Lebanon / Israel

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight. According to you all:

Israel bad
Hamas good
Hezbollah good

So since Iran funds both groups, I assume you also believe Iran is good?

Not quite sure where you are getting this simplistic view.

Israel's current actions are bad since they are making things less safe for the world both in the short term (for people living in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon) and longer term (for people in Israel and the US)

Hamas' actions on 10/7 were horrific and wrong. But previous Israeli actions led to the development of the group. Can't Israel learn from its past misstakes?

Hezbollah has also done some horrific things. But again ditto to the point above about Hamas.

Hamas was formed by Iran.

Iran doesn’t care about Gaza and would have formed proxy groups regardless of what Israel did or didn’t do.

Iran is hellbent on Israel disappearing no matter what.

[Anonymous]

Oh and the same goes for Hezbollah, which is also an Iran proxy.

If you think these groups will stop if Israel stops, then you’re buying into their propaganda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel now has clearly moved beyond “precision targeting”. Civilians - who posed no imminent threat to Israel - are being killed.

While many here don’t seem to care about Palestinian lives….will you care about Lebanese or do you want to make multi generational enemies of that country too?

8,000 Hezbollah rockets launched into Israel.

You want Israel to do nothing.

How many artillery shells, air strikes, and electronic devices did the Israeli use in Lebanon. The Lebanese have a right to defend themselves.

Ok. So here’s what happened:

Hamas attacked on Oct 7.

Hezbollah launched rockets on Oct 8.

Can Israel defend itself?

you are very conveniently leaving out 100 years of history that predates 10/7

The course of action with the least risk of life lost is for Israel to declare a ceasefire in Gaza. Hezbollah has always said they iull stop firing into Israel when there is a ceasefire.

Ah yes. Because before 10/7, Hezbollah was a peace loving bunch of hippies.

No, they are trying through their actions to get Israel to recognize international law and leave occupied territory, too.

Do you have a problem with Israel being required to follow international law?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel now has clearly moved beyond “precision targeting”. Civilians - who posed no imminent threat to Israel - are being killed.

While many here don’t seem to care about Palestinian lives….will you care about Lebanese or do you want to make multi generational enemies of that country too?

8,000 Hezbollah rockets launched into Israel.

You want Israel to do nothing.

How many artillery shells, air strikes, and electronic devices did the Israeli use in Lebanon. The Lebanese have a right to defend themselves.

Ok. So here’s what happened:

Hamas attacked on Oct 7.

Hezbollah launched rockets on Oct 8.

Can Israel defend itself?

you are very conveniently leaving out 100 years of history that predates 10/7

The course of action with the least risk of life lost is for Israel to declare a ceasefire in Gaza. Hezbollah has always said they iull stop firing into Israel when there is a ceasefire.

Ah yes. Because before 10/7, Hezbollah was a peace loving bunch of hippies.

No, they are trying through their actions to get Israel to recognize international law and leave occupied territory, too.

Do you have a problem with Israel being required to follow international law?

Wow. An apologist for Hezbollah. Never thought I’d see it.

Hezbollah is an Iran proxy group. They are doing Iran’s bidding and are pursuing Iran’s strategic goal, which is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Hamas is the same thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So let me get this straight. According to you all:

Israel bad
Hamas good
Hezbollah good

So since Iran funds both groups, I assume you also believe Iran is good?

Not quite sure where you are getting this simplistic view.

Israel's current actions are bad since they are making things less safe for the world both in the short term (for people living in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon) and longer term (for people in Israel and the US)

Hamas' actions on 10/7 were horrific and wrong. But previous Israeli actions led to the development of the group. Can't Israel learn from its past misstakes?

Hezbollah has also done some horrific things. But again ditto to the point above about Hamas.

Hamas was formed by Iran.

Iran doesn’t care about Gaza and would have formed proxy groups regardless of what Israel did or didn’t do.

Iran is hellbent on Israel disappearing no matter what.

Not even worth the time to read. Just Israeli propaganda 101. Next!

[Anonymous]

Also, let’s be clear: Hezbollah emerged during the Lebanese civil war in 1975. It was not simply a response to Israel.

From the CFR:

Hezbollah emerged during Lebanon’s civil war, which broke out in 1975 when long-simmering discontent over the large, armed Palestinian presence in the country reached a boiling point. Various Lebanese sectarian communities held different positions on the nature of the Palestinian challenge.

