Fight at Winston Churchill on First Day of School

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Anonymous wrote:Since SROs are no longer in schools, then what is MCPS doing to keep schools safe?

Restorative justice practices and more emphasis on mental health support.

Which is great. And absolutely needs to happen.

I just wish they hadn’t removed the SROs too. MoCo is the only county that removed them in Maryland, even though several others examined the issue in the wake of George Floyd’s murder.

What exactly would an SRO done? Pulled a gun?

Presence is deterrence. Nobody ever has to touch a gun. There is far more to the spectrum of police work than an arrest/use of force.

So we agree we don’t need police with guns in the schools.

No. What is needed is a zero tolerance policy for violence in school. Years ago people were expelled for violence. Now they're given a cookie and told to write a note to themselves telling them why they're awesome.

Actually years ago it was encouraged to just let them fight it out. Now we worry about every little skirmish and call it a crime.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since SROs are no longer in schools, then what is MCPS doing to keep schools safe?

Restorative justice practices and more emphasis on mental health support.

Which is great. And absolutely needs to happen.

I just wish they hadn’t removed the SROs too. MoCo is the only county that removed them in Maryland, even though several others examined the issue in the wake of George Floyd’s murder.

What exactly would an SRO done? Pulled a gun?

Presence is deterrence. Nobody ever has to touch a gun. There is far more to the spectrum of police work than an arrest/use of force.

So we agree we don’t need police with guns in the schools.

No. What is needed is a zero tolerance policy for violence in school. Years ago people were expelled for violence. Now they're given a cookie and told to write a note to themselves telling them why they're awesome.

There is a lot of truth to this.

I must admit I didn't feel this way until the Damascus broom incident. Some students are a danger to others and should be in a facility that can both educate them and ensure their behavior doesn't injure others. A high school with 1 or 2 thousand kids isn't the place for a student who is violent.

You are comparing take to a fist fight, think about that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since SROs are no longer in schools, then what is MCPS doing to keep schools safe?

Restorative justice practices and more emphasis on mental health support.

Which is great. And absolutely needs to happen.

I just wish they hadn’t removed the SROs too. MoCo is the only county that removed them in Maryland, even though several others examined the issue in the wake of George Floyd’s murder.

What exactly would an SRO done? Pulled a gun?

Presence is deterrence. Nobody ever has to touch a gun. There is far more to the spectrum of police work than an arrest/use of force.

So we agree we don’t need police with guns in the schools.

No. What is needed is a zero tolerance policy for violence in school. Years ago people were expelled for violence. Now they're given a cookie and told to write a note to themselves telling them why they're awesome.

There is a lot of truth to this.

I must admit I didn't feel this way until the Damascus broom incident. Some students are a danger to others and should be in a facility that can both educate them and ensure their behavior doesn't injure others. A high school with 1 or 2 thousand kids isn't the place for a student who is violent.

It’s called RICA. Did you even know that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since SROs are no longer in schools, then what is MCPS doing to keep schools safe?

Restorative justice practices and more emphasis on mental health support.

Which is great. And absolutely needs to happen.

I just wish they hadn’t removed the SROs too. MoCo is the only county that removed them in Maryland, even though several others examined the issue in the wake of George Floyd’s murder.

What exactly would an SRO done? Pulled a gun?

Presence is deterrence. Nobody ever has to touch a gun. There is far more to the spectrum of police work than an arrest/use of force.

So we agree we don’t need police with guns in the schools.

No. What is needed is a zero tolerance policy for violence in school. Years ago people were expelled for violence. Now they're given a cookie and told to write a note to themselves telling them why they're awesome.

There is a lot of truth to this.

I must admit I didn't feel this way until the Damascus broom incident. Some students are a danger to others and should be in a facility that can both educate them and ensure their behavior doesn't injure others. A high school with 1 or 2 thousand kids isn't the place for a student who is violent.

It’s called RICA. Did you even know that?

That was when you get in big criminal trouble. There used to be an in-between option -- Mark Twain school in Rockville -- but MCPS shut it down to big fanfare some years ago. The new strategy is to transfer the problem student to a new school. The ringleader in the Damascus rape case was on his 2nd or 3rd school at that point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since SROs are no longer in schools, then what is MCPS doing to keep schools safe?

Restorative justice practices and more emphasis on mental health support.

Which is great. And absolutely needs to happen.

I just wish they hadn’t removed the SROs too. MoCo is the only county that removed them in Maryland, even though several others examined the issue in the wake of George Floyd’s murder.

