2024 JonBenet Documentary

[Anonymous]

Cyril Wecht forensic pathologist-

"As more of the autopsy report was released, he felt more certain of his analysis, and recent events appear to bear him out.

"I have learned that the police called in three separate child sexual abuse experts," he reports. "They separately and independently came to the same conclusion that there was evidence of prior sexual abuse. Not that I needed anybody to hold my hand, but for saying that same thing I took abuse on national television from self-appointed Ramsey defenders and sycophants. But it's the most ridiculous thing in the world, a little girl with half of the hymen gone and she's dead, and you've got a tiny abrasion, a tiny contusion and a chronic inflammation of vaginal mucosa. That means it happened more than 72 hours earlier; we don't know how long, or how often it was repeated, but chronic means it wasn't from that night. This was a tragic, tragic accident. This was a game that had been played before."

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, weird poster- since you’re the only one who thinks there was no past abuse (out of like, everyone in the world who read about the case, not just based on her pediatrician who didn’t want to lose his license so of course he’d say she “looked happy and healthy” which I think were his words- mind you this was the 90s so there was much less awareness of SA in kids for pediatricians) , show us the report that says there was no prior sexual abuse. Show the autopsy report and the medical examiner report that says there was none.

Like, OMG. If you make the claim “prior sexual abuse” it’s up to you to prove it or back it up. Which you can’t seem to do.

Ok here is the first google result since you can’t apparently use google
https://extras.denverpost.com/news/jon22.htm

I can also link the autopsy , but you have to interpret the findings. For example the hyperemia. The coroner is not going to say why it’s there.
https://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/ramsey,%20jonbenet_report.pdf

Now we have to interpret the findings? Come on. Your facts aren’t facts.

How is the literal autopsy "not facts"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cyril Wecht forensic pathologist-

"As more of the autopsy report was released, he felt more certain of his analysis, and recent events appear to bear him out.

"I have learned that the police called in three separate child sexual abuse experts," he reports. "They separately and independently came to the same conclusion that there was evidence of prior sexual abuse. Not that I needed anybody to hold my hand, but for saying that same thing I took abuse on national television from self-appointed Ramsey defenders and sycophants. But it's the most ridiculous thing in the world, a little girl with half of the hymen gone and she's dead, and you've got a tiny abrasion, a tiny contusion and a chronic inflammation of vaginal mucosa. That means it happened more than 72 hours earlier; we don't know how long, or how often it was repeated, but chronic means it wasn't from that night. This was a tragic, tragic accident. This was a game that had been played before."

There is a poster who will say this still isn't sufficient, mind you

[Anonymous]

They lawyered up and wouldn't let the son talk to police.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cyril Wecht forensic pathologist-

"As more of the autopsy report was released, he felt more certain of his analysis, and recent events appear to bear him out.

"I have learned that the police called in three separate child sexual abuse experts," he reports. "They separately and independently came to the same conclusion that there was evidence of prior sexual abuse. Not that I needed anybody to hold my hand, but for saying that same thing I took abuse on national television from self-appointed Ramsey defenders and sycophants. But it's the most ridiculous thing in the world, a little girl with half of the hymen gone and she's dead, and you've got a tiny abrasion, a tiny contusion and a chronic inflammation of vaginal mucosa. That means it happened more than 72 hours earlier; we don't know how long, or how often it was repeated, but chronic means it wasn't from that night. This was a tragic, tragic accident. This was a game that had been played before."

There is a poster who will say this still isn't sufficient, mind you

There is disagreement among experts. Why is your expert definitive and another is not? Right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cyril Wecht forensic pathologist-

"As more of the autopsy report was released, he felt more certain of his analysis, and recent events appear to bear him out.

"I have learned that the police called in three separate child sexual abuse experts," he reports. "They separately and independently came to the same conclusion that there was evidence of prior sexual abuse. Not that I needed anybody to hold my hand, but for saying that same thing I took abuse on national television from self-appointed Ramsey defenders and sycophants. But it's the most ridiculous thing in the world, a little girl with half of the hymen gone and she's dead, and you've got a tiny abrasion, a tiny contusion and a chronic inflammation of vaginal mucosa. That means it happened more than 72 hours earlier; we don't know how long, or how often it was repeated, but chronic means it wasn't from that night. This was a tragic, tragic accident. This was a game that had been played before."

There is a poster who will say this still isn't sufficient, mind you

There is disagreement among experts. Why is your expert definitive and another is not? Right.

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Nothing is definitive at all about this case, frustratingly, but expert opinions seem to be 4 to 1 in favor of prior abuse, sadly for the poor child.

I hope new evidence comes to light that can find her killer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cyril Wecht forensic pathologist-

"As more of the autopsy report was released, he felt more certain of his analysis, and recent events appear to bear him out.

