Hoping these kids are OK

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well here is what happened to those McLean zone boys, their dad died last May and the mom is a single mom of 5 boys, here is the info

https://patch.com/virginia/fallschurch/mother-5-boys-requests-help-after-husband-dies-work-accident

These aren’t the McLean zoned boys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well here is what happened to those McLean zone boys, their dad died last May and the mom is a single mom of 5 boys, here is the info

https://patch.com/virginia/fallschurch/mother-5-boys-requests-help-after-husband-dies-work-accident

These aren’t the McLean zoned boys.

Jay=Angel , Kevin=Kevin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The older brother of the one who died was released from the hospital yesterday. That was shared on the GFM set up for funeral expenses

Is there an official report for this death? I couldn't find it with a Google search.

People are forgetting that these are minors. There’s no requirement to report anything about a minor in the news. Not their names, not their age, not whether or not they lived or are paralyzed.

They are not allowed to release names of minors, but they absolutely can report on such an important update as whether one of the crash victims has passed away. Please don't mix everything up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well here is what happened to those McLean zone boys, their dad died last May and the mom is a single mom of 5 boys, here is the info

https://patch.com/virginia/fallschurch/mother-5-boys-requests-help-after-husband-dies-work-accident

These aren’t the McLean zoned boys.

Jay=Angel , Kevin=Kevin

Wait, so this IS the son of the mom who was interviewed?

Posters were previously saying there were two boys in the car who were named Kevin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well here is what happened to those McLean zone boys, their dad died last May and the mom is a single mom of 5 boys, here is the info

https://patch.com/virginia/fallschurch/mother-5-boys-requests-help-after-husband-dies-work-accident

These aren’t the McLean zoned boys.

Jay=Angel , Kevin=Kevin

Wait, so this IS the son of the mom who was interviewed?

Posters were previously saying there were two boys in the car who were named Kevin

Replying to myself…
The last names don’t match. This can’t be the son of the mom who was interviewed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well here is what happened to those McLean zone boys, their dad died last May and the mom is a single mom of 5 boys, here is the info

https://patch.com/virginia/fallschurch/mother-5-boys-requests-help-after-husband-dies-work-accident

These aren’t the McLean zoned boys.

Jay=Angel , Kevin=Kevin

Wait, so this IS the son of the mom who was interviewed?

Posters were previously saying there were two boys in the car who were named Kevin

Replying to myself…
The last names don’t match. This can’t be the son of the mom who was interviewed

It isn’t the son of the woman who was interviewed. There were for a fact 2 Kevins in the car.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well here is what happened to those McLean zone boys, their dad died last May and the mom is a single mom of 5 boys, here is the info

https://patch.com/virginia/fallschurch/mother-5-boys-requests-help-after-husband-dies-work-accident

These aren’t the McLean zoned boys.

Jay=Angel , Kevin=Kevin

Wait, so this IS the son of the mom who was interviewed?

Posters were previously saying there were two boys in the car who were named Kevin

Replying to myself…
The last names don’t match. This can’t be the son of the mom who was interviewed

It isn’t the son of the woman who was interviewed. There were for a fact 2 Kevins in the car.

So Jay is not Angel?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:All of the parents on this forum who love to say "It's not a big deal for teenagers to drink underage" are silent on this thread. These are the consequences of enabling and encouraging alcohol with the teenage set. It's not a low-stakes game to play and I hope you parents who turn a blind eye can wake up and stop the enabling.

I mean you do you but I know my 17yo drinks and we have drilled it into her head to never drive drunk or call us when she needs a ride. She has done this and I’m glad. She’s going to college in the fall and I want this to be non negotiable.

So sad you condone drinking 4 years under the legal drinking age!

That is playing with fire.

I can forbid it. Then she sneaks around and is afraid to call for help.
Pick your poison.

Do you think those are the only choices? Many kids neither drink, nor sneak.

But not (only) because of the parents. Two kids. Same household. Same rules and expectations. One followed the rules. One did not.

Yes, some households kids are not parented well.

Parenting has to be modulated to meet your goals, your morals as, your ethics, and the child you have. It is not a one child fits all. And if you have a kid that is likely to sneak out, work to keep them safe.

Thanks, santimommy. Without you, none of us would know how to parent our kids. Your post is so incredibly helpful on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Jay/Kevin (went by Kevito)

Angel/Kevin (mom did the interview)

2 sets of brothers

These are the names that are public

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well here is what happened to those McLean zone boys, their dad died last May and the mom is a single mom of 5 boys, here is the info

https://patch.com/virginia/fallschurch/mother-5-boys-requests-help-after-husband-dies-work-accident

These aren’t the McLean zoned boys.

