Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)

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Anonymous wrote:Well, now there is a GFM for Lindsay's legal fees:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/justice-for-lindsay-clancy

It’s against the terms of service. Can’t be used for legal defense of alleged violent crime.

https://medium.com/gofundme-stories/gofundme-policy-on-fundraisers-for-the-legal-defense-of-violent-crimes-975aff8ba5f6

Disgustingly, he can just channel it by funneling it through her parents and having her parents pay the legal fees. GFM is a scourge.

Her GFM was taken down thankfully. Before it was removed they deleted the legal fee language but luckily GFM took it down anyway. Her husband might not be so willing to pay her legal fees after hearing more details. He is going to need a lot of psychiatric help and unable to work for quite a while I would imagine. Maybe he will set up a charity in his kids’ name. So many better uses for the money than his wife’s legal fees.

According to the invitation posted on reddit, her parents and not Patrick were organizing the legal fundraiser that was set for February 20, until the restaurant found out it was Lindsay's fundraiser and canceled it.

There was a paragraphon the invitation about she deserves justice. Patrick wasn't mentioned. I'm sure they are out looking for another venue. Can't imagine who will attend.

I thought the promotional video of Lindsay and Patrick's mom from when they worked together at South Shore Hospital in the L&D unit was very interesting.

L&D nurses can be brutal, nasty prima donnas. I wonder how controlling PC’s mom was/is?

^^nursing in general can be a brutal profession. Nurses eat their young, as they say….there’s really no room for error in nursing. This could’ve definitely contributed to her mental issues. I wonder how long she worked with her MIL? I would never ever want to work with my MIL.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not a Clancy “Stan”, but I do feel sympathy toward her.

Its not because I secretly also want to kill my kids.

It might be due to unconscious bias, as I am also white and a professional. And if so, that’s something I need to acknowledge and actively work against in the future.

But what I think what it is, is that for us sympathizers, we love our kids so much and cannot in a million years imagine killing them, so we assume that Clancy - perhaps because she looks like us? Has a similar lifestyle to us? - must have had something so crazy wrong with her brain for a brief moment because surely she wouldn’t do this on purpose.

Just my two cents. I appreciate everyone’s differing perspectives. Three innocent lives lost, let’s hope some new knowledge / understanding about mental health and social media and unconscious bias comes out of this mess.

Do you think she should be held accountable for her actions?

I feel like I don’t have a deep enough understanding of what was going on here to say whether she should go to prison for life, a psych ward or be released with strict restrictions (like they did with Hinkley). I feel like I’m “missing” something here, because it just does not compute why a woman with so much privilege, intellect (ie she was a nurse / gainfully employed) and options could do this to innocent children.

Like they did with Hickley?? You're skipping over the three-plus decades he spent in institutionalized psychiatric care. He wasn't released with conditions until 35 years later.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not a Clancy “Stan”, but I do feel sympathy toward her.

Its not because I secretly also want to kill my kids.

It might be due to unconscious bias, as I am also white and a professional. And if so, that’s something I need to acknowledge and actively work against in the future.

But what I think what it is, is that for us sympathizers, we love our kids so much and cannot in a million years imagine killing them, so we assume that Clancy - perhaps because she looks like us? Has a similar lifestyle to us? - must have had something so crazy wrong with her brain for a brief moment because surely she wouldn’t do this on purpose.

Just my two cents. I appreciate everyone’s differing perspectives. Three innocent lives lost, let’s hope some new knowledge / understanding about mental health and social media and unconscious bias comes out of this mess.

Not really all that brief.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet all the Lindsay sympathizers still believe that literally “anyone” could forget their kid in a hot car too.

That is completely different and, yes, I absolutely believe it could happen to anyone.

And what is your view on the Clancy case?

From the little that I (we) know, I think she probably did have some sort of psychotic break, but if you are capable of having a psychotic break that leads you to murder three babies (and it wasn't a snap instant like three gunshots- it seems like it would take 5 minutes for EACH KID from what I read)- then you are not safe to be in society and you need to be in an institution somewhere to protect society from your possible future psychotic episodes. I do not think that a parent who, on autopilot, leaves their sleeping baby in the car because they do not typically have their baby in the car with them in the mornings, needs to be institutionalized for the safety of society.

That was not my point at all. My point was that people who think Lindsay’s situation could happen to literally “anyone” also think the hot car situation could happen to literally “anyone.” The absolution of personal responsibility is astounding.

