Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)

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Why do soooo many people, so so many, men, women, children, need these medications. Are we all really this broken that we must rely on SSRIs and such in order to prevent us from all committing suicide? How pathetic is this? We must look at the bigger picture here as to why so many are dependent on these meds.

Because the world kind of sucks. There’s not much of a social support system in place, so many are one medical emergency away from bankruptcy, the world is heating up and no one is doing anything about it, we are at end stage capitalism and spend our lives working jobs we don’t care about… I could go on. The question is why are there so many people out here rawdogging this life without meds or drugs or alcohol or whatever helps you feel better?

I’ve been on an SSRI for about 10 years. It’s made me much happier. I’ve gone off a few times to see how it is and for a pregnancy, and life is just better when I’m on it. Why not take it?

This is an…odd take. I’ve never been on meds, and am genuinely pretty content in life. Not always “happy” because that’s a feeling and not a permanent state.

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Anonymous wrote:Per the Boston Globe…

She will be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon via Zoom. Her lawyer did not say she was paralyzed but that “she’s not walking out of the hospital”. They are recommending she be released to either her parents with GPS tracker or to Spaulding (which is a chi-chi rehab facility) rather than a women’s prison. She also hasn’t been able to see her husband or parents and is under 24/7 police guard. Initial thought is that the defense will be involuntary intoxication due to the drug mix, rather than postpartum psychosis.

This is unacceptable. She murdered three children. She needs to be remanded to a state mental hospital to await trial if she cannot be in jail pending trial.

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+2. I think the post is saying HER lawyer “recommends” this, not the prosecution or the judge, no?

[Anonymous]

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Why do soooo many people, so so many, men, women, children, need these medications. Are we all really this broken that we must rely on SSRIs and such in order to prevent us from all committing suicide? How pathetic is this? We must look at the bigger picture here as to why so many are dependent on these meds.

Because the world kind of sucks. There’s not much of a social support system in place, so many are one medical emergency away from bankruptcy, the world is heating up and no one is doing anything about it, we are at end stage capitalism and spend our lives working jobs we don’t care about… I could go on. The question is why are there so many people out here rawdogging this life without meds or drugs or alcohol or whatever helps you feel better?

I’ve been on an SSRI for about 10 years. It’s made me much happier. I’ve gone off a few times to see how it is and for a pregnancy, and life is just better when I’m on it. Why not take it?

Why are so many people rawdogging this life without meds or drugs or alcohol? Because we feel better without meds or drugs or alcohol, we have coping skills. I am not narcissistic enough to believe my life sucks. I am very fortunate, I think independently and realize that we aren’t robots. It’s normal and healthy to feel a wide range of emotions, unless I was so depressed that I couldn’t get out of bed and bath and feed myself, I would never take any psych meds.

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Anonymous wrote:Would a non-cute, non-white, non-Instagrammable mom in the same situation be released to her parents? No effing way.

Placing any quad or para into a long term or even short term facility is not always easy. She may not be able to be placed in a prison at this time depending on her medical needs/complexity. This would apply to anyone, homeless drug addicted paraplegics are released back onto the streets. Is it fair? No but it is what it is.

What is this insistence on writing fanfiction that she is “a quad or a para?” So bizarre. That is not what her lawyer saying “she isn’t walking out of the hospital” means.

She’s not going home to mommy and daddy or to Club Med, apologists. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:Her attorney has stated she was prescribed up to 12 psych meds since October 2022. If true, she was likely having major side effects from the mixtures of these meds. There is absolutely no need to prescribe this many psych meds to an otherwise mentally healthy young woman, this is just disgraceful although this is what I suspected. She was grossly overmedicated to the point of possibly causing psychosis. These physicians just hand out SSRIs and anxiolytics like candy, it should only be a psychiatrist doing this not pcp and obgyns. We don’t all need to take SSRIs, there’s something really wrong with our society if we all need emotional blunting.

Why would you assume she was not under the care of a psychiatrist?