"I have learned that the police called in three separate child sexual abuse experts," he reports. "They separately and independently came to the same conclusion that there was evidence of prior sexual abuse. Not that I needed anybody to hold my hand, but for saying that same thing I took abuse on national television from self-appointed Ramsey defenders and sycophants. But it's the most ridiculous thing in the world, a little girl with half of the hymen gone and she's dead, and you've got a tiny abrasion, a tiny contusion and a chronic inflammation of vaginal mucosa. That means it happened more than 72 hours earlier; we don't know how long, or how often it was repeated, but chronic means it wasn't from that night. This was a tragic, tragic accident. This was a game that had been played before."

There is a poster who will say this still isn't sufficient, mind you

There is disagreement among experts. Why is your expert definitive and another is not? Right.

I'm glad you're not clinging to "no signs of prior abuse!!!! none!!!" anymore at least.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cyril Wecht forensic pathologist-

"As more of the autopsy report was released, he felt more certain of his analysis, and recent events appear to bear him out.

"I have learned that the police called in three separate child sexual abuse experts," he reports. "They separately and independently came to the same conclusion that there was evidence of prior sexual abuse. Not that I needed anybody to hold my hand, but for saying that same thing I took abuse on national television from self-appointed Ramsey defenders and sycophants. But it's the most ridiculous thing in the world, a little girl with half of the hymen gone and she's dead, and you've got a tiny abrasion, a tiny contusion and a chronic inflammation of vaginal mucosa. That means it happened more than 72 hours earlier; we don't know how long, or how often it was repeated, but chronic means it wasn't from that night. This was a tragic, tragic accident. This was a game that had been played before."

There is a poster who will say this still isn't sufficient, mind you

There is disagreement among experts. Why is your expert definitive and another is not? Right.

I'm glad you're not clinging to "no signs of prior abuse!!!! none!!!" anymore at least.

You should learn the difference between facts and opinions. Please quote the post that says what you said it did, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cyril Wecht forensic pathologist-

"As more of the autopsy report was released, he felt more certain of his analysis, and recent events appear to bear him out.

"I have learned that the police called in three separate child sexual abuse experts," he reports. "They separately and independently came to the same conclusion that there was evidence of prior sexual abuse. Not that I needed anybody to hold my hand, but for saying that same thing I took abuse on national television from self-appointed Ramsey defenders and sycophants. But it's the most ridiculous thing in the world, a little girl with half of the hymen gone and she's dead, and you've got a tiny abrasion, a tiny contusion and a chronic inflammation of vaginal mucosa. That means it happened more than 72 hours earlier; we don't know how long, or how often it was repeated, but chronic means it wasn't from that night. This was a tragic, tragic accident. This was a game that had been played before."

There is a poster who will say this still isn't sufficient, mind you

There is disagreement among experts. Why is your expert definitive and another is not? Right.

I'm glad you're not clinging to "no signs of prior abuse!!!! none!!!" anymore at least.

I've only posted once, saying the conclusion was not definitive either way. There is a lot of bias and misinformation in this case that's difficult to sort through.

[Anonymous]

I don't think it was Burke for the simple reason that he's never done anything like that since. Kids who do terrible things like that (and who are too young for the official psychopath/sociopath diagnosis), are not people who are one-and-done. They have repeating patterns. They escalate. They start with animals and move on to humans. They start with a weaker child and then work their way up to adults.

Even if it was some kind of accident, he'd have to have sociopathic traits to not have something like that affect his entire life. From what I've heard, he's a well-adjusted adult.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No intruder wrote that absurd long ass fake random note. Everything else is hogwash.

A sadistic killer who just wants to mess with everyone, that’s who. Not a normal suburban housewife. She didn’t write the letter then go violently and maliciously murder her daughter.

But why would you take paper from their home and sit in the house and write it?? And risk being caught? That's just crazy.

He doesn’t seem to be a stranger, knowing the bonus amount. Maybe he was in the house previously and grabbed the paper as he planned his crime.

And wrote drafts on the notepad while at their house? No.

While at the house? Says who?

there was a draft of the note on the notepad, which was Patsy's notepad. I guess it is possible someone stole the notepad, used it, and brought it back. I wonder if they looked for fingerprints or DNA on the notepad?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it was Burke for the simple reason that he's never done anything like that since. Kids who do terrible things like that (and who are too young for the official psychopath/sociopath diagnosis), are not people who are one-and-done. They have repeating patterns. They escalate. They start with animals and move on to humans. They start with a weaker child and then work their way up to adults.

Even if it was some kind of accident, he'd have to have sociopathic traits to not have something like that affect his entire life. From what I've heard, he's a well-adjusted adult.