No. some had same first names but the last name not correct.
Jay=Angel , Kevin=Kevin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well here is what happened to those McLean zone boys, their dad died last May and the mom is a single mom of 5 boys, here is the info

https://patch.com/virginia/fallschurch/mother-5-boys-requests-help-after-husband-dies-work-accident

These aren’t the McLean zoned boys.

Jay=Angel , Kevin=Kevin

Wait, so this IS the son of the mom who was interviewed?

Posters were previously saying there were two boys in the car who were named Kevin

Replying to myself…
The last names don’t match. This can’t be the son of the mom who was interviewed

correct. Not the son of the woman interviewed. A few first names are the same of the bus but not the last names

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Society really needs to push the message that there is hope and a future for all teens, and that taking dangerous risks and just "living as if I could die tomorrow" isn't worth it. While I know that in general all teens are more likely to be risk takers, not have fully developed brains, not enough critical thinking skills to assess whether they should take a risk, there are definitely some cultures in which it considered cool or normal to live like you got nothing to lose.

Some demographics (lower SES, being from an immigrant family, ESL, etc) may make a child much more likely to be unsupervised, unsupported, to think it doesn't matter if they get arrested because they're not going to college (no one they know has gone to college and their parents don't know anything re the college system), and some cultures don't seem too worried about not wearing seatbelts.

I immediately thought when I heard that 6 of those kids weren't wearing seat belts that they were hispanic, based on my interactions with some kids I used to drive for years on one of my kid's soccer team. These were really nice kids, but their parents never drove them, either because they were working or they just didn't think it was necessary for parents to come to games. They lived in Section 8 so I knew at least there was an income barrier. They all had multiple older siblings, one had an 8th grade brother who had dropped out of school, another who had been threatened by a Peruvian gang at a soccer game and beaten up so bad that his jaw was wired shut, another who knew all about the different gangs in school, etc. But what they all had in common was that they never wanted to wear seatbelts. Every single damn time they got in my car, individually or as a group, I would have to remind them and often I caught them taking them off and had to insist they put them back on. It was so strange. They told me their parents didn't make them.

I don't know if this is a cultural thing or SES thing or what.

I think it’s a cultural and SES thing among certain groups. I teach ESOL in FCPS and have heard similar comments from my high school students. I also know many of them drive without licenses because in their countries it doesn’t matter. And yes, they are often out late and unsupervised because either they are working or their parents are working. I don’t want to generalize, but after 23 years of teacher, I’ve certainly seen patterns among different groups of students. That said, I think among more rural areas of the U.S., the same would be true with regard to not using seatbelts or driving without a license.

I really hope this teacher’s account isn’t accurate. I’m the child of immigrants and was taught to respect America’s laws. Reckless behavior endangers others, not just the reckless ones. It’s not okay to teach your kids to disregard our laws.

Well, I’m the teacher and I’m not lying. Of course there are exceptions to every rule and not every immigrant is driving without a license, but it’s something I’ve heard from several of my students. I’m also not sure how old you are, but immigration has changed over time and different groups are coming for different reasons. Many people who immigrate today don’t feel that connected to America in the first place and many of my students and their families are coming out of necessity, not because they really want to live in America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well here is what happened to those McLean zone boys, their dad died last May and the mom is a single mom of 5 boys, here is the info

https://patch.com/virginia/fallschurch/mother-5-boys-requests-help-after-husband-dies-work-accident

These aren’t the McLean zoned boys.

Jay=Angel , Kevin=Kevin

Wait, so this IS the son of the mom who was interviewed?

Posters were previously saying there were two boys in the car who were named Kevin

Replying to myself…
The last names don’t match. This can’t be the son of the mom who was interviewed

It isn’t the son of the woman who was interviewed. There were for a fact 2 Kevins in the car.

I’m pretty sure the mom who was interviewed is the parent of the driver and a younger son who was also in the car. None of the has been confirmed, but that is what Marshall students and staff have been saying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well here is what happened to those McLean zone boys, their dad died last May and the mom is a single mom of 5 boys, here is the info

https://patch.com/virginia/fallschurch/mother-5-boys-requests-help-after-husband-dies-work-accident

These aren’t the McLean zoned boys.

Jay=Angel , Kevin=Kevin

Wait, so this IS the son of the mom who was interviewed?

Posters were previously saying there were two boys in the car who were named Kevin

Replying to myself…
The last names don’t match. This can’t be the son of the mom who was interviewed

It isn’t the son of the woman who was interviewed. There were for a fact 2 Kevins in the car.

I’m pretty sure the mom who was interviewed is the parent of the driver and a younger son who was also in the car. None of the has been confirmed, but that is what Marshall students and staff have been saying.

But the mom who was interviewed said she had two sons in the hospital, but the driver did not go to the hospital.

[Anonymous]

Found a second GFM started presumably by the brother with name Jason (Jay?). Is the a legit GFM? Is this organizer named Jason really who he says he is?
https://www.gofundme.com/f/kevin-guardado-landaverde