As for its goals:

Hezbollah bills itself as a Shiite resistance movement, and it enshrined its ideology in a 1985 manifesto that vowed to expel Western powers from Lebanon, called for the destruction of the Israeli state, and pledged allegiance to Iran’s supreme leader. It also advocated an Iran-inspired Islamist regime, but emphasized that the Lebanese people should have the freedom of self-determination.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-hezbollah

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel now has clearly moved beyond “precision targeting”. Civilians - who posed no imminent threat to Israel - are being killed.

While many here don’t seem to care about Palestinian lives….will you care about Lebanese or do you want to make multi generational enemies of that country too?

8,000 Hezbollah rockets launched into Israel.

You want Israel to do nothing.

How many artillery shells, air strikes, and electronic devices did the Israeli use in Lebanon. The Lebanese have a right to defend themselves.

Ok. So here’s what happened:

Hamas attacked on Oct 7.

Hezbollah launched rockets on Oct 8.

Can Israel defend itself?

you are very conveniently leaving out 100 years of history that predates 10/7

The course of action with the least risk of life lost is for Israel to declare a ceasefire in Gaza. Hezbollah has always said they iull stop firing into Israel when there is a ceasefire.

Ah yes. Because before 10/7, Hezbollah was a peace loving bunch of hippies.

No, they are trying through their actions to get Israel to recognize international law and leave occupied territory, too.

Do you have a problem with Israel being required to follow international law?

Wow. An apologist for Hezbollah. Never thought I’d see it.

Hezbollah is an Iran proxy group. They are doing Iran’s bidding and are pursuing Iran’s strategic goal, which is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Hamas is the same thing.

I’m not supportive of any of these groups. I fully condemn them all. But I’m not binary (like you, apparently), so there are degrees of contempt across the board. And unlike you, I don’t give any of them a pass because of the sins of their neighbors, including Israel.

Now that that’s settled, since I dictate what I do and don’t support, not you … let’s get you on the record right now with what you stand for, and we can start with you answering the simple question below (2nd attempt).

Do you have a problem with Israel being required to follow international law?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel now has clearly moved beyond “precision targeting”. Civilians - who posed no imminent threat to Israel - are being killed.

While many here don’t seem to care about Palestinian lives….will you care about Lebanese or do you want to make multi generational enemies of that country too?

8,000 Hezbollah rockets launched into Israel.

You want Israel to do nothing.

How many artillery shells, air strikes, and electronic devices did the Israeli use in Lebanon. The Lebanese have a right to defend themselves.

Ok. So here’s what happened:

Hamas attacked on Oct 7.

Hezbollah launched rockets on Oct 8.

Can Israel defend itself?

you are very conveniently leaving out 100 years of history that predates 10/7

The course of action with the least risk of life lost is for Israel to declare a ceasefire in Gaza. Hezbollah has always said they iull stop firing into Israel when there is a ceasefire.

Ah yes. Because before 10/7, Hezbollah was a peace loving bunch of hippies.

No, they are trying through their actions to get Israel to recognize international law and leave occupied territory, too.

Do you have a problem with Israel being required to follow international law?

Wow. An apologist for Hezbollah. Never thought I’d see it.

Hezbollah is an Iran proxy group. They are doing Iran’s bidding and are pursuing Iran’s strategic goal, which is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Hamas is the same thing.

I’m not supportive of any of these groups. I fully condemn them all. But I’m not binary (like you, apparently), so there are degrees of contempt across the board. And unlike you, I don’t give any of them a pass because of the sins of their neighbors, including Israel.

Now that that’s settled, since I dictate what I do and don’t support, not you … let’s get you on the record right now with what you stand for, and we can start with you answering the simple question below (2nd attempt).

Do you have a problem with Israel being required to follow international law?

No. But that’s not what Hezbollah’s goals are. Hezbollah’s goals are the same as its benefactor, Iran: the wholesale destruction of Israel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel now has clearly moved beyond “precision targeting”. Civilians - who posed no imminent threat to Israel - are being killed.

While many here don’t seem to care about Palestinian lives….will you care about Lebanese or do you want to make multi generational enemies of that country too?

8,000 Hezbollah rockets launched into Israel.

You want Israel to do nothing.

How many artillery shells, air strikes, and electronic devices did the Israeli use in Lebanon. The Lebanese have a right to defend themselves.

Ok. So here’s what happened:

Hamas attacked on Oct 7.

Hezbollah launched rockets on Oct 8.

