2023 Girls Recruiting

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Another VA Metro commit. Going to Gettysburg. They are racking them up.

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Pride commit to Presbyterian College.

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Anonymous wrote:Waiting on the NY parent and other test optional denier parent to respond with an accept/
reject of this PP’s experience…..

The NY parent (me) authored the post above re: test optionals. And if you read everything I’ve written closely (you should be able to detect my style) you’ll see I’ve been entirely consistent. Other people have written that ivies are not test optional. A quick Google search shows that’s not true as a matter of *policy*. It’s the encouragement / expectation of these coaches to have their recruits test to make them stronger admission candidates that’s at issue. And that’s why, as I’ve explained, these ivy test-optionals aren’t really optional.

You seem to be the only one with an axe to grind here. You’ve offered nothing constructive to this discussion. Others have complimented me for providing detailed, helpful guidance (three by my count). Have a nice day.

DC parent here with two kids who've negotiated process...NY parent offers great guidance. I don't have an issue with the NY "attitude", because parents often need a wake up call. The process is a challenge and going in eyes open is critical. There is a ton of misinformation out there particularly on this forum. Different HA, even within Ivies, have different standards and it's profoundly foolish to bank on test optional next year. Good luck to y'all, glad my family is done.

True. 100%.

Another parent who has gone through the process. (One girl at Capital, another at a top MD club). Completely agree with PP. Ultimately, its about making yourself more recruitable whether its to an ivy or even another non-ivy high academic school like Duke, Stanford, ND, Georgetown or Davidson. Let me drop a couple more truth bombs which may make me even less popular than NY poster.

- Good early test scores are a big differentiator; you aren't required to share them for most schools so there is nothing to lose. Even if you aren't at their standards, if you are close it gives them confidence you can get there when you retake them
- Even more so are 4 or 5s on AP tests taken Freshman or Sophomore year
- Quality of classes taken is probably the most critical. These schools expect all honors classes plus at least 4-6 AP classes before you graduate
- all things being equal, public school kids will have an edge. As part of driving more diversity across student bodies, several schools are "capping" the % of scholarship $$ which can be given to kids from public school. Fully realize at this point there is nothing you can do about this, however, it is important to understand the landscape and why an equally talented girl from your club team may be getting a lot more interest than your kid.


As someone else said, these rules are relaxed if you are a top 40 national player. However, remember for every girl they take who is below standards 3.9 GPA/ 1350-1400, they need 2 more who are WELL above it

My sense is that the 1350-1400 scores are the "offsetting scores" for the Ivy recruiting classes. Meaning, top players are coming in lower than that, (but of course, have the offset of a rigorous course load and an A average.)

It's math, if the average score needed for a recruiting class is 1400, then these recruiting classes would need a couple players scoring >1500 to offset the 1250-1300 scores. Is that a reasonable expectation that all these schools would be able to identify multiple players scoring >1500 each year? IMO, not likely. It is more likely that along with the rigorous course load and all As, the average score of these recruiting classes is 1300, so the 1400s are offsetting the 1200s.

Every school's standards will be a bit different. I can tell you that the high end of the Ivy League admissions (Harvard, Princeton, Penn, Yale) and Stanford , the average score is well above 1400. Stanford probably requires the even high standards for its recruited athletes than the Ivies.

The number you are referencing are probably closer to the most scholarship-eligible high academic schools (Duke, Gtown, Notre Dame). Also, while not "high academic", USC requires very high numbers. (I think we all know what that is).

My post was specific to the Ivy League and similar (i.e. Stanford), because the posts seem to vary on Ivy and similar recruiting. From this forum recently, it seems that many PPs have shared their experiences that 1350 to 1400 is what the players generally need for the Ivies and similar, and there is agreement there are a few exceptions per year for lower scores for players with rigorous courses and all A's. Your post indicated that the average is "well above 1400", and you seem to have a broader than PP perspective. If that is the case, the 8 Ivy league schools and Stanford (and maybe Duke, Northwestern and Hopkins) would need multiple players that score >1500 to average the "well above 1400" (let's say 1450) for their recruiting classes each year.

Does that seem reasonable to you (or anyone) that approximately half of the recruits at the Ivy and similar schools score >1500 (to offset the 1300-1400 range scores) to achieve an average of 1450? If that is the case, then that does not seem to align with the recent PP posts or recruiting guidance received.

Remember that GPA, weighted GPA, AP classes and other things impact academic index, but yes a majority of top Ivy recruits have more than 1400 on their SATs.