I am curious as to who initially prescribed psych meds for her, bet it wasn’t a psych.

If your statement about 12 meds is correct, I have a hard time imagining any OB or PCP prescribing that many, or going through that many combinations, without referring to a psychiatrist.

Yes she was under a psych’s care later on, but I am talking initially. When did she first begin psych meds ever? And who prescribed them and why? I am betting it was either a pcp or obgyn, and I have a major issue with this. How long was she taking psych meds before she ever even saw a psych? Months? Years? Who initially diagnosed her with a mental illness to warrant taking these meds?

Sounds like you have no idea how hard it is to get into a psychiatrist. The wait times are unbelievable. It is often a gift that a PCP or OBGYN issues a prescription.

And it’s doubtful that it was 12 at once. There were probably different cocktails of medication that involved some small number of medications.

Yes, I am well aware how difficult it is. Anyone other than a psych should not be handing these meds out, especially to people without a psych diagnosis.

DP. Well, then we'll have a lot more dead people. I hope you can live with promoting that. (They won't.)

About 1 in every 5 to 6 people will be clinically depressed in their lifetimes. Of the ones who seek help from a physician for it, about 15% will commit suicide within one month if treatment is not started.

You, PP, are going to be responsible for a lot of dead people if you keep this up. Take responsibility for it.

Your numbers are tragic. But the solution is not more anti-depressant medication. If we didn't have guns all over the place, people wouldn't kill themselves so often.

Nope. Most suicidal women don’t use guns.

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Why do soooo many people, so so many, men, women, children, need these medications. Are we all really this broken that we must rely on SSRIs and such in order to prevent us from all committing suicide? How pathetic is this? We must look at the bigger picture here as to why so many are dependent on these meds.

Sure. And while you sort that out, let's critique doctors for saving lives, because -- apparently -- you don't care if they die while you protest the fact that they have access to medications to keep them alive.

How about you limit yourself to advocating for mental health specialist access without ALSO criticizing doctors for saving their patients' lives?

Answer the question? Why do so many people need antidepressants? Could they be misdiagnosed or over medicated, yes of course. Especially when we have pcps and obgyns prescribing them.

Because our world is physically safer than ever. This creates more potential for mental suffering. Plus, American society is broken.

I’m very hesitant to try SSRIs as I think the research demonstrates that they aren’t all that effective. But I would never make this kind of argument. Because it’s not that simple as meds=overuse.

So rather than try to learn how to cope and become mentally stronger we rely on SSRIs? That sounds logical. We should just start newborns on them immediately.

God, I hope you’re a troll. If not, you’re a disgrace.

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Why do soooo many people, so so many, men, women, children, need these medications. Are we all really this broken that we must rely on SSRIs and such in order to prevent us from all committing suicide? How pathetic is this? We must look at the bigger picture here as to why so many are dependent on these meds.

Sure. And while you sort that out, let's critique doctors for saving lives, because -- apparently -- you don't care if they die while you protest the fact that they have access to medications to keep them alive.

How about you limit yourself to advocating for mental health specialist access without ALSO criticizing doctors for saving their patients' lives?

Answer the question? Why do so many people need antidepressants? Could they be misdiagnosed or over medicated, yes of course. Especially when we have pcps and obgyns prescribing them.

Why are they killing themselves?

Yes, why are so many of us depressed enough to warrant taking an antidepressant? This is absurd, are we unable to learn healthy coping skills? We just give up and tell our physicians we want to die? Really?

Yeah, I don't think you know the difference between "tell[ing] our physicians we want to di" and "committing suicide." Pro tip: the latter involves an actual dead body, by definition.

So everyone on an antidepressant is potentially suicidal? Is that how obgyns determine when to prescribe antidepressants? Everyone I know is on an antidepressant, except me, and they were never suicidal.

You have no idea if they were or not. They wouldn’t tell a judgmental trash bag like you.

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Anonymous wrote:Would a non-cute, non-white, non-Instagrammable mom in the same situation be released to her parents? No effing way.