Churchill doesn’t apply Restorative Justice if both students are white. Central Office won’t even help with going down that avenue if the students are white. Check with the staff in the Restorative Justice Department.

As far as mental health support, who is providing that support? There’s nobody that has been designated for that role to support students at Churchill. The school doesn’t even have a school nurse on board at a time we are in a pandemic.

School security is mostly on the perimeter, checking entrances and exits. Other school staff should patrol the hallways more often.

School nurses are not mental health professionals. All schools have counselors and most have one social worker but they aren't there to provide mental health services and if your child needs mental health services you need to get it outside school.

Restorative Justice is absurd. Suspend the kids and make their parents pay for the damage. Kid behave this way as they are allowed to get away with it.

Actually most MCPS high schools do not have social workers. There are pupil personnel workers but they don't work in the school and mostly attend meetings (IEP meetings etc.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since SROs are no longer in schools, then what is MCPS doing to keep schools safe?

Restorative justice practices and more emphasis on mental health support.

Which is great. And absolutely needs to happen.

I just wish they hadn’t removed the SROs too. MoCo is the only county that removed them in Maryland, even though several others examined the issue in the wake of George Floyd’s murder.

What exactly would an SRO done? Pulled a gun?

Presence is deterrence. Nobody ever has to touch a gun. There is far more to the spectrum of police work than an arrest/use of force.

So we agree we don’t need police with guns in the schools.

No. What is needed is a zero tolerance policy for violence in school. Years ago people were expelled for violence. Now they're given a cookie and told to write a note to themselves telling them why they're awesome.

There is a lot of truth to this.

I must admit I didn't feel this way until the Damascus broom incident. Some students are a danger to others and should be in a facility that can both educate them and ensure their behavior doesn't injure others. A high school with 1 or 2 thousand kids isn't the place for a student who is violent.

It’s called RICA. Did you even know that?

That was when you get in big criminal trouble. There used to be an in-between option -- Mark Twain school in Rockville -- but MCPS shut it down to big fanfare some years ago. The new strategy is to transfer the problem student to a new school. The ringleader in the Damascus rape case was on his 2nd or 3rd school at that point.

So you don’t know about RICA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since SROs are no longer in schools, then what is MCPS doing to keep schools safe?

Restorative justice practices and more emphasis on mental health support.

Which is great. And absolutely needs to happen.

I just wish they hadn’t removed the SROs too. MoCo is the only county that removed them in Maryland, even though several others examined the issue in the wake of George Floyd’s murder.

What exactly would an SRO done? Pulled a gun?

Presence is deterrence. Nobody ever has to touch a gun. There is far more to the spectrum of police work than an arrest/use of force.

So we agree we don’t need police with guns in the schools.

No. What is needed is a zero tolerance policy for violence in school. Years ago people were expelled for violence. Now they're given a cookie and told to write a note to themselves telling them why they're awesome.

There is a lot of truth to this.

I must admit I didn't feel this way until the Damascus broom incident. Some students are a danger to others and should be in a facility that can both educate them and ensure their behavior doesn't injure others. A high school with 1 or 2 thousand kids isn't the place for a student who is violent.

It’s called RICA. Did you even know that?

That was when you get in big criminal trouble. There used to be an in-between option -- Mark Twain school in Rockville -- but MCPS shut it down to big fanfare some years ago. The new strategy is to transfer the problem student to a new school. The ringleader in the Damascus rape case was on his 2nd or 3rd school at that point.

So you don’t know about RICA.

No where near the capacity for all the students that need that level of support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since SROs are no longer in schools, then what is MCPS doing to keep schools safe?

Restorative justice practices and more emphasis on mental health support.

Which is great. And absolutely needs to happen.

I just wish they hadn’t removed the SROs too. MoCo is the only county that removed them in Maryland, even though several others examined the issue in the wake of George Floyd’s murder.

What exactly would an SRO done? Pulled a gun?

Presence is deterrence. Nobody ever has to touch a gun. There is far more to the spectrum of police work than an arrest/use of force.

So we agree we don’t need police with guns in the schools.

No. What is needed is a zero tolerance policy for violence in school. Years ago people were expelled for violence. Now they're given a cookie and told to write a note to themselves telling them why they're awesome.

There is a lot of truth to this.

I must admit I didn't feel this way until the Damascus broom incident. Some students are a danger to others and should be in a facility that can both educate them and ensure their behavior doesn't injure others. A high school with 1 or 2 thousand kids isn't the place for a student who is violent.