Also for reference, Northwestern requirements for athletes are well below that of Stanford, Duke, Hopkins and Georgetown. NW brought in a couple girls in past few years who couldn't get admitted to Stanford.

This is just patently false.

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Anonymous wrote:Waiting on the NY parent and other test optional denier parent to respond with an accept/
reject of this PP’s experience…..

The NY parent (me) authored the post above re: test optionals. And if you read everything I’ve written closely (you should be able to detect my style) you’ll see I’ve been entirely consistent. Other people have written that ivies are not test optional. A quick Google search shows that’s not true as a matter of *policy*. It’s the encouragement / expectation of these coaches to have their recruits test to make them stronger admission candidates that’s at issue. And that’s why, as I’ve explained, these ivy test-optionals aren’t really optional.

You seem to be the only one with an axe to grind here. You’ve offered nothing constructive to this discussion. Others have complimented me for providing detailed, helpful guidance (three by my count). Have a nice day.

DC parent here with two kids who've negotiated process...NY parent offers great guidance. I don't have an issue with the NY "attitude", because parents often need a wake up call. The process is a challenge and going in eyes open is critical. There is a ton of misinformation out there particularly on this forum. Different HA, even within Ivies, have different standards and it's profoundly foolish to bank on test optional next year. Good luck to y'all, glad my family is done.

True. 100%.

Another parent who has gone through the process. (One girl at Capital, another at a top MD club). Completely agree with PP. Ultimately, its about making yourself more recruitable whether its to an ivy or even another non-ivy high academic school like Duke, Stanford, ND, Georgetown or Davidson. Let me drop a couple more truth bombs which may make me even less popular than NY poster.

- Good early test scores are a big differentiator; you aren't required to share them for most schools so there is nothing to lose. Even if you aren't at their standards, if you are close it gives them confidence you can get there when you retake them
- Even more so are 4 or 5s on AP tests taken Freshman or Sophomore year
- Quality of classes taken is probably the most critical. These schools expect all honors classes plus at least 4-6 AP classes before you graduate
- all things being equal, public school kids will have an edge. As part of driving more diversity across student bodies, several schools are "capping" the % of scholarship $$ which can be given to kids from public school. Fully realize at this point there is nothing you can do about this, however, it is important to understand the landscape and why an equally talented girl from your club team may be getting a lot more interest than your kid.


As someone else said, these rules are relaxed if you are a top 40 national player. However, remember for every girl they take who is below standards 3.9 GPA/ 1350-1400, they need 2 more who are WELL above it

My sense is that the 1350-1400 scores are the "offsetting scores" for the Ivy recruiting classes. Meaning, top players are coming in lower than that, (but of course, have the offset of a rigorous course load and an A average.)

It's math, if the average score needed for a recruiting class is 1400, then these recruiting classes would need a couple players scoring >1500 to offset the 1250-1300 scores. Is that a reasonable expectation that all these schools would be able to identify multiple players scoring >1500 each year? IMO, not likely. It is more likely that along with the rigorous course load and all As, the average score of these recruiting classes is 1300, so the 1400s are offsetting the 1200s.

Every school's standards will be a bit different. I can tell you that the high end of the Ivy League admissions (Harvard, Princeton, Penn, Yale) and Stanford , the average score is well above 1400. Stanford probably requires the even high standards for its recruited athletes than the Ivies.

The number you are referencing are probably closer to the most scholarship-eligible high academic schools (Duke, Gtown, Notre Dame). Also, while not "high academic", USC requires very high numbers. (I think we all know what that is).

My post was specific to the Ivy League and similar (i.e. Stanford), because the posts seem to vary on Ivy and similar recruiting. From this forum recently, it seems that many PPs have shared their experiences that 1350 to 1400 is what the players generally need for the Ivies and similar, and there is agreement there are a few exceptions per year for lower scores for players with rigorous courses and all A's. Your post indicated that the average is "well above 1400", and you seem to have a broader than PP perspective. If that is the case, the 8 Ivy league schools and Stanford (and maybe Duke, Northwestern and Hopkins) would need multiple players that score >1500 to average the "well above 1400" (let's say 1450) for their recruiting classes each year.

Does that seem reasonable to you (or anyone) that approximately half of the recruits at the Ivy and similar schools score >1500 (to offset the 1300-1400 range scores) to achieve an average of 1450? If that is the case, then that does not seem to align with the recent PP posts or recruiting guidance received.

Remember that GPA, weighted GPA, AP classes and other things impact academic index, but yes a majority of top Ivy recruits have more than 1400 on their SATs.

