Covid at UVA

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Anonymous wrote:Most of these kids are vaccinated by now. Delta is going to infect some, no matter what. They'll be sick and get over it. Life goes on, OP.

Some will die, some will have shortened lives, some will have chronic conditions and some will not be able to have families or hold a job. In the end, a lot of family lines will die off and human population will be significantly culled. It will be great for the Earth.

highly unlikely. Maybe if they had some other health issues going on.

Last school year 2 kids from my kid's college killed themselves by jumping off a tall building (two separte incidents, several weeks apart.) ZERO died of Covid. I'm far more concerned about the mental health of our young adults than Covid.

Can you acknowledge, somewhere in the echoing chamber of your skull, that contagious airborne diseases are a community risk, and we must team up to protect our most vulnerable? This includes vaccinated people who have waning immunity, the elderly who cannot mount a sufficient immune response despite multiple shots, the medically fragile, those who are allergic to a component of the vaccine and those who cannot yet receive a shot because they are in chemo. It also includes some children.

And when hospitals are overwhelmed, the increased mortality risk reaches EVERYONE, EVEN YOU. People die from easily-treated injuries or illnesses that would in normal times not have sealed their fate! This is happening all over the high-Covid states, in places where there are no ICU beds, or personnel is so beaten down they end up making mistakes.

It's one thing to declare that you are not a team player and you prefer having half a million excess American deaths every year from Covid for the foreseeable future, just so you can lead a normal life (flu kllls 30-50K a year).

It's quite another to say and do silly things without realizing exactly what the consequences are to your community and your country.

+1,000 to the bold. But you and I are lone voices on threads like this one. There are so many people who don't know and do not care how disease transmission works, nor do they care about community risk, and their response to the vulnerable is to tell them to stay home forever. They also seem to insist that covid is pretty much like the flu now, endemic and not that big a deal. They say people like you and me are "hysterical" and should "go live the basement" etc. They are the reason the pandemic has gone on and on, and the reason more will die or suffer long covid. But PP in the bold -- you ARE right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of these kids are vaccinated by now. Delta is going to infect some, no matter what. They'll be sick and get over it. Life goes on, OP.

This. We are talking about fully vaccinated 18-22 year olds. They will almost certainly be fine if they get COVID.

They'll be fine. And what about their families and communities when they bring home covid infections? Are all of you just choosing to ignore the fact that vaccinated people can have the virus asymptomatically and can infect others? Or are you willing to let your college students stay on campus through every break, yes, even Christmas break, so they keep any infection on campus? What is with the people on these boards pretending that college students live in magical bubbles and aren't going to spread infection when they go home for breaks? I hope all of you "they're fine!" people at least insist your students get tested before they come home.

What is it with people like you who act as if you are in charge of public health and continually ignore and discount the significant price young people have paid since the beginning of the pandemic to protect older and more vulnerable members of the community? At some point, the burden needs to shift away from young people who are less individual risk from COVID and who have already sacrificed important years of their lives for public health, and who also, despite the low risk to themselves, have done their part to advance public health by getting vaccinated. Why does none of that matter to you?

Also, as to the bolded, you might want to do some more research about whether asymptomatic vaccinated people are spreading the virus, because the truth is, we really don't know how common that is. You think it is common, but show us the research. We will wait, because there isn't any. When you combine the reduced risk of becoming infected, the shorter time of infectiousness, and other factors relevant to young people, the as yet unknown risk of vaccinated people transmitting the virus is far outweighed by the significant costs that have already been paid by young people and that will continue to be paid if zero COVID warriors like you have their way.

I'd rather die from an infection my kid who is vaccinated and wears masks in public places brings home than continue to watch him suffer from isolation, hopelessness, and anxiety. In fact, I'd give my life if it meant that my kids and others could return to more normal lives. My kids are happy to wear masks, distance as much as possible, and follow all other rules in place wherever they are. They are doing their part. I'm older and at high risk if I get COVID, but I won't demand that any young people give up their lives to protect me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most of these kids are vaccinated by now. Delta is going to infect some, no matter what. They'll be sick and get over it. Life goes on, OP.