Well that's why I said I think it's completely different. I think that leaving a baby in a hot car truly can happen to anyone, who is going on autopilot and has a change in their daycare drop off routine. I do not believe "anyone" can have a psychotic break that leads to murdering their kids by intense strangulation one by one. I think that can only happen to someone who is dangerously mentally ill and that person needs to be locked away somewhere. I don't know how I feel about assigning blame in either case- because i guess I feel in both cases, of course the parent is to blame (Lindsay is clearly to blame and the mom who leaves her kid in the car is clearly to blame too) but I think one of those is a tragic accident made by someone who is no danger to society and had no intent to harm, and the other was a purposeful, violent, psychotic act made by someone who is absolutely a danger to society and who absolutely had intent to harm- even if the episode was caused by a mental break that was not their fault in any way, and even if that person grieves and regrets every moment of it once they are past their mental breakdown. It still happened and it could still happen again and they can't safely be in society.

I actually think it’s the other way around. Anyone who is mentally sound should be making SURE they take a kid out of the car, the same way they would with keys. I think postpartum psychosis and depression could really happen to anyone arbitrarily, although some people have predispositions based on their mental health history.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, now there is a GFM for Lindsay's legal fees:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/justice-for-lindsay-clancy

It’s against the terms of service. Can’t be used for legal defense of alleged violent crime.

https://medium.com/gofundme-stories/gofundme-policy-on-fundraisers-for-the-legal-defense-of-violent-crimes-975aff8ba5f6

Disgustingly, he can just channel it by funneling it through her parents and having her parents pay the legal fees. GFM is a scourge.

Her GFM was taken down thankfully. Before it was removed they deleted the legal fee language but luckily GFM took it down anyway. Her husband might not be so willing to pay her legal fees after hearing more details. He is going to need a lot of psychiatric help and unable to work for quite a while I would imagine. Maybe he will set up a charity in his kids’ name. So many better uses for the money than his wife’s legal fees.

According to the invitation posted on reddit, her parents and not Patrick were organizing the legal fundraiser that was set for February 20, until the restaurant found out it was Lindsay's fundraiser and canceled it.

There was a paragraphon the invitation about she deserves justice. Patrick wasn't mentioned. I'm sure they are out looking for another venue. Can't imagine who will attend.

I thought the promotional video of Lindsay and Patrick's mom from when they worked together at South Shore Hospital in the L&D unit was very interesting.

L&D nurses can be brutal, nasty prima donnas. I wonder how controlling PC’s mom was/is?

^^nursing in general can be a brutal profession. Nurses eat their young, as they say….there’s really no room for error in nursing. This could’ve definitely contributed to her mental issues. I wonder how long she worked with her MIL? I would never ever want to work with my MIL.

So now we're blaming her mil and her profession

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Anonymous wrote:I bet all the Lindsay sympathizers still believe that literally “anyone” could forget their kid in a hot car too.

That is completely different and, yes, I absolutely believe it could happen to anyone.

And what is your view on the Clancy case?

From the little that I (we) know, I think she probably did have some sort of psychotic break, but if you are capable of having a psychotic break that leads you to murder three babies (and it wasn't a snap instant like three gunshots- it seems like it would take 5 minutes for EACH KID from what I read)- then you are not safe to be in society and you need to be in an institution somewhere to protect society from your possible future psychotic episodes. I do not think that a parent who, on autopilot, leaves their sleeping baby in the car because they do not typically have their baby in the car with them in the mornings, needs to be institutionalized for the safety of society.

That was not my point at all. My point was that people who think Lindsay’s situation could happen to literally “anyone” also think the hot car situation could happen to literally “anyone.” The absolution of personal responsibility is astounding.

Well that's why I said I think it's completely different. I think that leaving a baby in a hot car truly can happen to anyone, who is going on autopilot and has a change in their daycare drop off routine. I do not believe "anyone" can have a psychotic break that leads to murdering their kids by intense strangulation one by one. I think that can only happen to someone who is dangerously mentally ill and that person needs to be locked away somewhere. I don't know how I feel about assigning blame in either case- because i guess I feel in both cases, of course the parent is to blame (Lindsay is clearly to blame and the mom who leaves her kid in the car is clearly to blame too) but I think one of those is a tragic accident made by someone who is no danger to society and had no intent to harm, and the other was a purposeful, violent, psychotic act made by someone who is absolutely a danger to society and who absolutely had intent to harm- even if the episode was caused by a mental break that was not their fault in any way, and even if that person grieves and regrets every moment of it once they are past their mental breakdown. It still happened and it could still happen again and they can't safely be in society.

I actually think it’s the other way around. Anyone who is mentally sound should be making SURE they take a kid out of the car, the same way they would with keys. I think postpartum psychosis and depression could really happen to anyone arbitrarily, although some people have predispositions based on their mental health history.