Can Israel defend itself?

you are very conveniently leaving out 100 years of history that predates 10/7

The course of action with the least risk of life lost is for Israel to declare a ceasefire in Gaza. Hezbollah has always said they iull stop firing into Israel when there is a ceasefire.

Ah yes. Because before 10/7, Hezbollah was a peace loving bunch of hippies.

No, they are trying through their actions to get Israel to recognize international law and leave occupied territory, too.

Do you have a problem with Israel being required to follow international law?

Wow. An apologist for Hezbollah. Never thought I’d see it.

Hezbollah is an Iran proxy group. They are doing Iran’s bidding and are pursuing Iran’s strategic goal, which is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Hamas is the same thing.

I’m not supportive of any of these groups. I fully condemn them all. But I’m not binary (like you, apparently), so there are degrees of contempt across the board. And unlike you, I don’t give any of them a pass because of the sins of their neighbors, including Israel.

Now that that’s settled, since I dictate what I do and don’t support, not you … let’s get you on the record right now with what you stand for, and we can start with you answering the simple question below (2nd attempt).

Do you have a problem with Israel being required to follow international law?

No. But that’s not what Hezbollah’s goals are. Hezbollah’s goals are the same as its benefactor, Iran: the wholesale destruction of Israel.

Cool. You expect Israel to follow international law. Appreciate that.

Next question: Since Israel has unequivocally flouted and violated international law daily for at least the past 76+ years, why do you continue to support a nation that defiantly refuses to recognize international law?

[Anonymous]

Hezbollah’s spokesman helpfully explained their goals for those on this thread who think they just want Israel to abide by international law (a funny thing for a terrorist group to want):

the Hezbollah campaign to rid Shebaa of Israeli troops is a pretext for something larger. 'If they go from Shebaa, we will not stop fighting them', he told [The New Yorker]. 'Our goal is to liberate the 1948 borders of Palestine,... The Jews who survive this war of liberation can go back to Germany or wherever they came from.' He added, however, that the Jews who lived in Palestine before 1948 will be 'allowed to live as a minority and they will be cared for by the Muslim majority.'

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel now has clearly moved beyond “precision targeting”. Civilians - who posed no imminent threat to Israel - are being killed.

While many here don’t seem to care about Palestinian lives….will you care about Lebanese or do you want to make multi generational enemies of that country too?

8,000 Hezbollah rockets launched into Israel.

You want Israel to do nothing.

How many artillery shells, air strikes, and electronic devices did the Israeli use in Lebanon. The Lebanese have a right to defend themselves.

Ok. So here’s what happened:

Hamas attacked on Oct 7.

Hezbollah launched rockets on Oct 8.

Can Israel defend itself?

you are very conveniently leaving out 100 years of history that predates 10/7

The course of action with the least risk of life lost is for Israel to declare a ceasefire in Gaza. Hezbollah has always said they iull stop firing into Israel when there is a ceasefire.

Ah yes. Because before 10/7, Hezbollah was a peace loving bunch of hippies.

No, they are trying through their actions to get Israel to recognize international law and leave occupied territory, too.

Do you have a problem with Israel being required to follow international law?

Wow. An apologist for Hezbollah. Never thought I’d see it.

Hezbollah is an Iran proxy group. They are doing Iran’s bidding and are pursuing Iran’s strategic goal, which is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Hamas is the same thing.

I’m not supportive of any of these groups. I fully condemn them all. But I’m not binary (like you, apparently), so there are degrees of contempt across the board. And unlike you, I don’t give any of them a pass because of the sins of their neighbors, including Israel.

Now that that’s settled, since I dictate what I do and don’t support, not you … let’s get you on the record right now with what you stand for, and we can start with you answering the simple question below (2nd attempt).

Do you have a problem with Israel being required to follow international law?

No. But that’s not what Hezbollah’s goals are. Hezbollah’s goals are the same as its benefactor, Iran: the wholesale destruction of Israel.

Cool. You expect Israel to follow international law. Appreciate that.

Next question: Since Israel has unequivocally flouted and violated international law daily for at least the past 76+ years, why do you continue to support a nation that defiantly refuses to recognize international law?

I don’t support Bibi. I believe Israel has a right to exist.

Now since you’re asking me questions, I’ll ask you one: why are you miscasting Hezbollah as simply wanting Israel to abide by international law, when they’ve been abundantly clear that they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel now has clearly moved beyond “precision targeting”. Civilians - who posed no imminent threat to Israel - are being killed.