This. We are talking about fully vaccinated 18-22 year olds. They will almost certainly be fine if they get COVID.

College professor here, teaching in person and happy to be doing so. But to state the obvious, there are a *lot* of people on college campuses who are not 18-22 year olds and who have direct contact with students. Besides faculty, there are also food service workers, maintenance workers, residence hall staff, and so on. Universities are major employers responsible for the health of many people other than students. I have two kids in college. I get it. It's just a lot more complicated than it looks from the outside.

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I have a bit of a hard time reading about how teens in the DMV have "sacrificed years of their lives" just to save their older relatives.

I am sorry, but seeing your friends outdoors and giving your power point over Zoom are not true hardships. What about the generations that went overseas when bombs and napalm were flying? That is true sacrifice. I get it that prom pictures are nice, but the tone of some of these posts show how very spoiled we have become.

Where would America be if those who came before us were not willing to give even conveniences up for the greater good?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a bit of a hard time reading about how teens in the DMV have "sacrificed years of their lives" just to save their older relatives.

I am sorry, but seeing your friends outdoors and giving your power point over Zoom are not true hardships. What about the generations that went overseas when bombs and napalm were flying? That is true sacrifice. I get it that prom pictures are nice, but the tone of some of these posts show how very spoiled we have become.

Where would America be if those who came before us were not willing to give even conveniences up for the greater good?

Zoom school is soul-crushing and by the way, it didn't get rid of COVID, so how is continuing it serving the greater good?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a bit of a hard time reading about how teens in the DMV have "sacrificed years of their lives" just to save their older relatives.

I am sorry, but seeing your friends outdoors and giving your power point over Zoom are not true hardships. What about the generations that went overseas when bombs and napalm were flying? That is true sacrifice. I get it that prom pictures are nice, but the tone of some of these posts show how very spoiled we have become.

Where would America be if those who came before us were not willing to give even conveniences up for the greater good?

Zoom school is soul-crushing and by the way, it didn't get rid of COVID, so how is continuing it serving the greater good?

Oh, and by the way, do you have friends who have kids in college? Because I do, and at least three of them had kids who had mental breakdowns last year. Sorry they aren't mentally tough enough for you, but virtual classes, quarantine and complete isolation in hotel rooms (repeatedly), giving up normal college activities, including in person interaction and the ability to meet new people took its toll.

Human contact and interaction is not a luxury and it's not spoiled to long for it. It is a basic human need.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of these kids are vaccinated by now. Delta is going to infect some, no matter what. They'll be sick and get over it. Life goes on, OP.

Some will die, some will have shortened lives, some will have chronic conditions and some will not be able to have families or hold a job. In the end, a lot of family lines will die off and human population will be significantly culled. It will be great for the Earth.

A UVA student is far more likely to die from alcohol poisoning than COVID.

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Kids could see each other outdoors. They could go out to restaurants outdoors. They could stay in touch via social media. They could be at home with their families.

I am not saying it was ideal, I was saying it was not "soul crushing."

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College students’ behavior affects more than just themselves. The Charlottesville community is intertwined and will be affected by a rise in cases.

No one if advocating for everyone to go home and do classes on zoom. But UVA can afford to require weekly testing and should do so. They are putting their heads in the sand now. What about the kids whose mental health is affected by others’ reckless partying and symptomatic kids not getting tested in their dorms?

We can care about Covid, the community and mental health with reasonable, common sense policies. It’s not all or nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of these kids are vaccinated by now. Delta is going to infect some, no matter what. They'll be sick and get over it. Life goes on, OP.

This. We are talking about fully vaccinated 18-22 year olds. They will almost certainly be fine if they get COVID.

They'll be fine. And what about their families and communities when they bring home covid infections? Are all of you just choosing to ignore the fact that vaccinated people can have the virus asymptomatically and can infect others? Or are you willing to let your college students stay on campus through every break, yes, even Christmas break, so they keep any infection on campus? What is with the people on these boards pretending that college students live in magical bubbles and aren't going to spread infection when they go home for breaks? I hope all of you "they're fine!" people at least insist your students get tested before they come home.

