SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor

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Wow...

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When is the Supreme Court going to make public education equitable across this country? The current state of affairs is deeply unequal in terms of resources and opportunity for children.

It might be time for a constitutional amendment on this matter, to make high quality public education a right for children age 3-18.

DCPS spends more per student than any other school district, yet has some of the worst outcomes. It’s not a resource issue. You drive five miles from DC and you will see 1st generation brown skinned Asian elementary students doing advanced math in lower resourced public schools. It’s a culture issue not a resource issue. And everyone know this whether they admit it or not.

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But you have to understand that part of the cultural difference is the fact that those brown skinned ES students aren't burdened by entrenched social problems. No one (including Dems) has figured out how to address the underlying issues that persists in certain communities. Not amount of affirmative action will address this issue.

How about not get entrenched into social problems by not stealing, by not dong drugs, by not committing other crimes? How about doing a homework with your child every single day? Working two or three jobs like most immigrants do? No one going to fix it unless people make that conscious choice.

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So a lot more whites apply vs blacks because there are a lot more whites.

US population by race
White 59%
Hispanic 19%
Black 12%
Asian 6%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So a lot more whites apply vs blacks because there are a lot more whites.

US population by race
White 59%
Hispanic 19%
Black 12%
Asian 6%

So you would expect matriculation rates at roughly these levels and yet, they aren't. The matriculation still over samples white students and under samples blacks and Asians.

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If you think yesterday was bad for rhe left, wait until today's ruling on cake for a gay wedding and student loan ruling. Heads will be exploding around 11am!

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Yup, Legacy should be banned if they accept public money. Doubt we will get any politician to vote for it. That would be like them voting to make insider trader illegal for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:"No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."

The 14th Amendment was not enforced by the Supreme Court for 90 years, and now it is being interpreted for the opposite purpose as its intent. It was meant to remedy the legacy of discrimination, but now it has been interpreted as protection for maintaining the discriminatory effect of that legacy.

Not even close. It is clear. Can’t pick or decide stuff on race. Any race. There is no other way to view it.

We will not get to a good place as a country if we make any decision based on race.

Only if you ignore reality and history and pretend that opportunities and resources for everyone have been equivalent up to the point of college application. Test scores alone do not measure merit. They measure the extent of years of preparation for the tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When is the Supreme Court going to make public education equitable across this country? The current state of affairs is deeply unequal in terms of resources and opportunity for children.

It might be time for a constitutional amendment on this matter, to make high quality public education a right for children age 3-18.

DCPS spends more per student than any other school district, yet has some of the worst outcomes. It’s not a resource issue. You drive five miles from DC and you will see 1st generation brown skinned Asian elementary students doing advanced math in lower resourced public schools. It’s a culture issue not a resource issue. And everyone know this whether they admit it or not.

You don’t understand the school dynamics in DC. At different stages, but especially around 4th grade, beginning of middle school, and beginning of high school, a bunch of the top public school students move to private schools, so by the time they take SAT and AP and other high school tests a lot of the DCPS successes are not in DCPS any longer. In the top elementary schools in NW DC, about half of the students will end up graduating from private high schools or suburban high schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yup, Legacy should be banned if they accept public money. Doubt we will get any politician to vote for it. That would be like them voting to make insider trader illegal for themselves.

If legacy are banned, then we won't have truly elite colleges with exclusive networks of connected people.

[Anonymous]

Boy has time changed 44

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When is the Supreme Court going to make public education equitable across this country? The current state of affairs is deeply unequal in terms of resources and opportunity for children.

It might be time for a constitutional amendment on this matter, to make high quality public education a right for children age 3-18.

DCPS spends more per student than any other school district, yet has some of the worst outcomes. It’s not a resource issue. You drive five miles from DC and you will see 1st generation brown skinned Asian elementary students doing advanced math in lower resourced public schools. It’s a culture issue not a resource issue. And everyone know this whether they admit it or not.

+1
But you have to understand that part of the cultural difference is the fact that those brown skinned ES students aren't burdened by entrenched social problems. No one (including Dems) has figured out how to address the underlying issues that persists in certain communities. Not amount of affirmative action will address this issue.

I get that. But the AA leadership has one more generation to figure this out or else be permanently left behind. As Hispanics and Asians slowly take over this country through grit and hard work they will have little patience for this issue which they played no role in or benefited from. After trillions of dollars spent and 160 years after the civil war the ship is about to sail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."

The 14th Amendment was not enforced by the Supreme Court for 90 years, and now it is being interpreted for the opposite purpose as its intent. It was meant to remedy the legacy of discrimination, but now it has been interpreted as protection for maintaining the discriminatory effect of that legacy.

Not even close. It is clear. Can’t pick or decide stuff on race. Any race. There is no other way to view it.

We will not get to a good place as a country if we make any decision based on race.

Only if you ignore reality and history and pretend that opportunities and resources for everyone have been equivalent up to the point of college application. Test scores alone do not measure merit. They measure the extent of years of preparation for the tests.

Yes and colleges can still look at socioeconomic factors and consider how the race has affected the applicant personally in their essays. What it has outlawed is preference based solely on the color of someone's skin. I have not seen one good support for why such a travesty and blatantly unconstitutional and unamerican practice should continue.