Also for reference, Northwestern requirements for athletes are well below that of Stanford, Duke, Hopkins and Georgetown. NW brought in a couple girls in past few years who couldn't get admitted to Stanford.

This is just patently false.

Additionally, the majority of Ivy recruits having more than 1400 is not accurate. Maybe half are over 1400.

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Anonymous wrote:Waiting on the NY parent and other test optional denier parent to respond with an accept/
reject of this PP’s experience…..

The NY parent (me) authored the post above re: test optionals. And if you read everything I’ve written closely (you should be able to detect my style) you’ll see I’ve been entirely consistent. Other people have written that ivies are not test optional. A quick Google search shows that’s not true as a matter of *policy*. It’s the encouragement / expectation of these coaches to have their recruits test to make them stronger admission candidates that’s at issue. And that’s why, as I’ve explained, these ivy test-optionals aren’t really optional.

You seem to be the only one with an axe to grind here. You’ve offered nothing constructive to this discussion. Others have complimented me for providing detailed, helpful guidance (three by my count). Have a nice day.

There shouldn't be much debate around this here. Ivy league athletics need to have a average academic index between 190-195 (this combines unweighted GPA, SAT -V and SAT -M).

About half the recruiting class will be in the range. about a third will be above it. You may see a few kids in the 180s and a absolutely stud can get as low as 170.

Do the math. Some kids will try to game the system by not taking many advanced classes since weighted GPA doesn't count.




DC parent here with two kids who've negotiated process...NY parent offers great guidance. I don't have an issue with the NY "attitude", because parents often need a wake up call. The process is a challenge and going in eyes open is critical. There is a ton of misinformation out there particularly on this forum. Different HA, even within Ivies, have different standards and it's profoundly foolish to bank on test optional next year. Good luck to y'all, glad my family is done.

True. 100%.

Another parent who has gone through the process. (One girl at Capital, another at a top MD club). Completely agree with PP. Ultimately, its about making yourself more recruitable whether its to an ivy or even another non-ivy high academic school like Duke, Stanford, ND, Georgetown or Davidson. Let me drop a couple more truth bombs which may make me even less popular than NY poster.

- Good early test scores are a big differentiator; you aren't required to share them for most schools so there is nothing to lose. Even if you aren't at their standards, if you are close it gives them confidence you can get there when you retake them
- Even more so are 4 or 5s on AP tests taken Freshman or Sophomore year
- Quality of classes taken is probably the most critical. These schools expect all honors classes plus at least 4-6 AP classes before you graduate
- all things being equal, public school kids will have an edge. As part of driving more diversity across student bodies, several schools are "capping" the % of scholarship $$ which can be given to kids from public school. Fully realize at this point there is nothing you can do about this, however, it is important to understand the landscape and why an equally talented girl from your club team may be getting a lot more interest than your kid.


As someone else said, these rules are relaxed if you are a top 40 national player. However, remember for every girl they take who is below standards 3.9 GPA/ 1350-1400, they need 2 more who are WELL above it

My sense is that the 1350-1400 scores are the "offsetting scores" for the Ivy recruiting classes. Meaning, top players are coming in lower than that, (but of course, have the offset of a rigorous course load and an A average.)

It's math, if the average score needed for a recruiting class is 1400, then these recruiting classes would need a couple players scoring >1500 to offset the 1250-1300 scores. Is that a reasonable expectation that all these schools would be able to identify multiple players scoring >1500 each year? IMO, not likely. It is more likely that along with the rigorous course load and all As, the average score of these recruiting classes is 1300, so the 1400s are offsetting the 1200s.

Every school's standards will be a bit different. I can tell you that the high end of the Ivy League admissions (Harvard, Princeton, Penn, Yale) and Stanford , the average score is well above 1400. Stanford probably requires the even high standards for its recruited athletes than the Ivies.

The number you are referencing are probably closer to the most scholarship-eligible high academic schools (Duke, Gtown, Notre Dame). Also, while not "high academic", USC requires very high numbers. (I think we all know what that is).

My post was specific to the Ivy League and similar (i.e. Stanford), because the posts seem to vary on Ivy and similar recruiting. From this forum recently, it seems that many PPs have shared their experiences that 1350 to 1400 is what the players generally need for the Ivies and similar, and there is agreement there are a few exceptions per year for lower scores for players with rigorous courses and all A's. Your post indicated that the average is "well above 1400", and you seem to have a broader than PP perspective. If that is the case, the 8 Ivy league schools and Stanford (and maybe Duke, Northwestern and Hopkins) would need multiple players that score >1500 to average the "well above 1400" (let's say 1450) for their recruiting classes each year.