While many here don’t seem to care about Palestinian lives….will you care about Lebanese or do you want to make multi generational enemies of that country too?

8,000 Hezbollah rockets launched into Israel.

You want Israel to do nothing.

How many artillery shells, air strikes, and electronic devices did the Israeli use in Lebanon. The Lebanese have a right to defend themselves.

Ok. So here’s what happened:

Hamas attacked on Oct 7.

Hezbollah launched rockets on Oct 8.

Can Israel defend itself?

you are very conveniently leaving out 100 years of history that predates 10/7

The course of action with the least risk of life lost is for Israel to declare a ceasefire in Gaza. Hezbollah has always said they iull stop firing into Israel when there is a ceasefire.

Ah yes. Because before 10/7, Hezbollah was a peace loving bunch of hippies.

No, they are trying through their actions to get Israel to recognize international law and leave occupied territory, too.

Do you have a problem with Israel being required to follow international law?

Wow. An apologist for Hezbollah. Never thought I’d see it.

Hezbollah is an Iran proxy group. They are doing Iran’s bidding and are pursuing Iran’s strategic goal, which is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Hamas is the same thing.

I’m not supportive of any of these groups. I fully condemn them all. But I’m not binary (like you, apparently), so there are degrees of contempt across the board. And unlike you, I don’t give any of them a pass because of the sins of their neighbors, including Israel.

Now that that’s settled, since I dictate what I do and don’t support, not you … let’s get you on the record right now with what you stand for, and we can start with you answering the simple question below (2nd attempt).

Do you have a problem with Israel being required to follow international law?

No. But that’s not what Hezbollah’s goals are. Hezbollah’s goals are the same as its benefactor, Iran: the wholesale destruction of Israel.

Since you already know that the wholesale destruction is never going to happen, or even any destruction beyond that caused by half-assed DIY fireworks falling like duds in empty desert and fields, why continue to cry out about non-existent threats to Israel?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel now has clearly moved beyond “precision targeting”. Civilians - who posed no imminent threat to Israel - are being killed.

While many here don’t seem to care about Palestinian lives….will you care about Lebanese or do you want to make multi generational enemies of that country too?

8,000 Hezbollah rockets launched into Israel.

You want Israel to do nothing.

How many artillery shells, air strikes, and electronic devices did the Israeli use in Lebanon. The Lebanese have a right to defend themselves.

Ok. So here’s what happened:

Hamas attacked on Oct 7.

Hezbollah launched rockets on Oct 8.

Can Israel defend itself?

you are very conveniently leaving out 100 years of history that predates 10/7

The course of action with the least risk of life lost is for Israel to declare a ceasefire in Gaza. Hezbollah has always said they iull stop firing into Israel when there is a ceasefire.

Ah yes. Because before 10/7, Hezbollah was a peace loving bunch of hippies.

No, they are trying through their actions to get Israel to recognize international law and leave occupied territory, too.

Do you have a problem with Israel being required to follow international law?

Wow. An apologist for Hezbollah. Never thought I’d see it.

Hezbollah is an Iran proxy group. They are doing Iran’s bidding and are pursuing Iran’s strategic goal, which is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Hamas is the same thing.

I’m not supportive of any of these groups. I fully condemn them all. But I’m not binary (like you, apparently), so there are degrees of contempt across the board. And unlike you, I don’t give any of them a pass because of the sins of their neighbors, including Israel.

Now that that’s settled, since I dictate what I do and don’t support, not you … let’s get you on the record right now with what you stand for, and we can start with you answering the simple question below (2nd attempt).

Do you have a problem with Israel being required to follow international law?

No. But that’s not what Hezbollah’s goals are. Hezbollah’s goals are the same as its benefactor, Iran: the wholesale destruction of Israel.

Since you already know that the wholesale destruction is never going to happen, or even any destruction beyond that caused by half-assed DIY fireworks falling like duds in empty desert and fields, why continue to cry out about non-existent threats to Israel?

Half-assed DIY fireworks?

Hezbollah receives $700 million a year from Iran.

[Anonymous]

Hezbollah is the world’s most heavily armed non-state actor.

https://missilethreat.csis.org/country/hezbollahs-rocket-arsenal/

[Anonymous]

The idea that Hezbollah only attacks with DIY half assed fireworks — LOL

It’s like these people only started thinking about Lebanon a week ago.