But multiple studies would prove you wrong about how sane people never forget their kids in the car. There are some really recent interesting articles about it.

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Anonymous wrote:To kill, especially your own children, there has to be mental illness. Right?? A sane person does not kill their own children.

And? Millions of people with mental illness are serving decades to life in prison.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why comments calling out Lindsay sympathizers for being racist are being deleted, except these same people are triggered for being rightfully called out. We all know what this case is about and it’s unacceptable in this day and age.

That’s a shame because I do appreciate the perspective that her race is a part of the sympathy. I don’t think race alone accounts for it - we all know that most mass shooters are white and don’t garner this sympathy - but I think it’s an important discussion. I’d like to say I’d extend the same sympathy if she was Black but then again, if she was Black I’d probably never hear about this case.

I’m not actually seeing much sympathy for Lindsay on this thread!

Then your reading comprehension is terrible.

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There is a documentary called Death of a Child which has the stories of families who lost a child to hot car entrapment - it also presents the evidence from neuroscience which explains how a loving and great parent can forget a sleeping child in a rear facing car seat and not even realize it for an entire work day because of the way muscle memory works and how the brain operates under conditions of stress and/or altered circumstances in the usual routine.

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Anonymous wrote:To kill, especially your own children, there has to be mental illness. Right?? A sane person does not kill their own children.

And? Millions of people with mental illness are serving decades to life in prison.

There’s a huge difference between garden variety mental illness and psychosis, but you knew that didn’t you?

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It should be called what it is: Murder.


Put her with Andrea Yates

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Anonymous wrote:It should be called what it is: Murder.


Put her with Andrea Yates

Andrea Yates— Not guilty by reason of insanity.

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Anonymous wrote:I bet all the Lindsay sympathizers still believe that literally “anyone” could forget their kid in a hot car too.

That is completely different and, yes, I absolutely believe it could happen to anyone.

And what is your view on the Clancy case?

From the little that I (we) know, I think she probably did have some sort of psychotic break, but if you are capable of having a psychotic break that leads you to murder three babies (and it wasn't a snap instant like three gunshots- it seems like it would take 5 minutes for EACH KID from what I read)- then you are not safe to be in society and you need to be in an institution somewhere to protect society from your possible future psychotic episodes. I do not think that a parent who, on autopilot, leaves their sleeping baby in the car because they do not typically have their baby in the car with them in the mornings, needs to be institutionalized for the safety of society.

That was not my point at all. My point was that people who think Lindsay’s situation could happen to literally “anyone” also think the hot car situation could happen to literally “anyone.” The absolution of personal responsibility is astounding.

Well that's why I said I think it's completely different. I think that leaving a baby in a hot car truly can happen to anyone, who is going on autopilot and has a change in their daycare drop off routine. I do not believe "anyone" can have a psychotic break that leads to murdering their kids by intense strangulation one by one. I think that can only happen to someone who is dangerously mentally ill and that person needs to be locked away somewhere. I don't know how I feel about assigning blame in either case- because i guess I feel in both cases, of course the parent is to blame (Lindsay is clearly to blame and the mom who leaves her kid in the car is clearly to blame too) but I think one of those is a tragic accident made by someone who is no danger to society and had no intent to harm, and the other was a purposeful, violent, psychotic act made by someone who is absolutely a danger to society and who absolutely had intent to harm- even if the episode was caused by a mental break that was not their fault in any way, and even if that person grieves and regrets every moment of it once they are past their mental breakdown. It still happened and it could still happen again and they can't safely be in society.

+1,000,000

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Perhaps the drugs has a paradoxical effect - they activated her in a violent way (she felt well enough to carry out her plan). But while I think suicidal ideation/attempts are fairly common with psychiatric meds, I don’t think homicidal behavior is common at all.

If she were truly psychotic, I don’t think she could’ve planned this so meticulously. Perhaps the PPD/meds lowered her inhibitions but I do think she is a danger to society. Just looking at the photo of her in her hospital bed gave me a chill, I could not look at it. She’s terrifying.

Maybe I should have sympathy for her but I don’t - only her husband and three babies.

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Anonymous wrote:To kill, especially your own children, there has to be mental illness. Right?? A sane person does not kill their own children.

And? Millions of people with mental illness are serving decades to life in prison.

There’s a huge difference between garden variety mental illness and psychosis, but you knew that didn’t you?

She hasn’t been diagnosed with “psychosis” by any competent medical provider.

She’s going to prison, but you knew that, didn’t you?