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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Waiting on the NY parent and other test optional denier parent to respond with an accept/
reject of this PP’s experience…..[/quote]

The NY parent (me) authored the post above re: test optionals. And if you read everything I’ve written closely (you should be able to detect my style) you’ll see I’ve been entirely consistent. Other people have written that ivies are not test optional. A quick Google search shows that’s not true as a matter of *policy*. It’s the encouragement / expectation of these coaches to have their recruits test to make them stronger admission candidates that’s at issue. And that’s why, as I’ve explained, these ivy test-optionals aren’t really optional.

You seem to be the only one with an axe to grind here. You’ve offered nothing constructive to this discussion. Others have complimented me for providing detailed, helpful guidance (three by my count). Have a nice day. [/quote]

DC parent here with two kids who've negotiated process...NY parent offers great guidance. I don't have an issue with the NY &quot;attitude&quot;, because parents often need a wake up call. The process is a challenge and going in eyes open is critical. There is a ton of misinformation out there particularly on this forum. Different HA, even within Ivies, have different standards and it's [b]profoundly foolish to bank on test optional next year. [/b]Good luck to y'all, glad my family is done.[/quote]

True. 100%. [/quote]

Another parent who has gone through the process.  (One girl at Capital, another at a top MD club).  Completely agree with PP.   Ultimately, its about making yourself more recruitable whether its to an ivy or even another non-ivy high academic school like Duke, Stanford, ND, Georgetown or Davidson.   Let me drop a couple more truth bombs which may make me even less popular than NY poster.

- Good early test scores are a big differentiator;  you aren't required to share them for most schools so there is nothing to lose.   Even if you aren't at their standards, if you are close it gives them confidence you can get there when you retake them
- Even more so are 4 or 5s on AP tests taken Freshman or Sophomore year
- Quality of classes taken is probably the most critical.    These schools expect all honors classes plus at least 4-6 AP classes before you graduate
- all things being equal, public school kids will have an edge.   As part of driving more diversity across student bodies, several schools are &quot;capping&quot; the % of scholarship $$ which can be given to kids from public school.   Fully realize at this point there is nothing you can do about this, however, it is important to understand the landscape and why an equally talented girl from your club team may be getting a lot more interest than your kid.

As someone else said, these rules are relaxed if you are a top 40 national player.   However, remember for every girl they take who is below standards 3.9 GPA/ 1350-1400, they need 2 more who are WELL above it[/quote]

My sense is that the 1350-1400 scores are the &quot;offsetting scores&quot; for the Ivy recruiting classes.  Meaning, top players are coming in lower than that, (but of course, have the offset of a rigorous course load and an A average.)

It's math, if the average score needed for a recruiting class is 1400, then these recruiting classes would need a couple players scoring &gt;1500 to offset the 1250-1300 scores.  Is that a reasonable expectation that all these schools would be able to identify multiple players scoring &gt;1500 each year?  IMO, not likely.  It is more likely that along with the rigorous course load and all As, the average score of these recruiting classes is 1300, so the 1400s are offsetting the 1200s.

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Every school's standards will be a bit different.   I can tell you that the high end of the Ivy League admissions (Harvard, Princeton, Penn, Yale) and Stanford , the average score is well above 1400.   Stanford probably requires the even high standards for its recruited athletes than the Ivies.

The number you are referencing are probably closer to the most scholarship-eligible high academic schools (Duke, Gtown, Notre Dame).   Also, while not &quot;high academic&quot;, USC requires very high numbers.  (I think we all know what that is). [/quote]

My post was specific to the Ivy League and similar (i.e. Stanford), because the posts seem to vary on Ivy and similar recruiting.  From this forum recently, it seems that many PPs have shared their experiences that 1350 to 1400 is what the players generally need for the Ivies and similar, and there is agreement there are a few exceptions per year for lower scores for players with rigorous courses and all A's.  Your post indicated that the average is &quot;well above 1400&quot;, and you seem to have a broader than PP perspective.  If that is the case, the 8 Ivy league schools and Stanford (and maybe Duke, Northwestern and Hopkins) would need multiple players that score &gt;1500 to average the &quot;well above 1400&quot; (let's say 1450) for their recruiting classes each year.

Does that seem reasonable to you (or anyone) that approximately half of the recruits at the Ivy and similar schools score &gt;1500 (to offset the 1300-1400 range scores) to achieve an average of 1450? If that is the case, then that does not seem to align with the recent PP posts or recruiting guidance received.

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Remember that GPA, weighted GPA, AP classes and other things impact academic index, but yes a majority of top Ivy recruits have more than 1400 on their SATs.

[b]Also for reference,  Northwestern requirements for athletes  are well below that of Stanford, Duke, Hopkins and Georgetown.[/b]  NW brought in a couple girls in past few years who couldn't get admitted to Stanford.[/quote]

This is just patently false.[/quote]

Additionally, the majority of Ivy recruits having more than 1400 is not accurate.  Maybe half are over 1400.[/quote]

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