SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of you who think this issue was about Asians are strongly mistaken. Presenting Asians as the purported "victims" of AA college admissions policies was a smokescreen to divert attention from the real intended beneficiaries of doing away with AA: WHITES. Asians think Blacks and Hispanics are taking away their slots in the most selective colleges? While admission rates for Asians may go up slightly, a higher proportion of those "extra" slots will be going to whites.

Nope. Nice try at deflection by trying to bring in whites.

It has to do with Asians being held to higher standard than everyone else and having racial stereotypes used to character assassinate them for rejection.

No, seriously. Do you know the history of this case and who is behind it? I didn't until I did a bit of research on the backstory. The answer is: Edward Blum and the organization he created--Students for Fair Admissions (based in Arlington, VA BTW). I know this is a long read and most won't bother to read it, but it's worth knowing how this case started. (The comments in square brackets are mine).

"Blum is not a lawyer, but he has a long history of crafting legal attacks on civil rights. After losing a congressional election in the early 1990s, Blum, who is white, challenged the Texas redistricting process as discriminating in favor of African American and Latinx voters. While his success in that case, Bush v. Vera, was limited to particular districts, among his other challenges to the voting rights, Blum was behind Shelby v. Holder. That case gutted important protections in the Voting Rights Act with drastic effects for voters of color. His attacks on laws and policies designed to promote the equality of people of color are not limited to voting rights. Blum also crafted the unsuccessful challenge to race-conscious college admissions programs in Fisher v. University of Texas. [FYI Fisher v. UT was brought by a white female--Abigail Fisher--who sued UT when she was not admitted, "claiming that the University of Texas' use of race as a consideration in admission decisions was in violation of the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment." [Even among those students, Fisher did not particularly stand out. Court records show her grade point average (3.59) and SAT scores (1180 out of 1600) were good but not great for the highly selective flagship university. The school's rejection rate that year for the remaining 841 openings was higher than the turn-down rate for students trying to get into Harvard. As a result, university officials claim in court filings that even if Fisher received points for her race and every other personal achievement factor, the letter she received in the mail still would have said no. It's true that the university, for whatever reason, offered provisional admission to some students with lower test scores and grades than Fisher. Five of those students were black or Latino. Forty-two were white. Neither Fisher nor Blum mentioned those 42 applicants in interviews. Nor did they acknowledge the 168 black and Latino students with grades as good as or better than Fisher's who were also denied entry into the university that year. Also left unsaid is the fact that Fisher turned down a standard UT offer under which she could have gone to the university her sophomore year if she earned a 3.2 GPA at another Texas university school in her freshman year."] (https://www.propublica.org/article/a-colorblind-constitution-what-abigail-fishers-affirmative-action-case-is-r#:~:text=Even%20among%20those%20students%2C%20Fisher,the%20highly%20selective%20flagship%20university.)

Failing in Fisher, Blum baldly strategized that he “needed Asian plaintiffs.” He formed Students for Fair Admissions as a vehicle to file litigation. The organization’s leadership consists solely of Mr. Blum, Abigail Fisher, and Richard Fisher, her father. [Since this was written, it looks like Blum has added three Asian board members]. Through Students for Fair Admissions, Blum recruited “members” and filed his challenge to college admissions against Harvard and the University of North Carolina with a twist. This time, Blum claims that the consideration of race discriminates against Asian Americans."

So when Bum failed to achieve his goal by helping a white student bring a case, he moved on to Asian Americans. This was never about concern for discrimination against Asian Americans--they were just a vehicle to a larger end.

You seem eager to blame Asians for being used by right-wingers. Yet it is the Democrats' appointees to the Supreme Court who voted in favor of discrimination against Asians in college admissions.

Lies. No one is in favor of discrimination against Asians or anyone.

We have such deep problems with inequality in this country that everyone is fighting for their piece of the pie. It pits family against family to fight for opportunity because of the huge gap between rich and poor. No one wants to be poor. Our society is really getting into a brutal dog-eat-dog. Meanwhile Congress is asleep at the wheel. Politicians fight for sound bites, airtime, and donations instead of governing. The rest of us are trying to keep a roof over our heads, food on the table, and set our kids up for success so they don’t struggle to live, which is why overturning AA is upsetting to many because they have long had barriers to educational attainment. Overturning AA is turning a blind eye to the history of why it existed in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."