What is it with people like you who act as if you are in charge of public health and continually ignore and discount the significant price young people have paid since the beginning of the pandemic to protect older and more vulnerable members of the community? At some point, the burden needs to shift away from young people who are less individual risk from COVID and who have already sacrificed important years of their lives for public health, and who also, despite the low risk to themselves, have done their part to advance public health by getting vaccinated. Why does none of that matter to you?

Also, as to the bolded, you might want to do some more research about whether asymptomatic vaccinated people are spreading the virus, because the truth is, we really don't know how common that is. You think it is common, but show us the research. We will wait, because there isn't any. When you combine the reduced risk of becoming infected, the shorter time of infectiousness, and other factors relevant to young people, the as yet unknown risk of vaccinated people transmitting the virus is far outweighed by the significant costs that have already been paid by young people and that will continue to be paid if zero COVID warriors like you have their way.

I'd rather die from an infection my kid who is vaccinated and wears masks in public places brings home than continue to watch him suffer from isolation, hopelessness, and anxiety. In fact, I'd give my life if it meant that my kids and others could return to more normal lives. My kids are happy to wear masks, distance as much as possible, and follow all other rules in place wherever they are. They are doing their part. I'm older and at high risk if I get COVID, but I won't demand that any young people give up their lives to protect me.

OMG you are an idiot.

Kids are fine. it's their moronic parents that are the problem. Screaming "my freedoms" "kids social isolation for wearing masks" Sure teach your kids to not care about others in the human race. You win a horrible parent trophy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of these kids are vaccinated by now. Delta is going to infect some, no matter what. They'll be sick and get over it. Life goes on, OP.

Some will die, some will have shortened lives, some will have chronic conditions and some will not be able to have families or hold a job. In the end, a lot of family lines will die off and human population will be significantly culled. It will be great for the Earth.

highly unlikely. Maybe if they had some other health issues going on.

Last school year 2 kids from my kid's college killed themselves by jumping off a tall building (two separte incidents, several weeks apart.) ZERO died of Covid. I'm far more concerned about the mental health of our young adults than Covid.

Can you acknowledge, somewhere in the echoing chamber of your skull, that contagious airborne diseases are a community risk, and we must team up to protect our most vulnerable? This includes vaccinated people who have waning immunity, the elderly who cannot mount a sufficient immune response despite multiple shots, the medically fragile, those who are allergic to a component of the vaccine and those who cannot yet receive a shot because they are in chemo. It also includes some children.

And when hospitals are overwhelmed, the increased mortality risk reaches EVERYONE, EVEN YOU. People die from easily-treated injuries or illnesses that would in normal times not have sealed their fate! This is happening all over the high-Covid states, in places where there are no ICU beds, or personnel is so beaten down they end up making mistakes.

It's one thing to declare that you are not a team player and you prefer having half a million excess American deaths every year from Covid for the foreseeable future, just so you can lead a normal life (flu kllls 30-50K a year).

It's quite another to say and do silly things without realizing exactly what the consequences are to your community and your country.

+1,000 to the bold. But you and I are lone voices on threads like this one. There are so many people who don't know and do not care how disease transmission works, nor do they care about community risk, and their response to the vulnerable is to tell them to stay home forever. They also seem to insist that covid is pretty much like the flu now, endemic and not that big a deal. They say people like you and me are "hysterical" and should "go live the basement" etc. They are the reason the pandemic has gone on and on, and the reason more will die or suffer long covid. But PP in the bold -- you ARE right.

Wrong. This pandemic isn't ending until we reach herd immunity. Period. Everyone who has been willing to get vaccinated has done so. We need the rest to acquire natural immunity. Of course, we don't want hospitals to be overwhelmed, so we need to track that and respond accordingly. The sooner we reach herd immunity, the better for everyone - especially the vulnerable. So why prolong it? I'm hoping that once the vaccine is approved for under 12, we will stop fretting about cases, especially among the vaccinated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of these kids are vaccinated by now. Delta is going to infect some, no matter what. They'll be sick and get over it. Life goes on, OP.

This. We are talking about fully vaccinated 18-22 year olds. They will almost certainly be fine if they get COVID.

