GuHetero women should stay out of gay spaces?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Major false equivalence here.

Trans women utilize female restrooms because the trans woman identify as women (no commentary offered in whether they are or aren’t; it’s besides the point in this case).

Bachelorette parties don’t go to gay bars because they identify as gay.

Think about that for a moment. So, why do they go?

Maybe they go because they do not want attention from straight men. They feel safe that gay men will not hit on them. They like the decor, food, drink better than in a straight bar. They go because they just want to enjoy themselves.

In the end, the bar owners decide that they want the bachelorette party clients in their establishment because they want to make money.

[Anonymous]

Discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Major false equivalence here.

Trans women utilize female restrooms because the trans woman identify as women (no commentary offered in whether they are or aren’t; it’s besides the point in this case).

Bachelorette parties don’t go to gay bars because they identify as gay.

Think about that for a moment. So, why do they go?

Maybe they go because they do not want attention from straight men. They feel safe that gay men will not hit on them. They like the decor, food, drink better than in a straight bar. They go because they just want to enjoy themselves.

In the end, the bar owners decide that they want the bachelorette party clients in their establishment because they want to make money.

That fantasy world would be great. Post it in the knot do bachelorette parties know that is why they are there instead of acting like “the gays” are their play toys or somebody to ogle for the night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you know these female-bodied people don’t identify as men? This thread is premised on a transphobic assumption.

+1. Why are people here assuming one can determine gender based on appearance?

Or sex!

Because I’m a guest invited to these god awful events.

[Anonymous]

I get it, OP. I mean, All the work women have done over the centuries to transform public bathrooms into safe spaces where they can meet and talk to other people like them without fear of being harassed attacked or insulted.

The public bathroom is where I always go when I feel threatened or scared or lonely or just want to reach out to others who get what my daily life is like. And the drinks and music in public bathroom these days. Chef's kiss. Am I right?

[Anonymous]

Do straight men go to lesbian bars for bachelor parties?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Major false equivalence here.

Trans women utilize female restrooms because the trans woman identify as women (no commentary offered in whether they are or aren’t; it’s besides the point in this case).

Bachelorette parties don’t go to gay bars because they identify as gay.

Think about that for a moment. So, why do they go?

Maybe they go because they do not want attention from straight men. They feel safe that gay men will not hit on them. They like the decor, food, drink better than in a straight bar. They go because they just want to enjoy themselves.

In the end, the bar owners decide that they want the bachelorette party clients in their establishment because they want to make money.

That fantasy world would be great. Post it in the knot do bachelorette parties know that is why they are there instead of acting like “the gays” are their play toys or somebody to ogle for the night.

Exactly. Bachelorette parties go to gay bars for tourism, to view the exotic wildlife, not because it's "safe" from those big, bad straight men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do straight men go to lesbian bars for bachelor parties?

As a bi guy, I would find that much more exciting than a sports bar.

[Anonymous]

This really isn't about LGBTQ spaces. The LBT and Q are generally pushed out of these spaces and don't have their own equivalent safe spaces.

[Anonymous]

Straight people are welcome to join their gay friends at the gay bar. But a large gaggle of all straight women is obnoxious. I’m lesbian and have encountered straight women who are uncomfortable around me in my own community because they think the gay bar is a zoo for them to ogle hot gay men only. Get outta here!

Not sure what any of this has to do with trans women and bathrooms, but OP — you do know trans and gay people arent the same? LGB don’t agree with everything the T community does.

[Anonymous]

If it was a regular group of straight women out for a good time there would probably be no issue. The problem is that bachelorette parties are obnoxious, juvenile, loud, and often involve penis accessories which is offensive AF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Major false equivalence here.

Trans women utilize female restrooms because the trans woman identify as women (no commentary offered in whether they are or aren’t; it’s besides the point in this case).

Bachelorette parties don’t go to gay bars because they identify as gay.

Think about that for a moment. So, why do they go?

Maybe they go because they do not want attention from straight men. They feel safe that gay men will not hit on them. They like the decor, food, drink better than in a straight bar. They go because they just want to enjoy themselves.

In the end, the bar owners decide that they want the bachelorette party clients in their establishment because they want to make money.

That fantasy world would be great. Post it in the knot do bachelorette parties know that is why they are there instead of acting like “the gays” are their play toys or somebody to ogle for the night.

Exactly. Bachelorette parties go to gay bars for tourism, to view the exotic wildlife, not because it's "safe" from those big, bad straight men.

Nope, they go because they won’t get harassed. I hate bachelorette parties and wouldn’t do this but there is such a relief as a straight woman to be in a safer space. I can’t dance in a straight bar without fighting off creeps all night and watching my drink like a hawk. I also am more mindful of safety when I leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I joined the Facebook page Pantsuit Nation after the Women’s March in 2016. But, I am continuously surprised by all the posts by gay men using that community as a safe space to post about their struggles and accomplishments. I never do, but am always tempted to point out on those posts that gay men don’t need to wear pantsuits. They can just wear regular suits and they are taking up space in a community founded as a place for women to talk to other women about their experiences.

Herero women have a history of seeking safety in LGBTQ spaces, but LGBTQ people also have a history of seeking a safe space in communities organized for women. I understand it, but it’s important to remember that it cuts both ways.

Yeah, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

[Anonymous]

Straight men have figured out that straight women have started using gay bars as their playground. Now they’ve come to the bars and ruined it for actually gay people (especially lesbians)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Major false equivalence here.

Trans women utilize female restrooms because the trans woman identify as women (no commentary offered in whether they are or aren’t; it’s besides the point in this case).

Bachelorette parties don’t go to gay bars because they identify as gay.

Think about that for a moment. So, why do they go?

Maybe they go because they do not want attention from straight men. They feel safe that gay men will not hit on them. They like the decor, food, drink better than in a straight bar. They go because they just want to enjoy themselves.

In the end, the bar owners decide that they want the bachelorette party clients in their establishment because they want to make money.

That’s why I go to a gay bar with my gay friend. It’s not why bachelorette parties go, or they wouldn’t be so obnoxious and objectifying of gay men. But your last sentence is right, because even obnoxious customers are paying customers, and those groups have big tabs. It’s hard to turn down money.