Great. Now MEASURE racism. Quantify it against natural outcomes. You can't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a company that hires undergrads from top universities. I can tell you, anonymously, the Asian kids are head and shoulders above everyone. It’s not even close.

Also, if you hire one Indian, he will bring other Indians onboard and they in turn will hire and promote only Indians.

Before you know it your company will become all Indian. That’s what happened to Silicon Valley and everyone knows it.

This is very true. While gullible white people think about tolerance and diversity…

Gullible fools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you who think this issue was about Asians are strongly mistaken. Presenting Asians as the purported "victims" of AA college admissions policies was a smokescreen to divert attention from the real intended beneficiaries of doing away with AA: WHITES. Asians think Blacks and Hispanics are taking away their slots in the most selective colleges? While admission rates for Asians may go up slightly, a higher proportion of those "extra" slots will be going to whites.

Nope. Nice try at deflection by trying to bring in whites.

It has to do with Asians being held to higher standard than everyone else and having racial stereotypes used to character assassinate them for rejection.

No, seriously. Do you know the history of this case and who is behind it? I didn't until I did a bit of research on the backstory. The answer is: Edward Blum and the organization he created--Students for Fair Admissions (based in Arlington, VA BTW). I know this is a long read and most won't bother to read it, but it's worth knowing how this case started. (The comments in square brackets are mine).

"Blum is not a lawyer, but he has a long history of crafting legal attacks on civil rights. After losing a congressional election in the early 1990s, Blum, who is white, challenged the Texas redistricting process as discriminating in favor of African American and Latinx voters. While his success in that case, Bush v. Vera, was limited to particular districts, among his other challenges to the voting rights, Blum was behind Shelby v. Holder. That case gutted important protections in the Voting Rights Act with drastic effects for voters of color. His attacks on laws and policies designed to promote the equality of people of color are not limited to voting rights. Blum also crafted the unsuccessful challenge to race-conscious college admissions programs in Fisher v. University of Texas. [FYI Fisher v. UT was brought by a white female--Abigail Fisher--who sued UT when she was not admitted, "claiming that the University of Texas' use of race as a consideration in admission decisions was in violation of the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment." [Even among those students, Fisher did not particularly stand out. Court records show her grade point average (3.59) and SAT scores (1180 out of 1600) were good but not great for the highly selective flagship university. The school's rejection rate that year for the remaining 841 openings was higher than the turn-down rate for students trying to get into Harvard. As a result, university officials claim in court filings that even if Fisher received points for her race and every other personal achievement factor, the letter she received in the mail still would have said no. It's true that the university, for whatever reason, offered provisional admission to some students with lower test scores and grades than Fisher. Five of those students were black or Latino. Forty-two were white. Neither Fisher nor Blum mentioned those 42 applicants in interviews. Nor did they acknowledge the 168 black and Latino students with grades as good as or better than Fisher's who were also denied entry into the university that year. Also left unsaid is the fact that Fisher turned down a standard UT offer under which she could have gone to the university her sophomore year if she earned a 3.2 GPA at another Texas university school in her freshman year."] (https://www.propublica.org/article/a-colorblind-constitution-what-abigail-fishers-affirmative-action-case-is-r#:~:text=Even%20among%20those%20students%2C%20Fisher,the%20highly%20selective%20flagship%20university.)

Failing in Fisher, Blum baldly strategized that he “needed Asian plaintiffs.” He formed Students for Fair Admissions as a vehicle to file litigation. The organization’s leadership consists solely of Mr. Blum, Abigail Fisher, and Richard Fisher, her father. [Since this was written, it looks like Blum has added three Asian board members]. Through Students for Fair Admissions, Blum recruited “members” and filed his challenge to college admissions against Harvard and the University of North Carolina with a twist. This time, Blum claims that the consideration of race discriminates against Asian Americans."

So when Bum failed to achieve his goal by helping a white student bring a case, he moved on to Asian Americans. This was never about concern for discrimination against Asian Americans--they were just a vehicle to a larger end.

