Fight at Winston Churchill on First Day of School

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since SROs are no longer in schools, then what is MCPS doing to keep schools safe?

Restorative justice practices and more emphasis on mental health support.

Which is great. And absolutely needs to happen.

I just wish they hadn’t removed the SROs too. MoCo is the only county that removed them in Maryland, even though several others examined the issue in the wake of George Floyd’s murder.

What exactly would an SRO done? Pulled a gun?

Presence is deterrence. Nobody ever has to touch a gun. There is far more to the spectrum of police work than an arrest/use of force.

And yet there were fights at my kid's high school with the SRO. I guess you could respond, But just think of how many more fights there would have been, if there hadn't been an SRO!

I don't know when it became standard to expect a police officer in each high school, but it wasn't always like that, and it doesn't have to be like that.

It was as part of the Clinton era community policing program which gave federal finds to high schools as a pilot program (among other grants to get cops out of their cars and back into communities). The goal was to prevent violence by est sloshing a more visible police presence in communities and to enable communities to establish bonds with officers that would lead to increased communication and trust on both sides.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good thing they removed the SROs (police) from schools this year. Not like we need them...

the high drug use at these schools goes hand in hand with gang activity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since SROs are no longer in schools, then what is MCPS doing to keep schools safe?

Restorative justice practices and more emphasis on mental health support.

Which is great. And absolutely needs to happen.

I just wish they hadn’t removed the SROs too. MoCo is the only county that removed them in Maryland, even though several others examined the issue in the wake of George Floyd’s murder.

What exactly would an SRO done? Pulled a gun?

Presence is deterrence. Nobody ever has to touch a gun. There is far more to the spectrum of police work than an arrest/use of force.

I remember the SRO at parkland ran away when the kids needed their help. I don't think they'd do much of anything aside from being a danger to kids.

[Anonymous]

Does Churchill have security guards? My DC is in another high school. There are security guards at the entrances, in the hallways, or everywhere. They are big guys who are every friendly but firm. Very few fight in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good thing they removed the SROs (police) from schools this year. Not like we need them...

If students stopped fighting because a principal simply screamed at them, then an armed police officer was not needed.

The presence of police provides crime deterrence.

As if.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does Churchill have security guards? My DC is in another high school. There are security guards at the entrances, in the hallways, or everywhere. They are big guys who are every friendly but firm. Very few fight in school.

Idk about Churchill specifically but Gabe Albernoz and Elrich decided to take School Resource Officers out of MCPS. They replaced them with social workers / Community Engagement Officers.

If there is an issue, the Principal would call 911 and they would send a Community Engagement Officer.

I agree that having SROs actually at the schools is a deterrent. It was a terrible idea for the County government to take SROs out of school. Combine that with the stress of Covid and will see more issues this year in schools.

Pretty much every social worker I know is not interested in breaking up fights between high school boys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does Churchill have security guards? My DC is in another high school. There are security guards at the entrances, in the hallways, or everywhere. They are big guys who are every friendly but firm. Very few fight in school.

Idk about Churchill specifically but Gabe Albernoz and Elrich decided to take School Resource Officers out of MCPS. They replaced them with social workers / Community Engagement Officers.

If there is an issue, the Principal would call 911 and they would send a Community Engagement Officer.

I agree that having SROs actually at the schools is a deterrent. It was a terrible idea for the County government to take SROs out of school. Combine that with the stress of Covid and will see more issues this year in schools.

Pretty much every social worker I know is not interested in breaking up fights between high school boys.

I disagree. Maybe it's just schools like Churchill that need this, but most schools it doesn't really help. When I was a kid in MCPS we didn't have it and things were fine.

[Anonymous]

I am imagining the letter home now:

Dear Most Esteemed Churchill Community:

On Monday, August 30th a small altercation broke out between two students. A trophy case demonstrating our greatness was destroyed in the course of events. This involved a very small number of students and happily nobody was seriously injured.

Please remind your students that they are the future titans of America and that fighting can lead to notations on transcripts and social media records.

This could, in-fact harm your students' chances at elite college admittance. Do you want to have to tell your friends that your student is attending Montgomery College? We don't want to have this published in the yearly listing of Bethesda Magazine's "Where do students in mcps go to college". It's an embarrassment for us all, so let's just keep it together so we can remain the elite.

Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good thing they removed the SROs (police) from schools this year. Not like we need them...

If students stopped fighting because a principal simply screamed at them, then an armed police officer was not needed.

The presence of police provides crime deterrence.

That’s hilarious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good thing they removed the SROs (police) from schools this year. Not like we need them...

the high drug use at these schools goes hand in hand with gang activity

The gang selling drugs at Churchill are DCUM’s scions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since SROs are no longer in schools, then what is MCPS doing to keep schools safe?

Restorative justice practices and more emphasis on mental health support.

Which is great. And absolutely needs to happen.

I just wish they hadn’t removed the SROs too. MoCo is the only county that removed them in Maryland, even though several others examined the issue in the wake of George Floyd’s murder.

What exactly would an SRO done? Pulled a gun?

Presence is deterrence. Nobody ever has to touch a gun. There is far more to the spectrum of police work than an arrest/use of force.

And yet there were fights at my kid's high school with the SRO. I guess you could respond, But just think of how many more fights there would have been, if there hadn't been an SRO!

I don't know when it became standard to expect a police officer in each high school, but it wasn't always like that, and it doesn't have to be like that.

Maybe there were fewer fights because there was an SRO present. Now there may be more. The data at the end of the year will tell us the story of how well or how badly Elrich's SRO removal works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good thing they removed the SROs (police) from schools this year. Not like we need them...

If students stopped fighting because a principal simply screamed at them, then an armed police officer was not needed.

The presence of police provides crime deterrence.

That’s hilarious.

Read the actual study linked in the article. Ask yourself why violent crime is going up in large cities/jurisdictions across the nation. Juvenile crime trends have historically mirrored adult crime trends.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/04/20/988769793/when-you-add-more-police-to-a-city-what-happens

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does Churchill have security guards? My DC is in another high school. There are security guards at the entrances, in the hallways, or everywhere. They are big guys who are every friendly but firm. Very few fight in school.

Idk about Churchill specifically but Gabe Albernoz and Elrich decided to take School Resource Officers out of MCPS. They replaced them with social workers / Community Engagement Officers.

If there is an issue, the Principal would call 911 and they would send a Community Engagement Officer.

I agree that having SROs actually at the schools is a deterrent. It was a terrible idea for the County government to take SROs out of school. Combine that with the stress of Covid and will see more issues this year in schools.

Pretty much every social worker I know is not interested in breaking up fights between high school boys.

? It was definitely Elrich. But it was Jawando and Rice who were the nail on the SRO coffin. Albornoz didn't really have anything to do with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does Churchill have security guards? My DC is in another high school. There are security guards at the entrances, in the hallways, or everywhere. They are big guys who are every friendly but firm. Very few fight in school.

Idk about Churchill specifically but Gabe Albernoz and Elrich decided to take School Resource Officers out of MCPS. They replaced them with social workers / Community Engagement Officers.

If there is an issue, the Principal would call 911 and they would send a Community Engagement Officer.

I agree that having SROs actually at the schools is a deterrent. It was a terrible idea for the County government to take SROs out of school. Combine that with the stress of Covid and will see more issues this year in schools.

Pretty much every social worker I know is not interested in breaking up fights between high school boys.

? It was definitely Elrich. But it was Jawando and Rice who were the nail on the SRO coffin. Albornoz didn't really have anything to do with it.

I'll make sure to vote for all of them in the next election.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since SROs are no longer in schools, then what is MCPS doing to keep schools safe?

Restorative justice practices and more emphasis on mental health support.

Which is great. And absolutely needs to happen.

I just wish they hadn’t removed the SROs too. MoCo is the only county that removed them in Maryland, even though several others examined the issue in the wake of George Floyd’s murder.

Churchill doesn’t apply Restorative Justice if both students are white. Central Office won’t even help with going down that avenue if the students are white. Check with the staff in the Restorative Justice Department.

As far as mental health support, who is providing that support? There’s nobody that has been designated for that role to support students at Churchill. The school doesn’t even have a school nurse on board at a time we are in a pandemic.

School security is mostly on the perimeter, checking entrances and exits. Other school staff should patrol the hallways more often.