Placing any quad or para into a long term or even short term facility is not always easy. She may not be able to be placed in a prison at this time depending on her medical needs/complexity. This would apply to anyone, homeless drug addicted paraplegics are released back onto the streets. Is it fair? No but it is what it is.

What is this insistence on writing fanfiction that she is “a quad or a para?” So bizarre. That is not what her lawyer saying “she isn’t walking out of the hospital” means.

She’s not going home to mommy and daddy or to Club Med, apologists. Sorry.

Lawyer said she’s not able to walk, that could mean some type of paralysis, ie quadraplegia tetraplegia or paraplegia, and/or multiple broken bones, hence the reason she’s not able to currently walk.

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Anonymous wrote:^^as your agenda

Why do soooo many people, so so many, men, women, children, need these medications. Are we all really this broken that we must rely on SSRIs and such in order to prevent us from all committing suicide? How pathetic is this? We must look at the bigger picture here as to why so many are dependent on these meds.

Sure. And while you sort that out, let's critique doctors for saving lives, because -- apparently -- you don't care if they die while you protest the fact that they have access to medications to keep them alive.

How about you limit yourself to advocating for mental health specialist access without ALSO criticizing doctors for saving their patients' lives?

Answer the question? Why do so many people need antidepressants? Could they be misdiagnosed or over medicated, yes of course. Especially when we have pcps and obgyns prescribing them.

Why are they killing themselves?

Yes, why are so many of us depressed enough to warrant taking an antidepressant? This is absurd, are we unable to learn healthy coping skills? We just give up and tell our physicians we want to die? Really?

Yeah, I don't think you know the difference between "tell[ing] our physicians we want to di" and "committing suicide." Pro tip: the latter involves an actual dead body, by definition.

So everyone on an antidepressant is potentially suicidal? Is that how obgyns determine when to prescribe antidepressants? Everyone I know is on an antidepressant, except me, and they were never suicidal.

How do you know this? I was suicidal several years ago and went to my Dr and got on antidepressants. The only people I ever told about my suicidal thoughts were my Dr. and my spouse. Didn’t tell my parents, my siblings, my friends, or anyone else. I told all of those ppl I was on anti depressants but not that I had been suicidal. I don’t think you know as much as you think you know about others’ lives.

People who express suicidal ideation are not allowed home, generally they are sent to a crisis center and evaluated there. Then admitted to a psych floor.

Wrong. Your black and white thinking, rigidity and lack of nuance is amazing. Are you sure you don’t have autism yourself?

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Anonymous wrote:Would a non-cute, non-white, non-Instagrammable mom in the same situation be released to her parents? No effing way.

Placing any quad or para into a long term or even short term facility is not always easy. She may not be able to be placed in a prison at this time depending on her medical needs/complexity. This would apply to anyone, homeless drug addicted paraplegics are released back onto the streets. Is it fair? No but it is what it is.

What is this insistence on writing fanfiction that she is “a quad or a para?” So bizarre. That is not what her lawyer saying “she isn’t walking out of the hospital” means.

She’s not going home to mommy and daddy or to Club Med, apologists. Sorry.

Lawyer said she’s not able to walk, that could mean some type of paralysis, ie quadraplegia tetraplegia or paraplegia, and/or multiple broken bones, hence the reason she’s not able to currently walk.

“She isn’t walking out of the hospital” means she isn’t medically well enough to walk out, but instead be rolled out in a wheelchair. It could be for any number of medical reasons that don’t include paralysis.

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Anonymous wrote:^^as your agenda

Why do soooo many people, so so many, men, women, children, need these medications. Are we all really this broken that we must rely on SSRIs and such in order to prevent us from all committing suicide? How pathetic is this? We must look at the bigger picture here as to why so many are dependent on these meds.

Sure. And while you sort that out, let's critique doctors for saving lives, because -- apparently -- you don't care if they die while you protest the fact that they have access to medications to keep them alive.