You seem eager to blame Asians for being used by right-wingers. Yet it is the Democrats' appointees to the Supreme Court who voted in favor of discrimination against Asians in college admissions.

No, they voted mostly on history, precedent and their own life experiences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."

The 14th Amendment was not enforced by the Supreme Court for 90 years, and now it is being interpreted for the opposite purpose as its intent. It was meant to remedy the legacy of discrimination, but now it has been interpreted as protection for maintaining the discriminatory effect of that legacy.

Not even close. It is clear. Can’t pick or decide stuff on race. Any race. There is no other way to view it.

We will not get to a good place as a country if we make any decision based on race.

Tell it to the racists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."

The 14th Amendment was not enforced by the Supreme Court for 90 years, and now it is being interpreted for the opposite purpose as its intent. It was meant to remedy the legacy of discrimination, but now it has been interpreted as protection for maintaining the discriminatory effect of that legacy.

Not even close. It is clear. Can’t pick or decide stuff on race. Any race. There is no other way to view it.

We will not get to a good place as a country if we make any decision based on race.

Tell it to the racists.

You mean the Harvard admissions office? Their use of personality as a rating was gross.

[Anonymous]

When is the Supreme Court going to make public education equitable across this country? The current state of affairs is deeply unequal in terms of resources and opportunity for children.

It might be time for a constitutional amendment on this matter, to make high quality public education a right for children age 3-18.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of you who think this issue was about Asians are strongly mistaken. Presenting Asians as the purported "victims" of AA college admissions policies was a smokescreen to divert attention from the real intended beneficiaries of doing away with AA: WHITES. Asians think Blacks and Hispanics are taking away their slots in the most selective colleges? While admission rates for Asians may go up slightly, a higher proportion of those "extra" slots will be going to whites.

Nope. Nice try at deflection by trying to bring in whites.

It has to do with Asians being held to higher standard than everyone else and having racial stereotypes used to character assassinate them for rejection.

No, seriously. Do you know the history of this case and who is behind it? I didn't until I did a bit of research on the backstory. The answer is: Edward Blum and the organization he created--Students for Fair Admissions (based in Arlington, VA BTW). I know this is a long read and most won't bother to read it, but it's worth knowing how this case started. (The comments in square brackets are mine).

"Blum is not a lawyer, but he has a long history of crafting legal attacks on civil rights. After losing a congressional election in the early 1990s, Blum, who is white, challenged the Texas redistricting process as discriminating in favor of African American and Latinx voters. While his success in that case, Bush v. Vera, was limited to particular districts, among his other challenges to the voting rights, Blum was behind Shelby v. Holder. That case gutted important protections in the Voting Rights Act with drastic effects for voters of color. His attacks on laws and policies designed to promote the equality of people of color are not limited to voting rights. Blum also crafted the unsuccessful challenge to race-conscious college admissions programs in Fisher v. University of Texas. [FYI Fisher v. UT was brought by a white female--Abigail Fisher--who sued UT when she was not admitted, "claiming that the University of Texas' use of race as a consideration in admission decisions was in violation of the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment." [Even among those students, Fisher did not particularly stand out. Court records show her grade point average (3.59) and SAT scores (1180 out of 1600) were good but not great for the highly selective flagship university. The school's rejection rate that year for the remaining 841 openings was higher than the turn-down rate for students trying to get into Harvard. As a result, university officials claim in court filings that even if Fisher received points for her race and every other personal achievement factor, the letter she received in the mail still would have said no. It's true that the university, for whatever reason, offered provisional admission to some students with lower test scores and grades than Fisher. Five of those students were black or Latino. Forty-two were white. Neither Fisher nor Blum mentioned those 42 applicants in interviews. Nor did they acknowledge the 168 black and Latino students with grades as good as or better than Fisher's who were also denied entry into the university that year. Also left unsaid is the fact that Fisher turned down a standard UT offer under which she could have gone to the university her sophomore year if she earned a 3.2 GPA at another Texas university school in her freshman year."] (https://www.propublica.org/article/a-colorblind-constitution-what-abigail-fishers-affirmative-action-case-is-r#:~:text=Even%20among%20those%20students%2C%20Fisher,the%20highly%20selective%20flagship%20university.)