I agree, if he really did it at that age I think it would be an almost certainty that trouble would continue to follow him through adolescence. Yet nothing negative has come out since then.

I also don't think John Ramsey had anything to do with it. He's already been cleared by police and could easily go into hiding, but he seems genuinely motivated to find out what happened. He's nothing like OJ and his pursuit of "the real killer." As for Patsy, I don't know what to think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it was Burke for the simple reason that he's never done anything like that since. Kids who do terrible things like that (and who are too young for the official psychopath/sociopath diagnosis), are not people who are one-and-done. They have repeating patterns. They escalate. They start with animals and move on to humans. They start with a weaker child and then work their way up to adults.

Even if it was some kind of accident, he'd have to have sociopathic traits to not have something like that affect his entire life. From what I've heard, he's a well-adjusted adult.

Similar story with the parents. No one has any history of violence or criminal activity.

To wake up one day and have a family conspiracy to murder and sexually assault their 6 year old daughter is crazy.

Similar to many events, the media did a hit job on the family and people believed it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it was Burke for the simple reason that he's never done anything like that since. Kids who do terrible things like that (and who are too young for the official psychopath/sociopath diagnosis), are not people who are one-and-done. They have repeating patterns. They escalate. They start with animals and move on to humans. They start with a weaker child and then work their way up to adults.

Even if it was some kind of accident, he'd have to have sociopathic traits to not have something like that affect his entire life. From what I've heard, he's a well-adjusted adult.

If it was Burke (and I do think it was Burke) it seems likely that he was not being adequately treated for his psychological issues prior to jonbenets death. However, he did receive treatment for at least a year and a half after jonbenets death. John Ramsey told Lou Smit in a 1998 interview that he (John) was taking medication prescribed to him by burkes psychiatrist - not unusual given the circumstances for a grieving parent, but interesting for John to offer that Burke was still being treated by a psychiatrist (not a psychologist) 18 months after the fact when his parents insisted he’d slept through the whole ordeal. It is entirely possible that Burkes parents got him adequate treatment for his psychological issues after jonbenets death and once medicated his behavioral issues were controlled.

Let’s not forget that Burke hit jonbenet in the head with a golf club two years prior, two days after her birthday. And somebody was defecating in her bedroom on Christmas, as evidenced by the spoiled pants thought by CSIs to belong to Burke and the feces smeared on her box of chocolates. The housekeeper had also reported finding fecal matter recently in jonbenets bed, and a previous housekeeper reported Burke smearing feces when he was six years old and his mother was undergoing treatment for cancer. He did have a history of maladjusted behavior.

This was also the 90s and patsy was image obsessed. I can very much imagine that burkes issues were brushed off and the parents buried their head in the sand. Perhaps they knew he was sexually abusing jonbenet. Or perhaps they only saw the other violent and maladjusted behavior and couldn’t bring themselves to medicate him for the stigma of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it was Burke for the simple reason that he's never done anything like that since. Kids who do terrible things like that (and who are too young for the official psychopath/sociopath diagnosis), are not people who are one-and-done. They have repeating patterns. They escalate. They start with animals and move on to humans. They start with a weaker child and then work their way up to adults.

Even if it was some kind of accident, he'd have to have sociopathic traits to not have something like that affect his entire life. From what I've heard, he's a well-adjusted adult.

If it was Burke (and I do think it was Burke) it seems likely that he was not being adequately treated for his psychological issues prior to jonbenets death. However, he did receive treatment for at least a year and a half after jonbenets death. John Ramsey told Lou Smit in a 1998 interview that he (John) was taking medication prescribed to him by burkes psychiatrist - not unusual given the circumstances for a grieving parent, but interesting for John to offer that Burke was still being treated by a psychiatrist (not a psychologist) 18 months after the fact when his parents insisted he’d slept through the whole ordeal. It is entirely possible that Burkes parents got him adequate treatment for his psychological issues after jonbenets death and once medicated his behavioral issues were controlled.

Let’s not forget that Burke hit jonbenet in the head with a golf club two years prior, two days after her birthday. And somebody was defecating in her bedroom on Christmas, as evidenced by the spoiled pants thought by CSIs to belong to Burke and the feces smeared on her box of chocolates. The housekeeper had also reported finding fecal matter recently in jonbenets bed, and a previous housekeeper reported Burke smearing feces when he was six years old and his mother was undergoing treatment for cancer. He did have a history of maladjusted behavior.

This was also the 90s and patsy was image obsessed. I can very much imagine that burkes issues were brushed off and the parents buried their head in the sand. Perhaps they knew he was sexually abusing jonbenet. Or perhaps they only saw the other violent and maladjusted behavior and couldn’t bring themselves to medicate him for the stigma of it.

I agree with this