How about you limit yourself to advocating for mental health specialist access without ALSO criticizing doctors for saving their patients' lives?

Answer the question? Why do so many people need antidepressants? Could they be misdiagnosed or over medicated, yes of course. Especially when we have pcps and obgyns prescribing them.

Because our world is physically safer than ever. This creates more potential for mental suffering. Plus, American society is broken.

I’m very hesitant to try SSRIs as I think the research demonstrates that they aren’t all that effective. But I would never make this kind of argument. Because it’s not that simple as meds=overuse.

So rather than try to learn how to cope and become mentally stronger we rely on SSRIs? That sounds logical. We should just start newborns on them immediately.

God, I hope you’re a troll. If not, you’re a disgrace.

You’re simply a product of our me me me generation, everyone is a victim, life sucks so bad, woe is me. I had babies and now I feel differently, I must be depressed then because my obgyn mentioned that I might be, help me please because I have never learned how to face hardship without melting down. I need someone to just understand my hard life because no one in history ever encountered anything as hard as my life .

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You have no idea if they were or not. They wouldn’t tell a judgmental trash bag like you.

+1. People don’t go around telling others about their struggles with depression because there’s so much judgment. Just in this thread so many people saying mental illness isn’t real and we are “weak” for getting medication.

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Anonymous wrote:^^as your agenda

Why do soooo many people, so so many, men, women, children, need these medications. Are we all really this broken that we must rely on SSRIs and such in order to prevent us from all committing suicide? How pathetic is this? We must look at the bigger picture here as to why so many are dependent on these meds.

Sure. And while you sort that out, let's critique doctors for saving lives, because -- apparently -- you don't care if they die while you protest the fact that they have access to medications to keep them alive.

How about you limit yourself to advocating for mental health specialist access without ALSO criticizing doctors for saving their patients' lives?

Answer the question? Why do so many people need antidepressants? Could they be misdiagnosed or over medicated, yes of course. Especially when we have pcps and obgyns prescribing them.

Why are they killing themselves?

Yes, why are so many of us depressed enough to warrant taking an antidepressant? This is absurd, are we unable to learn healthy coping skills? We just give up and tell our physicians we want to die? Really?

Yeah, I don't think you know the difference between "tell[ing] our physicians we want to di" and "committing suicide." Pro tip: the latter involves an actual dead body, by definition.

So everyone on an antidepressant is potentially suicidal? Is that how obgyns determine when to prescribe antidepressants? Everyone I know is on an antidepressant, except me, and they were never suicidal.

How do you know this? I was suicidal several years ago and went to my Dr and got on antidepressants. The only people I ever told about my suicidal thoughts were my Dr. and my spouse. Didn’t tell my parents, my siblings, my friends, or anyone else. I told all of those ppl I was on anti depressants but not that I had been suicidal. I don’t think you know as much as you think you know about others’ lives.

People who express suicidal ideation are not allowed home, generally they are sent to a crisis center and evaluated there. Then admitted to a psych floor.

Wrong. Your black and white thinking, rigidity and lack of nuance is amazing. Are you sure you don’t have autism yourself?

I may have high functioning autism yes, I am brilliant though

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You have no idea if they were or not. They wouldn’t tell a judgmental trash bag like you.

+1. People don’t go around telling others about their struggles with depression because there’s so much judgment. Just in this thread so many people saying mental illness isn’t real and we are “weak” for getting medication.

If this is the way our country is heading, to a place where everyone needs to be medicated to function and because life here is just so unbearable, then I need to move to another country. I am thinking Denmark maybe.

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You’re simply a product of our me me me generation, everyone is a victim, life sucks so bad, woe is me. I had babies and now I feel differently, I must be depressed then because my obgyn mentioned that I might be, help me please because I have never learned how to face hardship without melting down. I need someone to just understand my hard life because no one in history ever encountered anything as hard as my life .

Yeah, because people from previous generations are renowned for their excellent coping skills. So tough. So not in touch with their emotions. So likely to pass on trauma to the next generation.