Does that seem reasonable to you (or anyone) that approximately half of the recruits at the Ivy and similar schools score >1500 (to offset the 1300-1400 range scores) to achieve an average of 1450? If that is the case, then that does not seem to align with the recent PP posts or recruiting guidance received.

Remember that GPA, weighted GPA, AP classes and other things impact academic index, but yes a majority of top Ivy recruits have more than 1400 on their SATs.

Also for reference, Northwestern requirements for athletes are well below that of Stanford, Duke, Hopkins and Georgetown. NW brought in a couple girls in past few years who couldn't get admitted to Stanford.

This is just patently false.

Additionally, the majority of Ivy recruits having more than 1400 is not accurate. Maybe half are over 1400.

[Anonymous]

I am a middle school parent looking at programs for high school. Did the situation at Pride get any better in terms of recruiting etc?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a middle school parent looking at programs for high school. Did the situation at Pride get any better in terms of recruiting etc?

In short: No.

[Anonymous]

Troll

[Anonymous]

I have a ‘25 who is an excellent student and lax player. I’ve heard that lax will help her get into an Ivy or other top school like MIT or Stanford but they won’t give her any break in tuition for it. Which schools would give her lax scholarship $? Just top state schools? What about other private colleges or top Catholic schools like ND, Georgetown, or BC?

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Anonymous wrote:I have a ‘25 who is an excellent student and lax player. I’ve heard that lax will help her get into an Ivy or other top school like MIT or Stanford but they won’t give her any break in tuition for it. Which schools would give her lax scholarship $? Just top state schools? What about other private colleges or top Catholic schools like ND, Georgetown, or BC?

slow your roll, dude. have you even asked your daughter if she wants to play lax in college?

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Anonymous wrote:I have a ‘25 who is an excellent student and lax player. I’ve heard that lax will help her get into an Ivy or other top school like MIT or Stanford but they won’t give her any break in tuition for it. Which schools would give her lax scholarship $? Just top state schools? What about other private colleges or top Catholic schools like ND, Georgetown, or BC?

slow your roll, dude. have you even asked your daughter if she wants to play lax in college?

No one else is thinking about college costs and recruiting in freshman spring? come on

[Anonymous]

First, your DD needs to compete at a very high level to be recruited to a top level D1. She also needs to be on a team with a club that has a track record of placing commits, one that has access to / enters teams in the right tournaments where top D1 coaches are watching the summer before 9/1 of her junior year. Ivies offer no scholarships. Stanford may. Other top private and public schools do offer $. But a word of warning: as you prioritize academics, if you’re in this for the money instead of trying to use to sport to help your daughter gain entry into to a high caliber school in this ever-competitive college admissions environment, you may be disappointed. Sometimes the two don’t go hand in hand. A lot of stars have to align in order for your DD to be in contention for a top academic D1 where meaningful money is on the table.

[Anonymous]

Agree with the above and grades grades grades. Sometimes programs can find money for a player thru other channels at the school...but grades have to be on par with scholarship levels at that particular school. It is somewhat false to say you have to be on a top team top get D1 recruited, but you have to be seen. At the club level...W and Ls do not count as much, but you have to be seen as a player. Play on a team that gets you played, and you look talented.

Lacrosse program money isn't big money. Lacrosse doesn't make money for athletic programs. A team will have a sum that they distribute. If money is a concern...lacrosse won't pay the bills.

In this area the track record isn't amazing for top 25 D1 programs. You can review this post in itself for that research.

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"Also for reference, Northwestern requirements for athletes are well below that of Stanford, Duke, Hopkins and Georgetown. NW brought in a couple girls in past few years who couldn't get admitted to Stanford"

Incorrect. DD attended multiple camps at NW and all the information she received stated SATs, GPA, AP course load was similar to the schools listed above.

Our son was admitted to the USNA - he was rejected from NW.

[Anonymous]

The Ivy League uses the Academic Index as has been stated here before. Everyone must meet a minimum requirement for admission that is pretty high relatively speaking. That being said the coaches average out their recruiting classes to this index, meaning they can bring players in on the lower end of the spectrum as long as they balance it out with players on the higher end of the scale. Therefore they can get players in that may not have gotten in on academics alone as long as there are girls in the recruiting class that can balance it out. Everyone who is admitted is a great student to begin with, the lax factor however will tip the needle in your favor either way.