They'll be fine. And what about their families and communities when they bring home covid infections? Are all of you just choosing to ignore the fact that vaccinated people can have the virus asymptomatically and can infect others? Or are you willing to let your college students stay on campus through every break, yes, even Christmas break, so they keep any infection on campus? What is with the people on these boards pretending that college students live in magical bubbles and aren't going to spread infection when they go home for breaks? I hope all of you "they're fine!" people at least insist your students get tested before they come home.

What is it with people like you who act as if you are in charge of public health and continually ignore and discount the significant price young people have paid since the beginning of the pandemic to protect older and more vulnerable members of the community? At some point, the burden needs to shift away from young people who are less individual risk from COVID and who have already sacrificed important years of their lives for public health, and who also, despite the low risk to themselves, have done their part to advance public health by getting vaccinated. Why does none of that matter to you?

Also, as to the bolded, you might want to do some more research about whether asymptomatic vaccinated people are spreading the virus, because the truth is, we really don't know how common that is. You think it is common, but show us the research. We will wait, because there isn't any. When you combine the reduced risk of becoming infected, the shorter time of infectiousness, and other factors relevant to young people, the as yet unknown risk of vaccinated people transmitting the virus is far outweighed by the significant costs that have already been paid by young people and that will continue to be paid if zero COVID warriors like you have their way.

I'd rather die from an infection my kid who is vaccinated and wears masks in public places brings home than continue to watch him suffer from isolation, hopelessness, and anxiety. In fact, I'd give my life if it meant that my kids and others could return to more normal lives. My kids are happy to wear masks, distance as much as possible, and follow all other rules in place wherever they are. They are doing their part. I'm older and at high risk if I get COVID, but I won't demand that any young people give up their lives to protect me.

OMG you are an idiot.

Kids are fine. it's their moronic parents that are the problem. Screaming "my freedoms" "kids social isolation for wearing masks" Sure teach your kids to not care about others in the human race. You win a horrible parent trophy.

I never said that. My kids wear masks and don't find it burdensome at all. You didn't read what I wrote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:College students’ behavior affects more than just themselves. The Charlottesville community is intertwined and will be affected by a rise in cases.

No one if advocating for everyone to go home and do classes on zoom. But UVA can afford to require weekly testing and should do so. They are putting their heads in the sand now. What about the kids whose mental health is affected by others’ reckless partying and symptomatic kids not getting tested in their dorms?

We can care about Covid, the community and mental health with reasonable, common sense policies. It’s not all or nothing.

I understand what you are saying about symptomatic people not getting tested. The problem though is that public health experts do not agree on whether screening testing of asymptomatic vaccinated people is effective or worth it. Maybe it is worth it to gather information, but if leads to long quarantines for vaccinated people who already wear masks in public spaces, does the benefit justify the cost?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a bit of a hard time reading about how teens in the DMV have "sacrificed years of their lives" just to save their older relatives.

I am sorry, but seeing your friends outdoors and giving your power point over Zoom are not true hardships. What about the generations that went overseas when bombs and napalm were flying? That is true sacrifice. I get it that prom pictures are nice, but the tone of some of these posts show how very spoiled we have become.

Where would America be if those who came before us were not willing to give even conveniences up for the greater good?

Zoom school is soul-crushing and by the way, it didn't get rid of COVID, so how is continuing it serving the greater good?

Oh, and by the way, do you have friends who have kids in college? Because I do, and at least three of them had kids who had mental breakdowns last year. Sorry they aren't mentally tough enough for you, but virtual classes, quarantine and complete isolation in hotel rooms (repeatedly), giving up normal college activities, including in person interaction and the ability to meet new people took its toll.

Human contact and interaction is not a luxury and it's not spoiled to long for it. It is a basic human need.

+1000 I accept why we had to do what we did last year, but my kid also had a breakdown last year. Now has a chance to have some kind iof college, at a campus that requires vaccines. We can do this.

[Anonymous]

I think we are losing perspective. Yesterday 5 students tested positive. 5, out of what 14,000? Meanwhile, yes everyone is sick, true statement, but 96+% of the people getting tested are negative. So that tells you that people are sick enough to get tested, because no the kids do not WANT to do it, but that the VAST majority just have some other bug.