co-chair did this for his dumb daughter (who was scoring a 22 on practice ACT's). that's absurdly low.

"- I think her highest score so
far is a 22, andshe’ll probably get up to a 24 on her next practice test. The fact that
this could be different than what she had been showing on the practice test--
CW-1 What-- so you tell me if you want-- would [you] prefer to have her get a 28? 27?
28? 29? Probably based on what you’re just telling me right now, right, that--
maybe that’s a better approach, because that’s still a very good score with her
abilities and disability but--
CAPLAN Well, I-- I’m thinking 30, 31 is all we need to do here.
CW-1 Okay. Done deal. Done deal. It’ll be-- it’ll be 30, 31. So what happens is the test is
curved. I don’t know if you know that. The test is curved against everybody in the
country. So it can-- we can be one question off, or two questions off, and it can
be a 30,it can be a 31. It may be a 29. It could be a 32. Just depends on the curve
of the day. But it’ll be-- it’ll be right there.
CAPLAN But what I’m asking you is, will that be an issue? So when Logic Prep asks us,
well, how did she score,will they say, “Hmm?”
CW-1 So - well, I don’t think it matters what theysay, because at the end of the day she
had a great day,they get credit for her doing really well andthey have nothing to
do with ACT and/or the colleges she’s going to apply [to].
CAPLAN And they don’t feel incumbent on them to say this issuspicious?"

he later says the doctored score can't be higher than 32 because if it gets too high "It’s just-- it’s just going to be hard to justify in light-- light of-- [CW-1] look--
"

it'll be too suspicious because even dad knows how dumb she is.

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“These were not all naïve young coaches. Jovan Vavic, the USC water polo coach named in the indictment, has won 14 national championships. Fourteen! Yet (if you believe the indictment) Vavic apparently believed he could sneak a couple of fake recruits past the admissions committee. Vavic allegedly did this in exchange for private-school tuition for his own children.”
https://www.si.com/more-sports/2019/03/12/ncaa-admissions-scandal-usc-yale-texas-felicity-huffman-lori-loughlin

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a list of all of the colleges involved?

Harvard, Yale, Stanford, University of Southern California, UCLA, and Georgetown

No Harvard fool

Harvard is certainly part of the list.

Apparently they keep super-qualified Asian Americans out so they have a few spots for the dumb kids of Hollywood celebs.

Harvard is not listed in this indictment. You can accuse them all you like, but, as of now, they have not been named in this scandal

Because these are coaches who took bribes for themselves. Harvard and all the elite schools do participate in these types of activities but in the form of buildings, lectures series, donations to the athletic programs, etc - we see this a lot at our private school: the college counselor facilitates the conversation. Do you really think a top field hockey recruit could come from the NE? The private school we know no longer publishes kids academic distinctions - too many questions of why kids without any academic merit are “recruited” to ivies