Broom incident? That makes it sound too benign. Just like the Rockvill HS case. Let’s call it what it was - Rape.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since SROs are no longer in schools, then what is MCPS doing to keep schools safe?

Restorative justice practices and more emphasis on mental health support.

Which is great. And absolutely needs to happen.

I just wish they hadn’t removed the SROs too. MoCo is the only county that removed them in Maryland, even though several others examined the issue in the wake of George Floyd’s murder.

What exactly would an SRO done? Pulled a gun?

Presence is deterrence. Nobody ever has to touch a gun. There is far more to the spectrum of police work than an arrest/use of force.

So we agree we don’t need police with guns in the schools.

No. What is needed is a zero tolerance policy for violence in school. Years ago people were expelled for violence. Now they're given a cookie and told to write a note to themselves telling them why they're awesome.

Yep. This.

And not only that, the victim will have to write a note saying why he incited the incident.

That’s what happened at our ES when a kid was violent. The rest of the class wrote the kid a note empathizing with the behavior. These were 11 year old fifth graders, so much different than 5 year olds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since SROs are no longer in schools, then what is MCPS doing to keep schools safe?

Restorative justice practices and more emphasis on mental health support.

Which is great. And absolutely needs to happen.

I just wish they hadn’t removed the SROs too. MoCo is the only county that removed them in Maryland, even though several others examined the issue in the wake of George Floyd’s murder.

What exactly would an SRO done? Pulled a gun?

Presence is deterrence. Nobody ever has to touch a gun. There is far more to the spectrum of police work than an arrest/use of force.

So we agree we don’t need police with guns in the schools.

No. What is needed is a zero tolerance policy for violence in school. Years ago people were expelled for violence. Now they're given a cookie and told to write a note to themselves telling them why they're awesome.

There is a lot of truth to this.

I must admit I didn't feel this way until the Damascus broom incident. Some students are a danger to others and should be in a facility that can both educate them and ensure their behavior doesn't injure others. A high school with 1 or 2 thousand kids isn't the place for a student who is violent.

Broom incident? That makes it sound too benign. Just like the Rockvill HS case. Let’s call it what it was - Rape.

Except the latter was proven to be a false accusation

[Anonymous]

Zero tolerance is the only way to ensure the safety of the 99% of children, and they are children, to be kept safe. School is not a stand in for parenting. Consequences matter. Public schools do not have the resources do counseling and home visits and extra staff to deal with kids who don’t care to learn. It is a sad state of affairs and I don’t have answers. But taking time and energy that should be focused on learning to deal with kids who have no respect for the school environment is not the answer. And our governmental leaders who advocate for “talk and learn” sent their kids to private.

[Anonymous]

This thread sounds like DCUM trolls trolling each other at this point …

[Anonymous]

Sometimes teenagers get in fights. Sheesh, sounds like nobody was seriously injured and admin was able to break it up easily. NBD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since SROs are no longer in schools, then what is MCPS doing to keep schools safe?

Restorative justice practices and more emphasis on mental health support.

Which is great. And absolutely needs to happen.

I just wish they hadn’t removed the SROs too. MoCo is the only county that removed them in Maryland, even though several others examined the issue in the wake of George Floyd’s murder.

What exactly would an SRO done? Pulled a gun?

Presence is deterrence. Nobody ever has to touch a gun. There is far more to the spectrum of police work than an arrest/use of force.

So we agree we don’t need police with guns in the schools.

No. What is needed is a zero tolerance policy for violence in school. Years ago people were expelled for violence. Now they're given a cookie and told to write a note to themselves telling them why they're awesome.

There is a lot of truth to this.

I must admit I didn't feel this way until the Damascus broom incident. Some students are a danger to others and should be in a facility that can both educate them and ensure their behavior doesn't injure others. A high school with 1 or 2 thousand kids isn't the place for a student who is violent.

Broom incident? That makes it sound too benign. Just like the Rockvill HS case. Let’s call it what it was - Rape.

Except the latter was proven to be a false accusation

LMAO. Not quite. The victim was a minor.

I guess you would also appreciate how MCPS is saying that the Damascus case also shouldn’t count as rape.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Zero tolerance is the only way to ensure the safety of the 99% of children, and they are children, to be kept safe. School is not a stand in for parenting. Consequences matter. Public schools do not have the resources do counseling and home visits and extra staff to deal with kids who don’t care to learn. It is a sad state of affairs and I don’t have answers. But taking time and energy that should be focused on learning to deal with kids who have no respect for the school environment is not the answer. And our governmental leaders who advocate for “talk and learn” sent their kids to private.

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