Failing in Fisher, Blum baldly strategized that he “needed Asian plaintiffs.” He formed Students for Fair Admissions as a vehicle to file litigation. The organization’s leadership consists solely of Mr. Blum, Abigail Fisher, and Richard Fisher, her father. [Since this was written, it looks like Blum has added three Asian board members]. Through Students for Fair Admissions, Blum recruited “members” and filed his challenge to college admissions against Harvard and the University of North Carolina with a twist. This time, Blum claims that the consideration of race discriminates against Asian Americans."

So when Bum failed to achieve his goal by helping a white student bring a case, he moved on to Asian Americans. This was never about concern for discrimination against Asian Americans--they were just a vehicle to a larger end.

Those stupid Asians! Too stupid to realize they're pawns for the white man! Clearly Asians cannot think for themselves and take a stand against something using their own informed decision making process!

[Anonymous]

Not too long ago 46 said this about minorities

[Anonymous]

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Asians’ low personality score was based on the perception that they’d study too much, be too quiet in class, would struggle to contribute to group and team work because of their docile natures, and probably couldn’t perform in leadership roles. That’s exactly what they received negative scores for *consistently*.


It is absolutely a racist stereotype that Asians are ‘typically’ the quiet kid in the back acing all of the math tests and never getting into trouble. They are great tonhsbe in the classroom…..bu not in any leadership positions because they’re ‘probably’ too quiet, etc.


What a disgusting racist trope. It’s just shocking an institution like Harvard promulgated this and has all sorts of racist supporters like this thread shows. This is EXACTLY why Asians continued to be denied positions of power in both the corporate world and government even though they do everything right snd often times far better than everyone else. Enough is enough. I’m glad Asians finally got pissed and are standing up for themselves.

It’s true though. They have been programmed by their parents to be docile and obey orders, not to counter authority and not to make their own decisions. This is cultural norm.

Omg, shut the hell up you racist scum. This is 1000% racist stereotyping.

Why don't you look to see who is leading top US tech firms like NVIDIA, AMD, Microsoft, and Adobe? Microsoft was stuck in the mud for years and didn't go anywhere until a person of Asian descent came in, challenged conventional wisdom, and shook things up. And now Microsoft has exploded in success. Nvidia is breaking everything and leading the world in AI under the leadership of an Asian CEO.

The quiet Asian kid in the class doing well in exams and not capable leading is a disgusting racial stereotype that has constantly been used to block their progress. It's the same level of stereotyping like every black male is going to be violent and commit crime. Clearly the very few Asian leaders in the corporate world that have made it and have been allowed to progress completely blow up your insanely stupid talking point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hats off to the Supreme Court. The whole race game of college admissions is nauseating.

Looking forward to focus on grades and test scores.


Ps - let’s also ban legacies.

I am fine with legacies if they put up the $$$ to pay for other students tutions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When is the Supreme Court going to make public education equitable across this country? The current state of affairs is deeply unequal in terms of resources and opportunity for children.

It might be time for a constitutional amendment on this matter, to make high quality public education a right for children age 3-18.

DCPS spends more per student than any other school district, yet has some of the worst outcomes. It’s not a resource issue. You drive five miles from DC and you will see 1st generation brown skinned Asian elementary students doing advanced math in lower resourced public schools. It’s a culture issue not a resource issue. And everyone know this whether they admit it or not.

[Anonymous]

You leftist can learn a lot from Thomas Sowell

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not too long ago 46 said this about minorities

That was actually a long time ago, and he has clearly changed his outlook.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When is the Supreme Court going to make public education equitable across this country? The current state of affairs is deeply unequal in terms of resources and opportunity for children.

It might be time for a constitutional amendment on this matter, to make high quality public education a right for children age 3-18.

DCPS spends more per student than any other school district, yet has some of the worst outcomes. It’s not a resource issue. You drive five miles from DC and you will see 1st generation brown skinned Asian elementary students doing advanced math in lower resourced public schools. It’s a culture issue not a resource issue. And everyone know this whether they admit it or not.

+1
But you have to understand that part of the cultural difference is the fact that those brown skinned ES students aren't burdened by entrenched social problems. No one (including Dems) has figured out how to address the underlying issues that persists in certain communities. Not amount of affirmative action will address this issue.